[jcmanson]

So who are the 3 or 4 teams that have more talent than us on our schedule? I'll give you NC State and JMU. Where's the other 1 or 2?

[jcmanson]

So does E.L. Estes get a raise?

[From the class of 09]

So who are the 3 or 4 teams that have more talent than us on our schedule? I'll give you NC State and JMU. Where's the other 1 or 2?

I'm not completely sold that JMU does either but it does become pretty subjective at a point.

[jcmanson]

If this kid works out, we will have 2 outstanding talents at CB for the next 3 years! That's huge! Completely changes the way we can play defense.

[jcmanson]

So who are the 3 or 4 teams that have more talent than us on our schedule? I'll give you NC State and JMU. Where's the other 1 or 2?

I'm not completely sold that JMU does either but it does become pretty subjective at a point.

I agree, but if he's saying there's 3 or 4 on our schedule then I know he's counting JMU. And for the sake of the argument, I'll give him that one. Who are the other 2? Certainly not anyone in the Big South. RMU??? Lehigh??? If he thinks that, this kid doesn't know what he's talking about.

[LUnpretty11]

... The reason why VT & Michigan are pro to losing those games is because they're stuck with the attitude of "our state is better than yours." Neither of those teams recruit top talent because neither of those teams like to venture to opposite sides of the country. They still have more talent than most of the country, however they leave themselves very prone to choking. Practically all SEC schools are competing for recruits nationwide, top talent. From Kentucky to Florida to Alabama, no school has bias towards their respective state. The main reason why I want to see this kid play is because I don't want our staff or alumni to fall into the trap VT and UVA fell into. Look at the SEC, point one game out where a not as talented team beat them.

Disagree with all of this. Especially the bold. Please back up that blind statement with some facts. Sure Tech does a lot of in-state recruiting, but you're throwing Michigan into that fold, and Hoke and co. are working on one of the best classes Michigan has seen in a long LONG time. UVA isn't any good because Beamer is producing a premier program year in and year out, so the top in-state recruits want to go to Tech where they know they will win.

Also, Jacksonville State BEAT Ole Miss last year. That's an FCS team over an BCS FBS team. Georgia lost to UCF (who is an up and coming program I realize this, but UCF is not as or more talented than UGA) in their bowl game last year. Those are 2 examples without even looking them up. I'm sure 5 minutes of research would pull up even more examples.

[LUnpretty11]

The only team on our schedule that is more talented than us is NC State. JMU may have a better defense than us, but overall, I believe we're more talented. I understand manson allowing JMU into the discussion for arguments sake, but truthfully, they're not.

[NG33]

I actually do think JMU is more talented than us. We've lost 2 years in a row to them. They were picked the finish 2nd this year in the CAA, and until we finally beat them I'll think they are the better team. Also, don't be so quick to discredit Lehigh. They had a good team last year and beat a Very good Northern Iowa team in the playoffs. They could very well be our Bobby Mo game of this year.

[LUnpretty11]

Fair points NG.

Also, Ayers was the top recruit for GT in 2010. That's pretty sick.

[BJWilliams]

To be completely honest I dont really think JMU is far and away better as you seem to NG...they only beat us 10-3 in Harrisonburg last year and when they won in 2009 it was a deluge and we couldnt pass the ball which made us one dimensional. We get both aspects of the offense humming, I think we can pull it off. Lehigh...yeah they won 9 games last year and beat UNI, but Im not totally high on the Patriot League, and I am pretty certain that Coach Rocco is going to impress very hard in the players the importance of each and every game and wont allow them to overlook anyone so I dont think itll turn out like Robert Morris did last year.

[jcmanson]

I actually do think JMU is more talented than us. We've lost 2 years in a row to them. They were picked the finish 2nd this year in the CAA, and until we finally beat them I'll think they are the better team. Also, don't be so quick to discredit Lehigh. They had a good team last year and beat a Very good Northern Iowa team in the playoffs. They could very well be our Bobby Mo game of this year.

I agree Lehigh is a very good team and will be tough to beat. I wouldn't call them our "Bobby Mo" game this year because they are a legit top 20 team. But I don't think they are more talented than us. I think they have a very good system with a lot of smart, experienced, and well-coached kids.

