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#349262
Alum, you know what I like about you? No amount of facts can change your opinion. Your point is fact, and even though you can't prove it, everyone else is crazy.

Good logic my friend. Good logic.

As for the DADT issue, it does sound like some of the things some in LU would say (not the university as a whole). Although I was against repealing DADT, using "scare tactics" is not the way to persuade others to your opinion.

As for Godwin, let be clear I don't have any personal knowledge but what has been said on here so I cannot judge him or have an opinion on him. All I can say is that Alum, you truly love this guy, and he can do no wrong. The Bible says that we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. He's not perfect, and none of us are. Thank God for him grace to us all.
#349280
back2back, I don't know what you posted so I don't know if you broke any school rules or not. I am sure that you were not punished unless you did break some rules so, whether you were called in or not doesn't matter. This whole discussion started (I think) when someone said that former students were in fear of retaliation from Liberty and that is why they spoke anonymously in some sketchy blog about the law school. My point was that it was ridiculous for former students to fear retaliation from Liberty and that they were likely speaking anonymously either because they were lying or because they had no guts. Then, you guys start all this nonsense about being called into the dean's office for posting something on FF while you were students. If a Liberty employee posts confidential information about LU on here, I believe the school should call that person in and discuss it. If a Liberty student says something disrespectful or out of order, I would hope the deans would call that student in to, at least, discuss his or her attitude. jbock13, I have said on here that Godwin has sinned like the rest of us, that he has repented and seems to be doing fine now. I have scorned certain posters who are unwilling to forgive him and who say over and over that they know for a fact that they or someone else has been retaliated against by Godwin without giving specifics. The gossip just needs to stop. If somebody wrongs you, go to that person and try to make things right. If that person refuses, then I guess he or she deserves to be gossiped about on this board. In other words, just grow up a little, guys.
#349284
alum82....You admitted you don't know why i was called in, but nonetheless should have been called in. :dontgetit

also, I never said anything about Liberty, so them calling me in as a representative of Liberty in that capacity should be prohibited. Think of a preacher having a business and you don't like the way he runs the business. That does not mean a preacher should corner me at church for something outside of the church that is irrelevant or is supposed to be irrelevant with their capacity as a preacher.

So, can you please explain why I should have been called into the office of a dean of the school for something not related to Liberty that was not a violation of the Liberty Way? and please try
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#349298
back2back, you misunderstood the first part of my last post. I was saying that I didn't know why you were called in. I wasn't clear but my intent was to agree with you that I didn't know whether you should have been punished or not. The last part of my earlier post should not have said that you should have been called in. It was late and I was tired when I wrote that one. But, if you were accused of something that might have been in violation of the Liberty Way or, if you were simply displaying a bad attitude, I wouldn't respect Liberty if they didn't call you in. Being called in is not punishment. It is a way of showing concern for students and helping them. At least it was when I was at LU.

BYD, good job! Don't you feel better?
#349299
alum82 wrote:This whole discussion started (I think) when someone said that former students were in fear of retaliation from Liberty and that is why they spoke anonymously in some sketchy blog about the law school. My point was that it was ridiculous for former students to fear retaliation from Liberty and that they were likely speaking anonymously either because they were lying or because they had no guts.
The real issue is, they never should have been put in that position in the first place; having to choose between a good grade and truth, particularly at a Christian School. And, after all, the law is the law, and it is a Law School!

I'm a former LU student who posts anonymously on a blog called "FlameFans". Does that make me a liar? What about you?

Also, it is their choice to remain anonymous, not yours. Not every anonymous quote is a lie. Maybe they just didn't want not to go on the record trashing the university because they love the school, but wanted to make an issue known. Or maybe they are just lying, because they.... ....they, uh, ....I can't think of a good reason unless the reporter handed them $100 and said, "Lie to Me" (which would be a more serious issue with our students integrity). Or maybe they hate/hold a grudge against the school, which is doubtful, because then they wouldn't be there for Law School. Maybe the reporter made up the whole article? I'd buy that before accusing our Law Students and Alums of lying.
By alum82
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#349302
Maybe the reporter made up the whole article? I'd buy that before accusing our Law Students and Alums of lying.[/quote]


Given the reputation of the reporter, I think this scenario is much more likely. I said that in an earlier post, probably on another thread.

