[SuperJon]

Do you all really believe LU/NC State is a toss up?? I don't think NC State will blow us out or anything, but a toss up?? seriously?

That's my thought as well. There's no way our game with State is a "toss up." A "toss up" is a game that could legitimately go either way and if the teams played 10 times then each would likely win five. Last year against Ball State was a "toss up." We can beat NC State, but to say it's a "toss up" and say that we're on the same level as an ACC team is ignorant at best.

[No Fear]

Not a toss up, but I hope a good game.. NC has a solid program and LU is definitely the underdog, and had better be ready for a fight.
NC State is a good school with a good location in NC, and draws alot of talent. Their summer camps (for HS seniors/juniors) have been pulling well over 1,000+ players per session... (I think they are running 2 or 3 sessions per summer). Thats way more players attending their summer camps than UVA and VT. When you have that much talent to pick from I expect you are going to have a strong team no matter how bad the coaches are...

[Flamesfan4ever]

2011 Prediction = Kajuan Lee sits the bench while Ayers plays EVERY GAME !!!

[BJWilliams]

Roccgroh is that you?

[mlschubert]

Haley On Sports Network - Playoffs or bust at Liberty

http://64.246.64.33/merge/tsnform.aspx? ... Findex.htm

[keydet21]

VMI, 4-2

The only way I feel VMI will go 4-2 is if they beat Stony Brook. Since we tend to collapse in late-game situations, this will have to be a lucky game. But I have a lot of confidence for the other 3 wins over CSU, GWU, and Presby.

If Stony Brook can beat the Keydets in Foster, don't expect them to not be a post season contender, along with CCU.

[ATrain]

Stony Brook 5-1 (auto)
Liberty 5-1
CCU
CSU
GW
VMI
PC

[keydet21]

VMI, 4-2

The only way VMI will go 4-2 is if they beat Stony Brook, which is hard to do for us (they tend to collapse in late-game situations). I feel confident about the other 3 wins over CSU, GWU, and Presby.

So if Stony Brook can beat the Keydets in Foster, and <b>poop</b>

[keydet21]

VMI, 4-2

The only way VMI will go 4-2 is if they beat Stony Brook, which is hard to do for us (they tend to collapse in late-game situations). I feel confident about the other 3 wins over CSU, GWU, and Presby.

So if Stony Brook can beat the Keydets in Foster, don't expect them not to be a post season contender, along with CCU.

[bradyfan]

Liberty 6-0
SBU 5-1
Presbytarian 4-2
Coastal 3-3
GWU 2-4
CSU 1-5
VMI 0-6

[thepostman]

Do you all really believe LU/NC State is a toss up?? I don't think NC State will blow us out or anything, but a toss up?? seriously?

That's my thought as well. There's no way our game with State is a "toss up." A "toss up" is a game that could legitimately go either way and if the teams played 10 times then each would likely win five. Last year against Ball State was a "toss up." We can beat NC State, but to say it's a "toss up" and say that we're on the same level as an ACC team is ignorant at best.

exactly.

Fans are funny

Try being realistic for once, but this is the message board and message boards are all about going over the top so I don't know why I am shocked especially with it being BJ saying it. It just makes me shake my head because its the same thing every year from him. I am going to start blaming him for cursing us, haha

[jbock13]

VMI, 4-2

The only way VMI will go 4-2 is if they beat Stony Brook, which is hard to do for us (they tend to collapse in late-game situations). I feel confident about the other 3 wins over CSU, GWU, and Presby.

So if Stony Brook can beat the Keydets in Foster, don't expect them not to be a post season contender, along with CCU.

VMI at 3-3 is very likely.

[BJWilliams]

Do you all really believe LU/NC State is a toss up?? I don't think NC State will blow us out or anything, but a toss up?? seriously?

Actually yes...I do...we have only lost once by > 14 points since Coach Rocco took the helm. Here are the FBS results we've had since Ive been on the mountain:

2002:

vs. UCF L 48-17
vs. Akron L 49-21

2003:

vs. Toledo L 49-3
vs. Bowling Green L 62-3

2004:

Kent State L 38-10

2005: (Karcher's last season)

Connecticut L 59-0

2006 (Rocco's first season):

Wake Forest L 34-14

2007:

Toledo (who we lost to by 46 just three years ago) L 35-34

2008:

No FBS games

2009:

West Virginia L 33-20

2010:

Ball State W 27-23

So after losing all of our FBS games in the previous four seasons by a combined 305-54, in our last 4 FBS games, we have only been outscored 125-115 (including one victory). So yes...I do think its a tossup...because I believe in this team and believe that we will keep it close with NC State...do I think we win it? Its a longshot to be sure but I dont think we are just going to get blown out of there.

[jbock13]

But BJ... here's the point. Look at the FBS teams we have played under Rocco.

Toledo in 2007: Toledo finished just above .500, due to their extremely weak schedule. Lost every game against tougher opposition (if you even consider W. Mich, Buffalo, and Kansas just that.)

2009: West Virginia. Don't even get me started on how much Bill Stewart made that game close. Yes we played well, I attended that game (and yes I risked my life wearing red and sitting with the WVU season ticket holders of which my parents are (and in full disclosure I go to WVU games whenever Liberty has a bye, or Away and there is no TV)). But Bill Stewart was the biggest moron... okay I'll just stop there.

