[Sly Fox]

Sheesh, I was afraid we'd go down that rabbit hole when I mentioned the lyrics. Let's set aside labels and simply exercise common sense. If lyrics are contradictory to the mission of the school then let's show some discretion. Please re-read my first post in this thread. I don't have a problem with secular music being played ... just certain songs where the lyrics make me cringe in a venue with Liberty name written on the building.

PS - Did the Georgia Satellites' "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" get weeded out?

[TDDance234]

AC/DC? Really? I can understand not wanting songs with profanity and whatnot, but I can't understand the fear of classic rock. If you've personally been led astray by AC/DC I apologize. I just can't imagine it affecting anyone's walk with Christ.

I still remember at Elon several years ago, they played "Hells Bells" when we came out on the field. It was real classy.

[Liberty22]

SuperJon, I created this username before the JMU game (not merely to comment about the song tonight, tonight), and I have been following this board for 4-5 years. I am a recent graduate of Liberty University. I think I have a right to express my concern about the music being played at LU sporting events. It does not matter to me whether one person or ten people approved of a particluar song that was played. When there is quality, upbeat Christian music available as Chippy and Jack Sparrow81 have noted, I see no reason why we should be playing songs with questionable lyrics. Royal Tailor, TobyMac, Needtobreathe, The Afters, and Third Day are some more examples of quality, upbeat Christian music.
Jbock, just because kids listen to music like this (and probably worse) does not mean we should play it at sporting events. (On a side note, many of our students do not listen to the type of music that was played at the football game, they prefer Christian music.) Some kids at our school party on the weekends (have sex, drink alcohol, and do drugs). Should we legalize these activities because that is what kids do these days? No! As a Christian university, Liberty should not blend in with the world, it should be set apart.

P.S. I have no problem with the cha cha slide.

Ok, first of all. Christian music is the only thing i listen to in my car. With that said, this is ridiculous. Just because music isn't "christian" doesn't mean we shouldn't play it at events. To suggest that we should only play christian music to be set apart is pretty silly. Are you saying that a christian who listens to non-christian music isn't a "good" christian? There are plenty of songs that are non christian that have good beats and make good sporting event songs and vice versa I get it but the argument of sex, alcohol and drugs??? Are you really comparing that to listening to non chrsitan music? If so, then I think you have lost all credibility.

[ToTheLeft]

Yeah, let's play "Come Together" by Third Day when the team comes out of the tunnel! That'll get EVERYONE pumped up! (/sarcasm)

And if you're offended by "Tonight, Tonight" by Hot Chelle Rae... I really don't know what to tell you. Is it because his girlfriend cheated on him? Or because they did something illegal like dancing on the Hollywood sign?

Liberty isn't a convent. Not sure what else I can say...

The only time I ever heard something that I felt uncomfortable with was at a baseball game, where they played a Brad Paisley song where he says "da**" a couple of times. But music is something that never makes all Christians happy. Churches split over it, and I'm sure it's those same people who show up here to complain about the couple of 1% questionable songs we play at LU events.

[Sly Fox]

Churches split over it, and I'm sure it's those same people who show up here to complain about the couple of 1% questionable songs we play at LU events.

Are you looking at me?

[ALUmnus]

This is going to be a crazy concept for some of you guys. Ready? There's no such thing as Christian music. There's no such thing as secular music. There is only music. Some music is offensive to the gospel, but the vast, vast majority is not. Moralism is so 20th century.

Goodness, I was waiting for someone to trudge this one out. It's a label. A descriptive word, sometimes called an adjective. So yes, there is Christian music.

[ToTheLeft]

Churches split over it, and I'm sure it's those same people who show up here to complain about the couple of 1% questionable songs we play at LU events.

Are you looking at me?

I think your point is more reasonable. I don't agree, but it's more reasonable. Specific concerns about specific songs is different then "WHY ARE WE PLAYING ALL THESE HEATHEN SONGS!?!?!?!"