Talent-wise we are a top 5-10 team. Our depth, coaching, intangibles, etc. will determine how good we really are.

[NG33]

I agree Lehigh is a very good team and will be tough to beat. I wouldn't call them our "Bobby Mo" game this year because they are a legit top 20 team. But I don't think they are more talented than us. I think they have a very good system with a lot of smart, experienced, and well-coached kids.

Talent-wise we are a top 5-10 team. Our depth, coaching, intangibles, etc. will determine how good we really are.

I can definitely agree with that manson. I just called it our Bobby Mo game because a lot of people seemed to be overlooking our game aginst them.

To be completely honest I dont really think JMU is far and away better as you seem to NG...they only beat us 10-3 in Harrisonburg last year and when they won in 2009 it was a deluge and we couldnt pass the ball which made us one dimensional. We get both aspects of the offense humming, I think we can pull it off. Lehigh...yeah they won 9 games last year and beat UNI, but Im not totally high on the Patriot League, and I am pretty certain that Coach Rocco is going to impress very hard in the players the importance of each and every game and wont allow them to overlook anyone so I dont think itll turn out like Robert Morris did last year.

We said that in 08 and we lost to Presby. We said that in 09 and lost to SBU. We said that last year and lost to Coastal and Robert Morris. I think we were better than all 4 of those teams and that we wouldn't overlook them, but it happened anyway. I'm hoping this year is different. Heck I picked LU to go 6-0 in conference, but I'm not extremely confident that it will happen.

Also, my point previous point wasn't to say JMU was necessarily far more talented than us, but that the case could definitely be made that they are more talented than us.

[bradyfan]

So who are the 3 or 4 teams that have more talent than us on our schedule? I'll give you NC State and JMU. Where's the other 1 or 2?

NC State definitely. JMU could have a two to three future NFL players. Furthermore, the only reason we should have any advantage over JMU is because that game is at home. JMU certainly is more talented then we are. We might match up well with Lehigh as far as pure talent is concerned but they are much deeper than we are. Robert Morris is an interesting team and I do think we are more talented than they are. However, I think they're exteremly underrated, they beat us last year and I wouldn't be surprised if they got to us this year too.

Michigan's recruiting class might look good now but let's see what happens when they actually play. Michigan, Notre Dame and UVA for whatever reason get a ton of love from Scouts, Rivals and ESPN. I'm not sure why but they always have "good" recruiting classes. When Michigan & Notre Dame get to a decent bowl and when UVA can beat Duke, we'll talk. For now though, their recruiting classes have consisted of nothing but two stars who became five stars onced they signed with those respective schools.

Sure the SEC will lose a couple of those games. However, what I'm getting at is that 85% of their conference won't choke, at all, in any given season. Sure Miss. St. and UGA choked but UGA is quickly becoming the cupcake of the SEC. You can't take Miss. St. and UGA and tell me that the SEC isn't the premier conference in all of college football.

The point is that you can win games without talent but you'll never maximize your potential without the best players.

[NG33]

...UGA is quickly becoming the cupcake of the SEC...

UGA's first bad season in 14 years and they are all of a sudden the cupcake of the SEC?

[LUnpretty11]

I never said the SEC wasn't the premier conference in college football. Also to say UGA is slowly becoming the cupcake of the SEC is a joke. You do not follow SEC football or UGA football if you are making a statement like that. Also, it was Ole Miss, not Miss St.

If you actually look at Michigan's recruiting class, you'll see that they have more out of state recruits than in-state. That was the point I was trying to make. Also, you can be as opinionated as you want to be on 2-stars becoming 5-stars, but that's just not true. The reason why a lot of those recruits haven't amounted to as much for UofM is because of the coaching. Hopefully Hoke will be able to come in and change all that. I'm pretty confident he will.

Really not sure where you're coming from? You're trying to throw UVA in the same category as UofM and ND (and where did the ND argument come from?). To place UVA in the same category as perennial powerhouses is a joke. Especially in the same recruiting category.