The only reason I mentioned the possibility that our former students insisted on anonymity because they were lying or because they were gutless was because other posters were saying what a shame it was that these poor former students had to remain anonymous because that evil, mean LU might retaliate against them. That line of thinking is so naive and is exactly the reaction this anti-LU reporter was hoping to invoke.
#349304
alum82 wrote: Given the reputation of the reporter, I think this scenario is much more likely. I said that in an earlier post, probably on another thread.

I am telling you from speaking to about 50% from the 2011 graduating class that the test was real and that the grading was done that way. One student even said that their worst grade was that class and their other grades were top of the class.
alum82 wrote: The only reason I mentioned the possibility that our former students insisted on anonymity because they were lying or because they were gutless was because other posters were saying what a shame it was that these poor former students had to remain anonymous because that evil, mean LU might retaliate against them. That line of thinking is so naive and is exactly the reaction this anti-LU reporter was hoping to invoke.
I spoke with a poster and a former Law professor (fired, this year after being at LU since the doors opened) that the dean, not LU in general, has retaliated against students for voicing their concern about the direction of the school or about what that person in authority was doing that was absolutely not Christian. It is sad that people feel that way, but there is a reason for it. When someone can control your future, odds are you can't stand up to them because of retaliation.
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#349347
I spoke with a poster and a former Law professor (fired, this year after being at LU since the doors opened) that the dean, not LU in general, has retaliated against students for voicing their concern about the direction of the school or about what that person in authority was doing that was absolutely not Christian. It is sad that people feel that way, but there is a reason for it. When someone can control your future, odds are you can't stand up to them because of retaliation.[/quote]

There was a professor that was fired earlier this year. If it is the same guy, he is a certifiable lunatic who has never held a job for very long anywhere, I am told. After he was let go this Spring, he wrote rambling e mails to many law students accusing the leadership of the law school of all sorts of ridiculous stuff. I know two of those law students who told me that, after reading his e mails, they understood why he was let go. They said the guy is completely nuts!
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#349353
Wrongfully terminated? And how could you possibly know someone was wrongfully terminated? Oh yeah, a disgruntled former employee told you he was. Of course, it must be true. You should post gossip like that on a message board without checking its accuracy with the administration. Wow, BYD, with loyal fans like you, LU doesn't need enemies!
#349354
If the guy is so bad, why was he hired here? The professor was hired before this dean, so you're information is lacking any analysis to your conclusion that he is a nut. Apparently LU law has some students who feel that whatever the administration does is always correct, which is fine, but that does not mean they're the voice of all the students. I started contacting more than 50 plus law students who said it was the dean and not the professor who is the absolute nut. The term narcissist was thrown around by several, so I take that opinion more than 2 students who probably interned for that very dean at his law firm. However, most said it was a pissing contest between these two grown men with big egos. Not surprising.

I love talking to you alum about this, but I really think you are the type that would argue against some stating something as simple as "the sky is blue" if that statement is against LU. That is sad, because as Christians, we should be able to identify with the power of sin (Ron Godwin again) and what it can do to a place like LU. Sometimes I feel LU has lost what Jerry defined as "if it's Christian, it should be better" with "If it is Christian, it should be bigger." This is just what I have noticed, and that situation is a good example. Also, the professor was fired half-way through the semester, and students felt they were at a disadvantage because of it.
By alum82
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#349423
Sorry, back2back, but it was Jerry who dreamed of 50,000 resident students. Sounds pretty BIG to me.

I see that you have become a disciple of a disgruntled former employee so I know it is hopeless to try to reason with you but you really should meet with Ron Godwin if you have a problem with anything he has done in the past. And you should meet with Mat Staver to hear his side of the story and to hear how he helped LUSOL gain full accreditation in record time from the ABA (not an easy thing to do if you are a nut). Another law school just failed to obtain full accreditation after much effort.

