[4everfsu]

So Texas A&M said they did not sending in papers to leave.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ter-big-12

[jcmanson]

We want whatever will cause the CUSA, MAC and SunBelt to add teams. Whether it’s them losing teams to BCS conferences or them simply wanting to get larger.

I think this is most likely to happen if the SEC goes to 16 while taking 2-3 ACC teams. Then the ACC would have to take 2-3 teams just to get back to 12. Hopefully the ACC would then go to 16. The ACC would be looking at Big East and CUSA teams. Then maybe the Big East will pick off some more from the CUSA.

I’m not sure if the Big XII will have much impact on us one way or the other.

[Sly Fox]

If the Big XII collapses, it could open the door for a Super-Super Conference as the super powers from several leagues band together to create their own college football championship. That would be bad news for all of us. Even without A&M, the Big XII currently is stronger in football than everyone outside of the SEC and in hoops can make an argument for the best (seriously, take a look at the alignment after the dead weight up north dropped out).

[ATrain]

Sly continuing to drink the orange flavored kool-aid

[lynchburgwildcats]

The SEC presidents have a gentlemen's deal not to add more in state schools, as Manson mentioned. Dan Patrick says his source continually mentions VA Tech as the 14th team. But as Sly mentioned, UNC and Missouri are real possibilities as well.

UNC would be moronic to leave the ACC for the SEC. ACC is a perfect fit academically and athletically. UNC would be without a conference for a ton of their teams, some of which happen to be really good. Plus it's obviously not going to make their football team any better, and the whole Duke rivalry gets all screwed up which you know is kind of important.

[From the class of 09]

Now A&M has really told the BIG 12 they are gone as of next summer.

[jcmanson]

Now A&M has really told the BIG 12 they are gone as of next summer.

really? as in really, really?

[From the class of 09]

Now A&M has really told the BIG 12 they are gone as of next summer.

really? as in really, really?

That's what the WWL is reporting again...I figure they are probably right if they are reporting it for the 2nd time in 3 day

[logic]

AM to the Big12 for sure.


Now, how does the effect Liberty?


SEC takes VaTech, ACC takes....???? Figure it will be a Big East or CUSA school...CUSA takes?

This is why I was a bit jealous of App State being larger and more "ready to go" than we are right now - CUSA could be calling them within a year asking them to move up.

Let us hear some serious discussion of how this would get us to the FBS level. Where would we go and how? What would have to happen?

Any thoughts Sly? Rogers? Manson? Purple Haize? JLFJR?

[ALUmnus]

I feel so left out, so unwanted.

[jcmanson]

I saw this morning that the Big XII is potentially looking at Louisville and Rutgers. So, between the ACC, Big XII and SEC, Big East football could be decimated.

Let's think about this. The Big XII is at 9 once aTm leaves, so they will need 3 schools.

SEC will likely go to 16, that's 3 schools.

That's 6 spots taken from the ACC and Big East who will likely pull from the CUSA/FCS ranks.

So you could see as many as 6 schools pulled up from lower tier FBS (MAC/Sun Belt) or FCS to the CUSA level. Would we be one of the 6?

Teams wanting to make the jump:
Villanova
JMU
ODU
Georgia State
Charlotte
Liberty
Jacksonville State
App State

I'm not sure if 6 spots is enough for us. I think we need the ACC and/or Big 10 to go to 16 spots as well. That would be another 4 spots coming available.

However, this could get us in the CAA if our admin wants to accept an invitation.

[ALUmnus]

If 1A evolves to these superconferences, do we want to move up? I don't see the point anymore.

I guess it would help our other sports, but football?

[PAmedic]

If 1A evolves to these superconferences, do we want to move up? I don't see the point anymore.

I guess it would help our other sports, but football?

that was my point in another thread. We'd essentially be 3rd tier AGAIN.

SLY set me straight tho

I'll find his answer and link it.

[PAmedic]

this was the conversation over here: http://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtop ... 2&p=353294

starting to wonder- when we DO move up, will it be just in time for the BCS schools to break off and make yet another higher level, essentially putting us BACK in the second tier?

lotsa time and money spent for no appreciable gain in that scenario

PAmedic - In truth, we are really 3rd tier right now:

• 1st - BCS League
  2nd - Non-BCS FBS Leagues
  3rd - FCS

Actually we might even be considered 4th tier. Even if the BCS leagues step away from the NCAA to run their own deal like they did with CFA, we would be in a much better position in 2nd Tier.

