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By alum82
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rogers, I disagree. I bet LU's faculty receives pay and benefits greater than or equal to LU's peer institutions, if you consider LU's peers to be other Christian colleges in medium to small sized cities. If you consider LU's peers to be Big South schools, I would say LU is very competitive. If you consider LU's peers to be FBS schools, then LU is probably lagging behind a little. But, does LU have the same stress levels for faculty? At many schools, the quest for tenure and the quest to publish is quite stressful and, if success is not attained, the faculty members are considered failures and normally leave to work elsewhere. That competitive atmosphere does not exist at LU and that is worth something to faculty members, I would think.
By NG33
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alum82 wrote:rogers, I disagree. I bet LU's faculty receives pay and benefits greater than or equal to LU's peer institutions, if you consider LU's peers to be other Christian colleges in medium to small sized cities. If you consider LU's peers to be Big South schools, I would say LU is very competitive. If you consider LU's peers to be FBS schools, then LU is probably lagging behind a little. But, does LU have the same stress levels for faculty? At many schools, the quest for tenure and the quest to publish is quite stressful and, if success is not attained, the faculty members are considered failures and normally leave to work elsewhere. That competitive atmosphere does not exist at LU and that is worth something to faculty members, I would think.
How can you be so sure of what your saying? Just because you have a hunch doesn't actually make it true. Don't get me wrong, I love Liberty, but I have no doubt that LU could do better compensating their employees. It's something that has definitely been talked about at the school since I started attending and will continued to be talked about until it gets better.
By JK37
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Pardon me for jumping in late, but it's been really interesting to see how the parking issue has brought to light other concerns.

Given the drastic growth and increase in capital projects in recent times, it can surely be proven that the University is in no shortage of funding. Yet, many people here have spoken of low wages and poor treatment of faculty & staff, leading to a high rate of turnover in many departments. Could it be stated that at LU, bricks are more important than people?

Just an honest question seeking opinions...
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This is a sticky topic because there are some in this thread commenting based off of second-hand information and known "stigmas" that have existed for years. Then there are some that have first hand experience, and are currently working at Liberty who's opinion should obviously be held to a higher degree, but it's hard to separate the two with an online forum that for the most part is faceless.

Needless to say for those who are unfamiliar with any of the discussions in this thread be careful gathering all of your information and/or basing your opinion on only what you read here. There are some valid points in here though....but again, only a few can actually separate the two.

I'm not going to indulge in too much of this conversation simply because I'm not confident a lot of good can come from defending either side. I think LU would be the first to admit that through the years they have not always compensated as well as others...heck, even as well as LU would liked to have compensated their employees. That was due to circumstance, now its pretty well publicized that the circumstances are a little different. Not EVERYTHING can be announced through press releases and statements by the Chancellor. Without discussing the details (I wouldnt discuss them in private or on a message board nonetheless) but LU has been working very hard researching pay scale's on the national and local level for departments. This resulted in a significant raises in the department...and I'd like to emphasize the word significant. This was months in the making after researching and making the changes work on paper (when I say work hard, I really mean it working hours into the night for months for certain individuals). Now I'm sure it's off to another department to evaluate their current status....and so on and so on. These are all things happening as we speak...literally. There are hundreds of stories at Liberty of someone stepping down from their current position but LU kept them on staff for a number of years after the fact as a goodwill gesture for their service and sacrifices through the years (sacrifices were more of a thing in the past then now).

I saw someone else mention the cost of living increase. I will preface my comments with my opinion that I do believe that we should receive it and that it goes a long way showing that you value the employee...BUT it's not my RIGHT to receive it, I can only hope to. We did receive an increase last year though, it may not have been what we were used to or expected but it still was an increase (and larger than the year before!). Ask a Bedford County school teacher when the last time they received a cost of living increase and they'll laugh at you! Heck an increase of any kind for that matter. Even a simple decision like that can cost tens of millions of dollars and takes departments months to plan for and execute. There are times where planning some of these large structures you see on campus can be easier than planning a department or university wide increase of any kind...and they have to deal with our city!

To Alum's point that there are a lot of people lined up for an individuals position at Liberty. While that might be looked at as cold-blooded business it is true. I will also point out though that with each individual that leaves Liberty (with quite a few years service) a piece of Liberty leaves with them....even if it's a tiny fraction that can barely be seen. While we can hope that the new hire brings a new piece of Liberty with them...the odds are it will not be the same piece with the same stories and sense of history and most importantly the "Liberty lessons" learned along the way which can be very difficult to place a value on.

Sorry for the length, I too have job related concerns at times and get worried even recently in fact. That's when I take a step back and take a deep breath and stop looking at the few negatives that may exist but rather look at the big picture...which if anyone on here does....it looks great!