That is the approach Jesus taught in Matthew. You don't have any issues with Jesus, do you?
#349424
Sorry, back2back, but it was Jerry who dreamed of 50,000 resident students. Sounds pretty BIG to me.
Jerry also said, "If its Christian it should be better." I think B2B's point was it can seem we're sacrificing better for bigger, instead of acknowleding that neither are mutually exclusive and that you can move forward with the two goals in cohesion.

At least, that's what I think B2B meant.

Anyway, carry on.
#349432
alum82 wrote:Sorry, back2back, but it was Jerry who dreamed of 50,000 resident students. Sounds pretty BIG to me.

I see that you have become a disciple of a disgruntled former employee so I know it is hopeless to try to reason with you but you really should meet with Ron Godwin if you have a problem with anything he has done in the past. And you should meet with Mat Staver to hear his side of the story and to hear how he helped LUSOL gain full accreditation in record time from the ABA (not an easy thing to do if you are a nut). Another law school just failed to obtain full accreditation after much effort.

That is the approach Jesus taught in Matthew. You don't have any issues with Jesus, do you?
Once again Alum, you're just making assumptions that you don't know.
#349433
alum82 wrote:Sorry, back2back, but it was Jerry who dreamed of 50,000 resident students. Sounds pretty BIG to me.

I see that you have become a disciple of a disgruntled former employee so I know it is hopeless to try to reason with you but you really should meet with Ron Godwin if you have a problem with anything he has done in the past. And you should meet with Mat Staver to hear his side of the story and to hear how he helped LUSOL gain full accreditation in record time from the ABA (not an easy thing to do if you are a nut). Another law school just failed to obtain full accreditation after much effort.

That is the approach Jesus taught in Matthew. You don't have any issues with Jesus, do you?
When you mentioned Jerry, I thought you were going to acknowledge that he hired this professor. Maybe instead of thinking I am someone's disciple, which I am not, maybe I just met plenty of disgruntled students who got tired of a militant style Seventh Day Adventist trying to force them into believing we should be a theocracy. From what I have read and heard from law students, the man would spend most of his time involved with his law firm and was not really a full-time dean. I wouldn't know, I don't watch him.

What makes you think i haven't met both of them??? You do realize that Staver came in and was not the founding dean, right? Also, common sense says one man could not do this alone. Most students attribute the accreditation to the faculty and staff. You know, the people who teach the classes and the staff who makes things possible for adequate research and help ensure the school does it's part to keep up with the ABA. but I guess he could do all that, be a dean and a public figure at the same time....

Sounds like someone can't accept reality.... :lol:
#349459
BuryYourDuke wrote:
back2back wrote: When you mentioned Jerry, I thought you were going to acknowledge that he hired this professor. Maybe instead of thinking I am someone's disciple, which I am not, maybe I just met plenty of disgruntled students who got tired of a militant style Seventh Day Adventist trying to force them into believing we should be a theocracy. From what I have read and heard from law students, the man would spend most of his time involved with his law firm and was not really a full-time dean. I wouldn't know, I don't watch him.

What makes you think i haven't met both of them??? You do realize that Staver came in and was not the founding dean, right? Also, common sense says one man could not do this alone. Most students attribute the accreditation to the faculty and staff. You know, the people who teach the classes and the staff who makes things possible for adequate research and help ensure the school does it's part to keep up with the ABA. but I guess he could do all that, be a dean and a public figure at the same time....

Sounds like someone can't accept reality.... :lol:

:clapping
You are the one that keeps attacking Staver when I am not even defending Staver. I am just repeatedly suggesting that you follow the Biblical mandate to confront Staver personally if you have an issue instead of gossiping about him. I don't know what reality you think I can't accept since I am not defending anyone, just questioning the veracity of all the trash that you two clowns choose to believe and the rumors you continue to spread in an un-Christian manner.
#349460
Just for the record, I think the law school dean is a little extreme in his conservative views but a little extremism among faculty is the norm at most colleges. Have you read about the former dean of the Yale Law School who now works for Obama? He is in the same camp with Osama Bin Laden.
#349461
ATrain wrote:
Sorry, back2back, but it was Jerry who dreamed of 50,000 resident students. Sounds pretty BIG to me.
Jerry also said, "If its Christian it should be better." I think B2B's point was it can seem we're sacrificing better for bigger, instead of acknowleding that neither are mutually exclusive and that you can move forward with the two goals in cohesion.

