[Kolzilla41]

I don't have a problem with alcohol ( grew up Catholic so I had wine when I was in 4th grade ) but if you are on Liberty's campus, I hope everyone would be respectful of the no alcohol policy.

[flamehunter]

Jesus did it...done.

So if he were here today, would he drink? If so, tell me why you know so.
For the record, I am of the opinion that it is a personal decision. I don't for personal reasons and convictions. The statement that Jesus did it so "done" sounds like an excuse rather than a good reason. Again, give me a good reason for a Christian to drink. Please? I am not trying to be smart or anything. I am just tired of Christians trying to live like the world and passing it off. Why can't we be different and act different while we at it?
And to keep this on topic, like I said it's a personal decision. But, out of respect for our school, I think it should be avoided while wearing the school colors.

[Kolzilla41]

I agree BYD, drinking is very much a cultural activity.

[jbock13]

You knew the conversation "Should Christians drink?" would end up as the result

I've got my own thoughts, but I'm staying out of this.

[thepostman]

then why waste the time posting?

[flamehunter]

BYD - Point well taken. I'm not legalistic by any means and sorry for coming across that way. My experience has been though that the overwhelming majority of Christians that I know that drink regularly do it to fit in with their buddies after work or do it to get buzzed and have "a good time". I won't change your mind, I know, but your not going to change mine either.
And I also don't know how you can dogmatically say that He drank alcohol. Possible but not provable. My Pastor is just as dogmatic that he didn't. Neither of you can convince me one way or the other. We don't know. I also doubt that what he might have drank back then was like what is available today as far as strength.

[jbock13]

then why waste the time posting?

Just read flamehunter's post below mine, that's how I feel. Personally I abstain and I encourage other's to do so. I've seen alcohol ruin the lives of my family and friends. Yes, I know, there are people who are responsible. That's just been the opposite of my experience so my bias bleeds through. I just thought it was funny because I knew this conversation would end up about this subject.

[TH Spangler]

I like what C.S. Lewis had to say on tailgating.

Temperance is, unfortunately, one of those words that has changed its meaning. It now usually means teetotalism… [In the past,] temperance referred not specially to drink, but to all pleasures; and it meant not abstaining, but going the right length and no further. It is a mistake to think that Christians ought all to be teetotalers; Mohammedanism, not Christianity, is the teetotal religion.

Of course it may be the duty of a particular Christian, or of any Christian, at a particular time, to abstain from strong drink, either because he is the sort of man who cannot drink at all without drinking too much, or because he is with people who are inclined to drunkenness and must not encourage them by drinking himself. But the whole point is that he is abstaining, for a good reason, from something which he does not condemn and which he likes to see other people enjoying. One of the marks of a certain type of bad man is that he cannot give up a thing himself without wanting every one else to give it up. That is not the Christian way. An individual Christian may see fit to give up all sorts of things for special reasons—marriage, or meat, or beer, or the cinema; but the moment he starts saying the things are bad in themselves, or looking down his nose at other people who use them, he has taken the wrong turning.

Proverbs 20.1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.

Be wise, be a good witness, have fun! And lets Beat the wolfpack!

[jcmanson]

because drinking at an away game isn't prohibited like it is at LU. That is the difference.

I know that people drink while tailgating at LU, but that is something I wouldn't do out of respect for LU. With that said at an away game if I decide to have a drink I don't think there should be a problem with tha.

Do you think those who set those rules for no drinking at LU while tailgating, would also like their fans, students, alumni, etc. to not drink at LU away games? Why does location change that fact?

If you wouldn't drink on campus at LU while tailgating out of respect for LU, why would you drink at a LU away game while tailgating? Do we only have respect for LU while on campus?

[Kolzilla41]

because drinking at an away game isn't prohibited like it is at LU. That is the difference.

I know that people drink while tailgating at LU, but that is something I wouldn't do out of respect for LU. With that said at an away game if I decide to have a drink I don't think there should be a problem with tha.

Do you think those who set those rules for no drinking at LU while tailgating, would also like their fans, students, alumni, etc. to not drink at LU away games? Why does location change that fact?

If you wouldn't drink on campus at LU while tailgating out of respect for LU, why would you drink at a LU away game while tailgating? Do we only have respect for LU while on campus?