[Rooster Cogburn]

However, there ARE tons of small children from Christian families at the games who are being exposed to songs they and their parents don't listen to. I am caught a little in the middle here. I am cool with music that is not technically Christian as long as the lyrics don't spit in the face of the Christian moral view. However, I believe that there is so much good music on Christian lables that we should not have to go to much other music. I even made a list on here at some point. No I'm not talking Third Day. TFK, Red, Skillet, FF5, Hawk Nelson, Pillar, Switchfoot, FireFlight, Etc.

If you don't believe me, watch football on ESPN, CBS or NBC. You will hear Switchfoot, TFK, Skillet and others. If they think it's good, I think we can use it.

I even saw TFK on some NHL games this year.

[Schfourteenteen]

InTheRed.

[Liberty22]

I am caught a little in the middle here. I am cool with music that is not technically Christian as long as the lyrics don't spit in the face of the Christian moral view.

If any songs were being played at Liberty that "spit in the face of the christian moral view" then there would be an argument, but Liberty does not play songs that do that...

[jbock13]

AC/DC? Really? I can understand not wanting songs with profanity and whatnot, but I can't understand the fear of classic rock. If you've personally been led astray by AC/DC I apologize. I just can't imagine it affecting anyone's walk with Christ.

Urgh... BYD you're just saying that to irritate me. I LOVE classic rock. I just used them as one example. Give me a break. I'm sorry that you like AC/DC and thus have been offended.

[LCA&LU Mom]

Churches split over it, and I'm sure it's those same people who show up here to complain about the couple of 1% questionable songs we play at LU events.

Are you looking at me?

I think your point is more reasonable. I don't agree, but it's more reasonable. Specific concerns about specific songs is different then "WHY ARE WE PLAYING ALL THESE HEATHEN SONGS!?!?!?!"

A "older" lady sitting next to me commented "Oh, my goodness, I bet Dr. Falwell would roll over in his grave if he heard this awful music." I said, "Doubtful. But if he could see this game....."

[jbock13]

Churches split over it, and I'm sure it's those same people who show up here to complain about the couple of 1% questionable songs we play at LU events.

Are you looking at me?

Sly, if I may assure you, we're not mad at you. You raise good points for your argument. Others have come on here and hijacked the debate to the point where only The Gaithers on Homecoming would be acceptable football music.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I am caught a little in the middle here. I am cool with music that is not technically Christian as long as the lyrics don't spit in the face of the Christian moral view.

If any songs were being played at Liberty that "spit in the face of the christian moral view" then there would be an argument, but Liberty does not play songs that do that...

I didn't say they did. I said I'm OK with it unless it does the spit thing. And I said I was torn and that there is plenty of good "Christian" music.

[jbock13]

Perfect example, we play "brown eyed girl" during baseball games. Which states "Making love in the green grass, behind the stadium with you." This line was played over the sound system.

But yet, none of you "morality" warriors raised anything about this?

[LU Grad 11]

The fact of the matter, the music is probably mostly for the students. So that's why they play what they play. And whether some like it or not, this is what kids listen to these days. And probably worse.

This is what I was countering, jbock. Maybe I misinterpreted you, if so I apologize. But it seemed like you were saying that the students agreed with the music that was played Saturday night, and because the students listen to such music it makes it acceptable. I disagree with that logic as I mentioned in my previous post.

I do not have a problem with secular music that does not run counter to the mission of Liberty University. I agree Liberty 22, there are good secular songs that can be played at sporting events. However, some of the songs that were played had questionable lyrics. I was just trying to point that out. (I would have mentioned something about the lyrics whether you mentioned it or not, Sly. It is an issue that needs to be addressed.)

By playing Christian music, Liberty would not be infringing what we believe on others. After all, Liberty is a Christian university. People should be aware of that before they step on campus.

Liberty22, I was just extending jbock's logic to other areas. I know that listening to non Christian music is different than sex, alcohol, and drugs. However, even in music there is a line that must be drawn.

