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By thepostman
#351913
The only issue I have with LU charging for parking is faculty/staff have been underpaid for years, especially faculty, when compared to their counterparts. So you take that in consideration and on top of that you begin to charge for parking?

Of course I am not privy to new information so maybe the pay is more competitive then it once was....
#351914
thepostman wrote:The only issue I have with LU charging for parking is faculty/staff have been underpaid for years, especially faculty, when compared to their counterparts. So you take that in consideration and on top of that you begin to charge for parking?

Of course I am not privy to new information so maybe the pay is more competitive then it once was....
Oh yea....and no cost of living raises this year for staff....but now they have to pay to work there....
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By jbock13
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#351916
Alabama, I didn't mean when LU students park in the TRBC parking lot (as it is now). Obviously they should be towed.
#351928
jbock13 wrote:Alabama, I didn't mean when LU students park in the TRBC parking lot (as it is now). Obviously they should be towed.
jbock13-

Although the church owned the property, "LU parking" was legitimately alongside the entire side of "North Campus" all the way to Candler's Mtn. Rd. (as indicated by signage). This was clearly not enough for either the University, nor for the Church. TRBC has sold what is now Green Hall to the University, but I am not sure where the legal boundaries/ownership are for parking. I think it is where they have installed new "islands" right around where the large stairs go down from the ELC parking lot (between the Sanctuary and the North Campus Cafe.
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By bigsmooth
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#351944
UVA employees park in the many garages they have and are bused in, and they pay to park in the garages. I think its time people realize this is not a small bible school anymore and times change. Plus the effort to physically separate TRBC and LU has been a priority.
By thepostman
#351956
I would love to see stats on how much uva faculty/staff get paid vs how much liberty faculty/staff get paid. If we are truly a worldclass university then salaries need to be more competitive before we can make an arguement like that.
By alum82
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#351958
postman, if you don't think LU is paying you enough, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. I am sure there are three or four people in line for your job right now. Seriously, it is much cheaper to live in Lynchburg than Charlottesville and I know for a fact that LU routinely adjusts its pay scales based on the local labor market -- if turnover gets too high in a particular department. The market determines what LU or any other business has to pay to keep a good labor force. If you could find a better job in Lynchburg right now, I'm sure you'd take it.
#351959
alum82 wrote:postman, if you don't think LU is paying you enough, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. I am sure there are three or four people in line for your job right now. Seriously, it is much cheaper to live in Lynchburg than Charlottesville and I know for a fact that LU routinely adjusts its pay scales based on the local labor market -- if turnover gets too high in a particular department. The market determines what LU or any other business has to pay to keep a good labor force. If you could find a better job in Lynchburg right now, I'm sure you'd take it.
Alum, you need a new pair of glasses. I don't think postman even works at Liberty (Air Force, right postman?) Anyway, outside of Areva, the pay is pretty low in Lynchburg. I know guys who cut grass 8 hours a day that would make the same at McDonalds.
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By jcmanson
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#351960
bigsmooth wrote:UVA employees park in the many garages they have and are bused in, and they pay to park in the garages. I think its time people realize this is not a small bible school anymore and times change. Plus the effort to physically separate TRBC and LU has been a priority.
well said smoothie
#351963
Alum82 -

I am very appreciative to the University for my wife's employment and the educational benefit I received over the past four years. We are currently see a fork in the road for us in the future. We desire to move to be closer to family, but we also love Lynchburg and Liberty. Staying in Lynchburg, for many reasons, does not seem like the best choice, but we will gladly stay here until the right opportunity comes along elsewhere. In our case, my wife would love to spend more time at home. The problem is that I would be very unlikely to find employment at the university making what she is now. My wife applied for a similar job at a public college in a midwestern state. She did not get the job, but I can tell you that the starting salary was double her current one. In my mind, one of the reasons that state has so much financial difficulties is because they are paying their employees so much! Of course, given the opportunity to move closer to family and double her salary, the choice would be a "no brainer." :D

I don't know how LU compares to other institutions in the area and state. I love Liberty and am glad that our financial house is in much better shape than when I was here as an undergrad in the 90's. One thing that I do know, however, is that there is great turnover in some departments. I see many employees who are young grads, and they have found their first real job at the University, but they don't see this as a long term deal. Some of the turnover is due to the characteristics of the current generation, but some of it is because Liberty is in a position to hire cheap labor. This is not a criticism - I think that it is good stewardship, and provides great opportunities for some of our grads. It is disappointing, however, when some of the best employees, who would otherwise remain, leave for greener pasture.