EDIT: JK you posted a few things I touched on while I was posting this ironically enough...but that's why I didnt address your comments directly. While that was a baited question (which I'm not going to take!) I believe that you should/do know that a vast majority of those bricks as of late add value to individuals as well....and they are quite excited about them. We cant have it both ways just yet, where everything is fixed with a snap of the fingers. Its like the people who Extreme Home Makeover rebuilt their house...and then they turn around and sue ABC because their increased taxes.....WE JUST BUILT YOU A HOUSE WHICH YOU ASKED FOR! Give me a minute to work on the taxes! :lol:
Last edited by Hold My Own on August 10th, 2011, 11:38 am, edited 2 times in total.
By NG33
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Well said HMO :clapping

It great to see that if anything LU is at least starting to tackle the issue
By JK37
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Hold My Own wrote:EDIT: JK you posted a few things I touched on while I was posting this ironically enough...but that's why I didn't address your comments directly. While that was a baited question (which I'm not going to take!)...
You should understand by now that I occasionally ask questions hoping someone will contradict what I was inferring from other posts, but not wanting to or being able to do so myself. A lot of posters in this thread seemed to be saying what I said, without coming right out and saying it. So, yes, it was a baiting question, but not because I actually believe "bricks > people" to be true.
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JK37 wrote: Could it be stated that at LU, bricks are more important than people? Just an honest question seeking opinions...
I think this would be an unfair assessment. From your later post, it sounds like you agree with me?
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By jcmanson
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I like the last line in the article:
Liberty is working toward making its main campus a primarily pedestrian campus over the next several years.
pedestrian = Image
#352214
Itd certainly be nice for the only vehicles to be on campus to be the vans for the visitors/welcome center
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By jbock13
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BJWilliams wrote:Itd certainly be nice for the only vehicles to be on campus to be the vans for the visitors/welcome center
Okay. That makes sense. So where do I park my car after I drive 44 miles to campus?
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As a student or visitor or employee?

I think we're taking the "no cars" a little too literal. Of course the new parking lots will be here for many years to come and there will be plenty of parking for gameday and other events....just no longer parking at the front door or some of the connecting roads as they are right now. I would imagine the Per. Road will be extended to the other side of campus then acting as the main arteries so the current roads that have been there forever can be greenerized (new word, TM). Not positive but this seems logical.
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By jbock13
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It's kind of walking a fine line between putting lots at different parts of the campus, and putting a few massive lots towards the ends of the campus. I realize it's this way now, but I think we can do better than the random sizes of parking that we do now. But it's just a suggestion. Truly, honestly I can't complain about parking. It could be better, but it could be much, much worse. It would be nice to reduce the vehicle traffic through the campus (my suggestion would be to have one road, University Blvd).

Then again, this is all just thinking out loud.
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By jcmanson
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alabama24 wrote:Also, Pedestrian (in this case) does NOT mean eliminating busses. Rather, the busses help eliminate the cars.
This.

It's ok to park a mile + away and have a bus take you to your class.
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By jbock13
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I'll always walk. I'll never get on a bus. :D
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By alabama24
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Walking is good for you. I've lost nearly 100 pounds & walking was part of that. However... If I had to sit in class for 3 hours... Definitely taking the bus. Wouldn't want everyone smelling me. :D
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I found it funny that this started as a "Pay for Parking" issue and then went on to a deep philosphical discussion on Industrial Psychology!!
For starters, I will take umbrage with HMO and ALUM with their outlook. When you treat educated and/or skilled employees like they are nothing more then a cog in the wheel then you will encounter several things: Low Moral, Low Innovation and Low Output. This business model was/is more succsessful in a military setting and back in 50's. To tell an employee that if they don't like it they can leave and that they can be replaced at any second is not motivating. Why should that employee work hard? Why invest more time and effort into the business if they can be replaced on a whim? Just food for thought.
As for paying to park? It is what it is. Some universities do that some don't. The only thing I miss is counting the number of tickets LU Vice handed out to people who ran in to get their mail after convo!! Now that was some ALL DAY FUN THERE!
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By bigsmooth
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haize, everyone is replaceable that is business and reality. most businesses have a ceiling on raises and other benefits to keep exceptional employees anyway. Low morale is another issue, and if employees are treated poorly then i totally agree that work performance drops. If a company is not giving raises or has cut back on benefits due to the economy or other reasons then the employer should be doing other things to boost morale. I have no idea how morale is at LU other than what i have heard, so i really hope it is not bad.
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Smooth - Define replaceable? Will the task be performed at the same high level? Will the replacement have the same intrinsic motivation? Business relationships? Etc? If all you are asking is for someone to place round pegs in round holes then yes. In the battlefield these people are known as 'cannon fodder'.
I am not saying you CAN T be replaced. Anyone can be replaced to cut costs, poor performance rules violations etc. What I am saying is that to manage with the attitude that your employees Can be replaced is a horrible way to be successful. If you manage with the attitude that your employee can bring unique and valuable experience to a task you are more likely to cultivate a spirit of exceptionalism.
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By alabama24
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Purple Haize wrote:What I am saying is that to manage with the attitude that your employees Can be replaced is a horrible way to be successful. If you manage with the attitude that your employee can bring unique and valuable experience to a task you are more likely to cultivate a spirit of exceptionalism.
Nicely said.
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