TTL, the connotations of Tonight, Tonight relate to partying and drinking. How else would you not know how you got a tattoo? The vibe of the song is it doesn't matter let's just party. I do not agree with this mindset. http://www.lyricinterpretations.com/Hot ... ht-Tonight

Rooster, right on. Many parents and children that attend the games would not even consider listening to songs like Tonight, Tonight on the radio. Why should they be subjected to it at a Christian university football game?

P.S. What's up with all the ad hominems? Who said anything about the Gaithers?

[jbock13]

Yep, not what I meant LU Grad, but it's okay. I understand in social media it's okay to get wires crossed. I do it all the time

I look at this way. If you want to say Guns N' Roses is a band that you feel shouldn't be played, okay, I can agree to that. But if you want to say that I can't play "Sweet Child O'Mine" just because of who sang it, then that's an issue with me because it's not bad song.

And the Gaithers comment comes from those who I knew in my old church who thought that even Spirit FM was too rocky for them. Yes, even Spirit FM. Not that I am accusing you of that.

[BJWilliams]

LU Grad, Im sorry but as someone who has been to WAY more football games here than you (and a lot of other people on this board except probably TTL and SJ), I would rather hear something like this:

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played at football games (and there are clean versions of songs like that out there dontcha know) than hearing 47 strains of Victory in Jesus, Amazing Grace or any other number of no doubt wonderful songs that frankly arent suited for football games (although the band if Im not mistaken actually did play Victory in Jesus before the fight song was written).

[jbock13]

The Baptist side won't be happy until we change the fight song to "Just as I am" or "Trust and Obey"

Oh and for the record, I'm baptist.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I wish people would actually read what is written and not just lump everything into a sweeping generalization that lumps the whole home side together. I for one go to and love the new TR630 Sunday night service, so I am definately not asking for hymns. It is true that things are totally different at LU than they were when I was there, but I'm OK with most of it. I wish I didn't have to wear ties to class. I for one am OK with a little of every kind of music. I just think there is sooo much good music with good lyrics, that we shouldn't need to touch the questionable stuff.

[SuperJon]

Rooster, there are good songs by those bands but people don't know them. The point of playing some of these is the atmosphere and feeling of 8000 people singing along together. That's why Hey Baby (a song everyone loves that is from a movie based around an illegal abortion if we're getting technical) is so popular.

Another thing many here don't know is that songs can't be edited. We won't play a "clean" version of a song. If we have to edit it then it doesn't get played.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Why wouldn't 8000 students at a Christian University know the bands/ songs I named? Other than that I agree with you.

[SuperJon]

Why wouldn't 8000 students at a Christian University know the bands/ songs I named? Other than that I agree with you.

Because most people don't listen to them.

I could tell you maybe one or two songs by Skillet or Switchfoot. I couldn't name a single song by Red. I may be able to tell the music/vocals of Thousand Foot Krutch. And I work in a church. I bet you most of my students couldn't tell you that either.

They watch Glee though.

They listen to the radio.

They know the classics.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Interesting. I was a small group youth leader for years and years and have a teenage son and it's all they listen too (the stuff I named).

[flamesfan30]

this is off topic but i felt like pointing it out.
can we please make dark horses by switchfoot the theme for our team this year?
Hey, you can't count us out
We've been running up against the crowd
Yeah, we are the Dark Horses
We're singing...
Wait! It's not over now
We've been down but we've never been out
Yeah, we're the Dark Horses

i cant think of another song that describes our team better than that right now.
also ESPN(!) is streaming their whole album here :http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/ ... id=6944961

btw i find this whole argument ridiculous. and yes, skillet, anberlin and thousand foot krutch would be appreicated, rather than some of the older songs none of us know.the two songs that have been brought up as questionable (tonight and dont stop believin'), are the only songs that actually get all 8,000 of us to sing along too. but honestly, im just glad we get music even played at our games. the people who do it do a good job.