[LUconn]

What in the world. I have to assume what they're standing on is not technically LU campus right? No way LU lets these guys on their property right? Among the countless problems I have with what they're doing, I don't exactly appreciate my daughter seeing pictures of aborted babies on the way to kindergarten. Get these guys out of here.

[jbock13]

I agree. All these people are doing is preaching to the choir. And further dividing Lynchburg and giving us a bad name. Just because we are pro-life, doesn't mean we should go rub it in everybody's face.

When we should share our views to those who need it are when the situation arises that a young woman is considering an abortion. That's the time to help these people choose life. Not to go scaring everybody.

[flamehunter]

According to the news this morning, LU would not let them on campus because of the photos. Apparently they are now supposed to be on public property.

[jbock13]

Are these the same folks who flew that stupid plane around during the Chucky South game last year?

[Kolzilla41]

Are these the same folks who flew that stupid plane around during the Chucky South game last year?

Yes

[jbock13]

Figures. I mean you'd think Planned Parenthood would come bother us. But no. These goofs.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Dropping off the kids at school this AM and my daughter says hey dad what in the world is that. I look and it is a huge box truck covered with these very graphic images. I had her and the others look away, but it was on the main road right in fronot of the school for hundreds of kids to see. My daughter was very upset and asking a ton of questions. The funny thing is they promised the school in advance they would avoid the school during school hours. FAIL!

[flamehunter]

They are going to Radford later this week. They also have a truck driving around town with the images on its side panels. They interviewed the driver and he said he gets flipped off 5X more than thumbs up from other drivers. Same truck you saw RC.

[jbock13]

They interviewed the driver and he said he gets flipped off 5X more than thumbs up from other drivers.

Good.

[LUconn]

It's ridiculous that you think that something so gory is ok to show to elementary school children on their way to school, just because it exists. There is also 100% chance that LU students/staff who have had abortions, and since have been saved are having this rubbed in their face. So yeah, how dare they.

[Kolzilla41]

Yeah how dare they force people to see the reality of the holocaust going on around us. It's so much easier to deal with when we don't have to think about it.

And these jokers didn't even know about the Godparent Home. They are pretty ignorant to drive by LCA at 8:15 in the morning with kid's crossing, going to school.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Yeah how dare they force people to see the reality of the holocaust going on around us. It's so much easier to deal with when we don't have to think about it.

That is such an ignorant statement. You don't have kids do you? I face the horror of our depraved world everyday. I am WELL aware of it and I pray for it EVERY day. But NOONE should shove it in my little girl's face or her little brother for that matter. the 2 older ones are already jaded enough that they were much more equipped to handle it. I am letting my kids be kids for a while. The rest of the world wants kids to be adults by 5, but not me.

So, by your logic, it's a good thing that my little daughter gets to carry around a bloody picture of a severed baby head and hands all day long???

Ridiculous.

[jbock13]

BYD, the point is, these nuts come to a school who I'd venture to say, 99% of us or anti-abortion.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't want any kid seeing grusome pictures the way they show them. This is no different than the Planned Parenthood people coming in and explaining (the process of life, and everything you need to do to begin one) to 6 year olds (and if you think it isn't happening, it did in Roanoke city schools).

I hate these groups because they believe they have some self-rightous commandment from God. God wouldn't want this. God would want all of us to help those in this situation by talking about the sacred gift of life. Not screaming and scaring people like these nuts are.

[jbock13]

I guess the reason I stress what I stress is because, if you've ever been in this situation with a friend who's considering an abortion, you start to see the impact that not judging or scaring the woman is the most important thing. I could have told her she was going to hell for killing a child. But instead, I chose to help her see that life was gift, although it was given through unfortunate circumstance. I told her God wasn't done with her life. It would be difficult, but that God would help her through it all if He put her faith in her. Happy to say, she gave birth last week.

Also, these groups are exactly the reason I walked away from the church in my younger years. Now I see the error of my ways, and I'm back in church. Almost all people know the Westboro Baptist Church is not truly Christian, let alone Baptist. But still there was much ignorance I grew up around (for example, one church I went to openly wished that gay people would die). But thankful I've found a good church where the Gospel is preached, and ignorance is not passed for logical discussion.

I think Dr. Wheeler put it this way. Perhaps it was someone else but he said "Love without laws is liberalism. Laws without love is legalism." This is the main philosophy that guides my life.

So BYD, I can agree to disagree with you, I just thought it was worth explaining my reactions to these sorts of groups.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Call it sanatized or what ever you want. These people are the reason we have such a hard time reaching the world for Christ. Jonathan Falwell says it best, before hearts can be changed we must earn the right to be heard or "offer a cup of cold water in Jesus name". These people do nothing but turn people off to christianity and Christ. It's like the guy on Wards road recently with the Repent or burn sign. How effective is that?

You can alert folks to the horrable nature of abortion without grusome pictures. Creativity is needed not shock.

[ATrain]

I think images like this are best reserved for mature Christians in Sunday Schools, Bible classes, etc...to remind them of the importance of standing up for life. Trying to shock the "pro-choiceness," out of others through methods like this is not very effective in my opinion, for the reasons discussed above.

[jbock13]

Here's the problem with these type of nuts. They're just like the ones who got caught up in the witch trials long ago. If you drowned, you were a witch. If you survived, then it proved you were a witch.