[LUnpretty11]

THANK YOU NG!!!

[LUnpretty11]

... UVA also had a really good recruiting year by almost any measure. They have a lot of rebuilding to do from the Groh era, but they are definitely heading in the right direction.
..

True. Good point. Headed in the right direction. Not in the same conversation as the powerhouses sweat mentioned.

[jcmanson]

... UVA also had a really good recruiting year by almost any measure. They have a lot of rebuilding to do from the Groh era, but they are definitely heading in the right direction.
..

True. Good point. Headed in the right direction. Not in the same conversation as the powerhouses sweat mentioned.

pretty sweat

see what i did there

[LUnpretty11]

Well if you wouldn't have typed that in .5 font then I might be able to read it! Haha

[NG33]

THANK YOU NG!!!

I got you bro

[BJWilliams]

... UVA also had a really good recruiting year by almost any measure. They have a lot of rebuilding to do from the Groh era, but they are definitely heading in the right direction.
..

True. Good point. Headed in the right direction. Not in the same conversation as the powerhouses sweat mentioned.

pretty sweat

see what i did there

yeah...but you do realize that you are using the wrong word form?

[jcmanson]

thanks Beej!

[BJWilliams]

I'm pretty sure it was intentional.

sounds like it...I just figured Id say it before Cider did

[Kolzilla41]

Yeah definitely wasn't a lack of talent that has done us in. I also would argue that CB is actually quite a bit more complex than not letting a WR beat you and intercept the ball. You need to understand offenses, read offenses, know the routes likely to be run, etc etc. Speed and athleticism are important of course, but it's not a simple position.

Every position has that though. The two toughest positions are linebacker and quarterback.

As for the JMU didn't have more talent than VT argument: I'm not saying that just having talent wins football games first of all. Second of all, yeah JMU can beat VT once and App. St. can beat Michigan once. It happens. Just like we can win 6-9 games every year. However, it takes something more than experience or smarts to have a truly winning team. The reason why VT & Michigan are pro to losing those games is because they're stuck with the attitude of "our state is better than yours." Neither of those teams recruit top talent because neither of those teams like to venture to opposite sides of the country. They still have more talent than most of the country, however they leave themselves very prone to choking. Practically all SEC schools are competing for recruits nationwide, top talent. From Kentucky to Florida to Alabama, no school has bias towards their respective state. The main reason why I want to see this kid play is because I don't want our staff or alumni to fall into the trap VT and UVA fell into. Look at the SEC, point one game out where a not as talented team beat them.

JSU versus Ole Miss...last year!

[flamesfilmguy]

Yeah definitely wasn't a lack of talent that has done us in. I also would argue that CB is actually quite a bit more complex than not letting a WR beat you and intercept the ball. You need to understand offenses, read offenses, know the routes likely to be run, etc etc. Speed and athleticism are important of course, but it's not a simple position.

Every position has that though. The two toughest positions are linebacker and quarterback.

As for the JMU didn't have more talent than VT argument: I'm not saying that just having talent wins football games first of all. Second of all, yeah JMU can beat VT once and App. St. can beat Michigan once. It happens. Just like we can win 6-9 games every year. However, it takes something more than experience or smarts to have a truly winning team. The reason why VT & Michigan are pro to losing those games is because they're stuck with the attitude of "our state is better than yours." Neither of those teams recruit top talent because neither of those teams like to venture to opposite sides of the country. They still have more talent than most of the country, however they leave themselves very prone to choking. Practically all SEC schools are competing for recruits nationwide, top talent. From Kentucky to Florida to Alabama, no school has bias towards their respective state. The main reason why I want to see this kid play is because I don't want our staff or alumni to fall into the trap VT and UVA fell into. Look at the SEC, point one game out where a not as talented team beat them.

JSU versus Ole Miss...last year!

To add to this point... 2 weeks after beating Ole Miss JSU was literally inches away from losing to my current employer the start up GSU panthers. had our tight end's shoe size been 2 sizes smaller he would have been in bounds for the game winning TD. Just goes to show that there are plenty of times every year where heart, guts, and sheer will to win can overcome the lack of "talent".