That is the same question I had too Manson. If they want us to represent the school, whether on campus or off, then why not do it for both.

[SuperJon]

Because the rules for alumni and fans only apply on campus. Liberty is a dry campus. There's no such thing as the Liberty Way for alumni/fans other than the Bible. I can't Biblically say it's wrong to drink so, with that being said, if someone of age wants to have a drink on a campus that allows that then I have absolutely no right to tell them that they can't do that. I say all of this as someone who has never had a drink in their entire life.

[jcmanson]

Yes they apply only on campus, but, in my opinion, when we have a LU event, the least we could do is respect LU’s rules wherever we may be.

[jbock13]

Yes they apply only on campus, but, in my opinion, when we have a LU event, the least we could do is respect LU’s rules wherever we may be.

100% agree.

[jcmanson]

That's what Christianity is about right? Following the rules!

Nope. I never said anything about Christianity, Jesus, right and wrong, etc. The original post was asking if it should be acceptable from a Liberty perspective, not a Biblical perspective, to drink while tailgating prior/post LU games.

[jbock13]

I'm clear about my bias. But let me just ask this. Picture drunken, spiritually lost, NC State fans. They know that Liberty is a Christian school. Then, they see you across the street, in your Liberty gear, pull out a Bud Light. You're not drunk, and you're just going to have one. But it's in your hand. And they see it. What do you think those NC State fans would think about our school? Whether what they think is true or not?

Just a question to ask. I'd like to see what others think.

[BJWilliams]

If I was an unsaved person at a sporting event and I saw a "Christian" with a beer, my first thought would be that he's no different than I am and if he's no different than I am, then I can stay my unsaved self. If I saw someone from Liberty pull one out Id think the same thing.

[NG33]

The problem is those unsaved people would most likely have preconceived notions about other aspects of our life as well. Rather what if they saw us listening to "secular" music, quoting the Hangover, dancing to music or hears us saying the "D" word? Honestly, them seeing us NOT drink with the rest of them might have the same effect on them (viewing us as "Holier Then Thou"). I guess that's one thing that's a huge difference up North than down South. I know people that started going to church and have gotten saved with it all starting when a friend of mine first took him out for a talk at the local pub.

All in all it's very subjective.

[jbock13]

I'm not trying to condemn people for their beliefs. If you want to have a beer, have at it. I'm just asking, how are we perceived, whether we are perceived justly or unjustly.

Oh, and BJ, I'd like to point out that we agree on something.

[ballah09]

Liberty should be more worried about some of their employees that make themselves look like a butt in the media.

you probably know who i'm referring to.


but that argument is lame because we would get look down upon if we listen to Jay-Z and his supposedly anti-church music or going to see a rated r movie with sex or some kind of sin in? none believers expect us all to live in a bubble.

[R i]

Manson. I dont follow your logic. Following rules by location is part of our daily lives. Its like motor cycle helmets. Depends on where you are, if you have to wear one.

[flamehunter]

Manson. I dont follow your logic. Following rules by location is part of our daily lives. Its like motor cycle helmets. Depends on where you are, if you have to wear one.

Unless you are a dad and you decide to wear one even when not required for the sake of your family. It's not about what we have to do, it's about doing what we believe to be the right thing to do.

[R i]

i believe it is the right thing to do, to follow rules our school has.

After reading everyones thoughts. I have adapted a red solo cup policy for road games. And a red gatorade for home games.

another observation. This board has matured over the years. Many insightful and logical posts on a polar topic. We all like that.

[jcmanson]

Manson. I dont follow your logic. Following rules by location is part of our daily lives. Its like motor cycle helmets. Depends on where you are, if you have to wear one.

Don't get so caught up in "following rules." It's not about following rules it's about respect.

I'm not saying it's a total disrespect to LU if you drink at a tailgate at one of LU's away games. That's up to you to decide individually.

[R i]

Manson. I dont follow your logic. Following rules by location is part of our daily lives. Its like motor cycle helmets. Depends on where you are, if you have to wear one.

Don't get so caught up in "following rules." It's not about following rules it's about respect.

I'm not saying it's a total disrespect to LU if you drink at a tailgate at one of LU's away games. That's up to you to decide individually.

I was referring more to your comment about why not at home games. Because it is a rule, that i am caught up in following.

[R i]

out of respect i might add.