2010: Ball State. Yep, we won. But cmon. It's Ball State. I suppose an argument that could be made in your favor would be their blowout of the much overrated SE Missouri State.

Before the era of Rocco, of course the simple answer to that is that we stunk.

NC State, while not the best team, isn't any of the 3 teams I've listed here. Truth is I think we will finish the game within 10-17 points of NCSU. And I do believe we have an outside chance to win. It's possible. But to say it's a toss up... that's a bit too much koolaid for my liking.

I realize it's easy to go on to libertyflames.com and look at the 700 irrelevant facts about conferences and random statistical abstracts that are posted after the preview of the game. No offense to anyone, but just because Liberty since Rocco has coached has beaten teams with the letter A by an average of 15.4 points per game, doesn't mean that Liberty will beat Alabama.

I don't mean any disrespect to you BJ.

[LUnpretty11]

09 WVU > 11 NC ST

How was Stewart a moron in that game? Rocco had our guys more than well prepared and that's what made it a close game. Not Stewart's inability to coach well.

[jbock13]

09 WVU > 11 NC ST

How was Stewart a moron in that game? Rocco had our guys more than well prepared and that's what made it a close game. Not Stewart's inability to coach well.

There's no question Rocco had them well prepared. And they played well. But for all the talent that WVU had that year and for Bill Stewart to find a way to squander it all. WVU had no offense that year, and they really haven't ever since that time. That's why that 13 point game happened (and also, LU scored a touchdown right before the end of the game, it was 33-13 at one point). Also, though off topic, Bill Stewart single handedly wrecked Noel Devine's career.

I also didn't mean to say Stewart was a moron in that game, but that he was a moron in EVERY game.

[BJWilliams]

But BJ... here's the point. Look at the FBS teams we have played under Rocco.

Toledo in 2007: Toledo finished just above .500, due to their extremely weak schedule. Lost every game against tougher opposition (if you even consider W. Mich, Buffalo, and Kansas just that.)

2009: West Virginia. Don't even get me started on how much Bill Stewart made that game close. Yes we played well, I attended that game (and yes I risked my life wearing red and sitting with the WVU season ticket holders of which my parents are (and in full disclosure I go to WVU games whenever Liberty has a bye, or Away and there is no TV)). But Bill Stewart was the biggest moron... okay I'll just stop there.

2010: Ball State. Yep, we won. But cmon. It's Ball State. I suppose an argument that could be made in your favor would be their blowout of the much overrated SE Missouri State.

Before the era of Rocco, of course the simple answer to that is that we stunk.

NC State, while not the best team, isn't any of the 3 teams I've listed here. Truth is I think we will finish the game within 10-17 points of NCSU. And I do believe we have an outside chance to win. It's possible. But to say it's a toss up... that's a bit too much koolaid for my liking.

I realize it's easy to go on to libertyflames.com and look at the 700 irrelevant facts about conferences and random statistical abstracts that are posted after the preview of the game. No offense to anyone, but just because Liberty since Rocco has coached has beaten teams with the letter A by an average of 15.4 points per game, doesn't mean that Liberty will beat Alabama.

I don't mean any disrespect to you BJ.

You do realize jbock that when you say you dont mean to do something, the majority of the time youre doing the exact thing you are saying that you dont mean to do...the point I was making is that we have been a different team in FBS games under Coach Rocco.

[SuperJon]

Staying within 14-20 points shows that we can compete. It does not show that a game against an ACC school is a toss-up.

Why can't Liberty fans be realistic? Why must they be on top of the world or at the bottom of the ocean?

[BJWilliams]

Jon...Ive said already that this game will probably be seen as a longshot for us...As I said in the quoted section below, they have quite a few new starters all over the field, add to that the fact that their ACC opener is the very next weekend and there's a nice recipe for an upset.

Here is what I said at the tail end of my post (something that apparently has been glossed over by most people):

Liberty, Stony Brook and GWU could all steal games from FBS teams as I see it. Gardner-Webb and Liberty beat MAC teams last year and with NC State breaking in a lot of new pieces they could steal the game in Raleigh.

[thepostman]

BJ how can you say its a toss up and then in the very same post say its a long shot? Those 2 things can not co-exist.

[ProudPapa73]

Every season, we hear the same thing. No FBS team is taking the FCS schools lightly this year. And invariably every season, an FCS team, or two, or three pull off the win. The real error in that annual mantra is that there are a number of FCS schools that match up very well with their FBS counterpart, both on the field and in the coaching ranks as well.
Add it all up and throw in a little "any given Saturday" magic and BOOM, a draw dropping headline is made! It can happen. And with our team it very well may!

[BJWilliams]

BJ how can you say its a toss up and then in the very same post say its a long shot? Those 2 things can not co-exist.

I'll fix it and hopefully itll make more sense

[g-webb1994]

1. LU 6-0
2. CCU 5-1
3. G-W 4-2
4. SBU 3-3
5. CSU 2-4
6. VMI 1-5
7. PC 0-6