[Purple Haize]

All of this really intrigues me.



I really think it's only a matter of time before there's 4 super conferences - the SEC, PAC16, ACC, and Big 10/16.

I seem to remember an esteemed professor in the SMGT Dept predicting something similar. Instead it was one Super Conf.(football only) with 4 divisions. This would then lead into a nice.....wait for it.... Championship tournament.

[ATrain]

OU now acknowledging it is receiving overtures from other conferences:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... onferences

Could the SEC be the cause of the ultimate collapse of the Big 12 if they decide to go to 16? I'm not sure OU can leave OSU behind.

[TDDance234]

OU and OSU really only have the former Pac-10, yes? Geographically, the rest of the conferences don't make any sense.

[ALUmnus]

Geography is being thrown out the window. For a large program in a major conference, it just doesn't matter as much as it used to.

[ATrain]

Apparently talk of a PAC-16 is returning w/ OU, OSU, Texas and Texas Tech being the 4 schools added:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ource-says

A&M is all but gone to the SEC, would the SEC take Mizzou to get to 14? Would the SEC stop at 14?

What happens to Kansas, KSU, Iowa State and Baylor?

Oh the fun of spectulating...why couldn't this drama have occurred during the boredom of summer????

[Sly Fox]

The Pac-16 scenario is the only way I see Texas & Oklahoma (who incidentally are much bigger rivals than either with their primary in-state competitors) leaving the Big XII. But it is a distinct possibility. Of course, so is standing pat and adding one more team such as BYU.

If the Texas-OU exodus were to happen, that would spur Mizzou to accept an SEC invitation. The Big XII also rans would have some hard choices. Do they stick together and invite in some other regional schools such as Houston, Rice, SMU and Tulsa to form a decent mid-level league? If so, that throws the C-USA wide open for expansion.

Kansas & K-State are bound by legislative rule that they must stay in the same conference. So they would be a package deal for any other league which frankly hurts the Jayhawks' value. But perhaps they might be attractive to the Mountain West. Both have awesome hoops programs. But as we have witnessed in the past two years of realignment, that really doesn't carry the weight it once did.

Under any scenario that sees the Big XII come apart at the seams, Baylor & Iowa State are completely hosed. They have nothing to offer any solid leagues. Both have fringe alumni bases and deliver no TV markets. That's a recipe for disaster. They could remain the standard bearers for a re-worked Big XII as mentioned above or they would simply pray that the Mountain West sees enough value to avoid falling down to the C-USA level. Frankly I believe the Big XII will find a way to keep something together to help create a landing zone for the better Middle American mid-majors.

[Purple Haize]

Sly good analysis. I can see however The Big (we once only had ) 10 scooping up Kansas K state Mizzo and Iowa St. They all make sense if the Big "Mid West" wants to stay viable. Also with the addition of Nebraska already it sets precedence. Of course I'd also like to see WVU there as well but that's another topic!

[ATrain]

Actually Sly, KU is not legally bound to KSU...there's just political pressure there (as w/ VT and UVA: see ACC expansion first half of the 00's).

http://m.si.com/news/archive/archive/de ... EC.cnnsi1b

[Sly Fox]

I am hearing that the UT/OU/OSU/TT bolt to the Pac-12/16 is being held up while the TV package problem is worked out. Ironically it is the Longhorn Network that could save the Big XII just as it supposedly was destroying it.

I'm still having a hard time believing that a 20-team Big East makes any sense. But it could happen if the Big XII falls apart.

Baylor & Iowa State will have to start eating some major humble pie after the way they have looked down their noses at surrounding schools over the years.

[logic]

After watching the NCstate game, I believe we're ready for the next level. Imagine that game with us having 20 more scholarship players and the added benefit of recruiting players to an FBS program. Let's face it, very few top recruits want to play FCS. We're ready for the bigtime, I say bring it on.

IMHO we could compete in CUSA right away.

[rueful]

SEC unanimously votes to accept TAMU

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... elays-move