Similarly, if you give them a thumbs up, they feel they're doing the Lords work. If you give them some other gesture, than they believe they are being persecuted in the name of doing the Lord's work.

any radical group, and you'll see the same connections.

[Purple Haize]

It's like the guy on Wards road recently with the Repent or burn sign. How effective is that?

You can alert folks to the horrable nature of abortion without grusome pictures. Creativity is needed not shock.

I don't know. You have to admit it HAS been pretty warm this summer. He could be on to something.
As for the truck. I flipped him off this AM. Not because of the signs but because he is a lousy driver. It's called a turn signal. When it's on, it means that is the direction you want to go!

[prototype]

They are going to Radford later this week. They also have a truck driving around town with the images on its side panels. They interviewed the driver and he said he gets flipped off 5X more than thumbs up from other drivers. Same truck you saw RC.

Maybe they should have pictures of STD symptoms for that campus;)

[BJWilliams]

I guess the reason I stress what I stress is because, if you've ever been in this situation with a friend who's considering an abortion, you start to see the impact that not judging or scaring the woman is the most important thing. I could have told her she was going to hell for killing a child. But instead, I chose to help her see that life was gift, although it was given through unfortunate circumstance. I told her God wasn't done with her life. It would be difficult, but that God would help her through it all if He put her faith in her. Happy to say, she gave birth last week.

Also, these groups are exactly the reason I walked away from the church in my younger years. Now I see the error of my ways, and I'm back in church. Almost all people know the Westboro Baptist Church is not truly Christian, let alone Baptist. But still there was much ignorance I grew up around (for example, one church I went to openly wished that gay people would die). But thankful I've found a good church where the Gospel is preached, and ignorance is not passed for logical discussion.

I think Dr. Wheeler put it this way. Perhaps it was someone else but he said "Love without laws is liberalism. Laws without love is legalism." This is the main philosophy that guides my life.

So BYD, I can agree to disagree with you, I just thought it was worth explaining my reactions to these sorts of groups.

Ive heard Dr Wheeler explain it this way jbock (pulls out note) "informational evangelism without incarnational validation always ends up as hypocrisy...incarnational expression without informational validation ends up as heresy"

[jbock13]

They are going to Radford later this week. They also have a truck driving around town with the images on its side panels. They interviewed the driver and he said he gets flipped off 5X more than thumbs up from other drivers. Same truck you saw RC.

Maybe they should have pictures of STD symptoms for that campus;)

I was thinking the same thing

[jbock13]

As to BYD's point, I agree with you that there is a generation genocide occurring, especially in the black community. It's the main reason that Latinos now outnumber Blacks in this country. I'm sure you've seen the "controversial" billboard that said that the most dangerous place for a black child was in the womb. Whether one like it or not, it's a fact.

The questions lies in how we battle this. Do we (as I argue) leave abortion for each individual state to decide? Do we just outlaw abortion on the federal level? Do we resort to violence to stop it? Violence isn't the answer, but many people have resorted to it.

You and me agree on much BYD. I'd just be curious, what would be your way of fighting abortion? I say this out of wanting to learn your perspective, as someone who thinks rather similar to you (other than my disdain of Ron Paul supporters)

[Schfourteenteen]

I stopped by and asked the group if they have any condoms. THEY DIDNT! I mean what the heck? You dont want me n my sig. other to have an abortion? Gimme some free protection fools!

[jbock13]

Well, they're back at it again, calling people who disagree with them Nazis. Can't say that's the most persuasive argument I've ever heard.

I don't have any disagreements with what you've said BYD. I can see how some believe that government should ban abortion (even from a libertarian aspect).

[ATrain]

Jbock, I definitely don't have the answers. My first instinct is to say that education should be the first option, and like it or not, graphic images are a part of that. I would also say that as believers, we can do a lot through our personal relationships when people find themselves in situations like you described earlier with someone you knew.

Politically, banning abortion is one of the few areas where I do support the federal government stepping in. Simply because human life must be protected in order for liberty in any form to exist. The most basic liberty is the right to life, and it is within the federal government's powers to protect it.

The question I always have though, is what do we do when the system and our efforts fail? How long do we wait for things to change? It's been quite a while now since Roe vs Wade, and millions upon millions have died as a result. I've always been told violence isn't the answer, and my instinct is definitely peaceful. Yet, something tells me none of us would fault a German for fighting to stop the Nazis from exterminating Jews. So, to me, there is a disconnect. We are so willing to fight and die in wars all over the world, even as believers. Yet, we say that violence is wrong to protect unborn humans, the most innocent of us. The only conclusion I can come to is that, somewhere inside of us, we don't really think of the unborn as people. Or we don't see it so we can block it out. Because surely if millions of people were mowed down before try turned 18 we would have been fighting in the streets a long time ago. Again, please don't misunderstand, I'm not condoning or justifying violence. I just think it's interesting to discuss what I view as an inconsistency in our society.

I think the diference is there is not an outright campaign to wipe out babies before they are born, and thus people are less reluctant to resort to violence. Not that we should in this instance, I believe it will take education and counseling on a one-on-one basis w/ women and their doctors about any unplanned/unwanted pregnancies.