I don't have any solution, but I hope I have offered a fair critique of the University I love!
By alum82
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#351964
flamerbob wrote:
alum82 wrote:postman, if you don't think LU is paying you enough, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. I am sure there are three or four people in line for your job right now. Seriously, it is much cheaper to live in Lynchburg than Charlottesville and I know for a fact that LU routinely adjusts its pay scales based on the local labor market -- if turnover gets too high in a particular department. The market determines what LU or any other business has to pay to keep a good labor force. If you could find a better job in Lynchburg right now, I'm sure you'd take it.
Alum, you need a new pair of glasses. I don't think postman even works at Liberty (Air Force, right postman?) Anyway, outside of Areva, the pay is pretty low in Lynchburg. I know guys who cut grass 8 hours a day that would make the same at McDonalds.
Guess I'm not very observant but what I said applies to anyone working at LU who complains about their pay. You are right about pay scales in Lynchburg generally. That is why alabama is right. It would be poor stewardship for LU to pay more than local market wages.
By EagleOne
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#351965
So I take it we can all agree that it isn't fair to compare what UVA does to what LU does?

Good.

Also, good that LU is reviewing the parking issue. The previous proposal of having faculty park in premium lots for $50/yr while staff would pay $150 for decals in lots within a 10 minute walk was quite interesting to say the least.
#351966
All I know is I can't complain. I have been blessed to be at Liberty almost 5 years and I love my job. The benefits of working with the people I know and the pay are really great compared to previous jobs I've held.
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By bigsmooth
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#352011
the UVA/LU comparison was meant by me to say many schools across the country require faculty/staff to pay for their parking. If anyone works in a downtown setting in any city, you pay for your parking. I applaud LU for giving this a second look, but as i said before times change.
By LUconn
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#352053
lol. If I have have access to illegal Mexican labor, I would be sinning if I didn't pay them less than $3/hr. I guess stewardship is a nice excuse for being cheapskates.
#352056
Just a clarification. I do NOT agree with Alum82: "It would be poor stewardship for LU to pay more than local market wages." Being a good steward means respecting ALL the resources God has blest us with, which includes more than just our finances, but our labor force as well.

One question any organization should ask of itself continually is "how do our employees view working here." Of course, renumeration is one aspect of the "happiness" of an organization's work force, but there are many other areas as well. (i.e. how are employees treated; are they made to feel valued; do they feel that their work is "meaningful") The answer to these questions will vary from person to person and department to department.

It is my desire to see the University become a place where it is known as "one of the best places to work in Virginia."
#352057
LUconn wrote:lol. If I have have access to illegal Mexican labor, I would be sinning if I didn't pay them less than $3/hr. I guess stewardship is a nice excuse for being cheapskates.
I know that there will be a great deal of disagreement over the issue of immigration. Personally, I feel that it is wrong to hire illegal immigrants below market wages. Companies that do show should feel the full extent of the law. If there is a need for these laborers (and there likely is), they should be paid fairly and above the table. Business and government should work together to have an adequate guest worker program.
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By jbock13
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#352058
BuryYourDuke wrote:Man I would like to know who alum82 really is.... :wink:
I think we all know :D
By thepostman
#352059
bigsmooth wrote:the UVA/LU comparison was meant by me to say many schools across the country require faculty/staff to pay for their parking. If anyone works in a downtown setting in any city, you pay for your parking. I applaud LU for giving this a second look, but as i said before times change.
I agree somewhat for sure and I don't completely disagreeing with charging them for parking. I just think its a little premature to start comparing LU with a school like UVA.
By thepostman
#352098
BuryYourDuke wrote:
alum82 wrote:postman, if you don't think LU is paying you enough, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. I am sure there are three or four people in line for your job right now
Good to know how highly you value your employees. I wonder why so many people leave?
haha I just noticed that post...I do not work at LU nor would I ever want to.

I love Liberty and my time there was great but I don't think I would ever want to work there.
By alum82
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#352110
BuryYourDuke wrote:
alum82 wrote:postman, if you don't think LU is paying you enough, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. I am sure there are three or four people in line for your job right now
Good to know how highly you value your employees. I wonder why so many people leave?
They aren't "my" employees but is the turnover rate at Liberty high? I see the same people on the faculty and staff year after year after year after year. I would guess that the turnover rate is low compared to most large organizations.
#352111
alum82 wrote:is the turnover rate at Liberty high? I see the same people on the faculty and staff year after year after year after year.
It depends on what department you are looking at. My wife is the only person still employed in her department from when she started four years ago. It only took about 2 and a half years for this to happen. Again, some of this is attributable to hiring recent graduates. A higher than average turnover is to be expected. Still, the turnover rate is larger than you would like to see.
By rogers3
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#352118
alum82 wrote: Guess I'm not very observant but what I said applies to anyone working at LU who complains about their pay. You are right about pay scales in Lynchburg generally. That is why alabama is right. It would be poor stewardship for LU to pay more than local market wages.
Alum- that is a great observation for the employer that wants to foster mediocrity, but I think that LU probably upholds your view of stewardship. I don't think LU faculty are paid at the same level as their local counterparts. Maybe I'm wrong, and I doubt if any faculty member would get involved in this conversation, but I know that I am compensated about 40% more than I would be at LU for the same job. For years, the idea has been that working at LU is a ministry, and thus pay isn't as important at a secular institution. I wonder if those feelings persist. I would venture to say that as LU continues to grow and work with local industry, there will be a need to compensate the faculty involved in these partnerships more competitively. I wonder how strong our academic success will be when we become known for a constantly changing pool of faculty.
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