At least, that's what I think B2B meant.

Anyway, carry on.
I agree, BYD. Must have quality along with quantity. But, this is not a discussion about quality. B2B pulled that one out of his hat. Somehow he tried to imply that his disagreement with Staver's and Godwin's tactics was somehow evidence that LU wasn't improving the quality of its programs.
:?:
#349462
So now I am a clown...well as long as I make people laugh

Oh and here is a letter from that "Clinical nut" that was fired by Staver. Apparently that nut was doing the Christian thing, too bad the dean couldnt.
Dear student in Property II and Real Estate Transactions and Development,

You deserve to know the truth of what is transpiring in regards to my removal from the classroom and the law school yesterday. I will give a brief glimpse of the truth from my humble perspective.

1. On 15 December 2010, I attended a meeting with Dean Staver regarding my annual review. In that meeting I learned that my tenure-track contract would not be renewed next year for the reason that I have not published two law review articles. I shared with Dean Staver, rather emotionally, of my struggle to accomplish any long term project with no fixed deadlines. I shared with him from my heart about my recent diagnosis of ADHD that explained much to me about my struggles in this area and other areas. The Dean indicated to me that he needed to “get the committee back together” to discuss my situation giving me some hope that he would offer some non-tenure track alternative to allow me to keep teaching at the law school.
2. Instead, on 12 January 2011 I received a certified letter from the Provost, signed on 16 December 2010 that indicated my contract would not be renewed.
3. Dean Staver has not communicated to me since then regarding any alternative to my teaching in the law school next year similar to what he has worked out with a colleague who is also in his 7th year and who has published only one law review article.
4. I also learned that Professor Nancy Kippenhan, in her 5th year at the law school was not being offered a contract next year. I will not address her matter since it is personal to her.
5. Early this week, a faculty member forwarded me a document, received from a student, which contained Dean Staver’s rebuttal to a recent circulating email. Dean Staver’s document was in .pdf format and contained his comments highlighted in yellow. One item in that document dealt with a matter dear to my heart involving the firing of a secretary in the law school in January of 2007. Her name is Patti Carver.
6. I hand delivered a letter to Dean Staver’s office on Tuesday in obedience to Christ’s command to us in the gospel of Matthew. The letter is appended below and I made it abundantly clear that it involved a personal spiritual matter brother to brother.
7. On Wednesday morning of this week I was called into the Provost’s office and told that the January 15th procedure was causing trouble for them since the faculty that were being non-renewed were still present at the school and it was better if I be removed from my teaching duties. I once again confronted Dean Staver regarding my Matthew 18 letter in front of the Provost, as witness, and Dean Staver maintained his story regarding Patti Carver. Later that day I received an email from Dean Staver asking me to turn in my door badge and key and make arrangements with Dean Weigand to collect my personal belongings. That is all I know at present. My letter below will explain the rest.
8. I have not been told I cannot communicate with my students and in fact the channels within Blackboard seem to remain open to me to do so. Please continue to pray.



See letter attached as page 2 and 3.



Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Dear Mat,

Jesus said, “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. Matthew 18: 15-17

I am pained beyond words that my years of dedicated labor on behalf of the law school have come to this sad end. I believe I deserve better, and that my family deserves better. Yes, I have not published two law review articles; however, even on this point I am deeply troubled by an obvious lack of personal interest in my well-being and the ongoing contribution I might yet have made had you or other senior faculty members gone the extra mile to remind, encourage, or even cajole me into doing what I found more than usually difficult to accomplish, especially with the new-found knowledge I humbly shared with you in December of my recently diagnosed Attention Deficit Disorder. However, this letter is not about me.

It is also not a letter between a faculty member and a law school dean, but between two brothers in Christ. From almost the time you arrived as Interim Dean, I have observed with increasing dismay that you have spoken often of the imperative to practice the spirit of Matthew 18 in all matters concerning the law school, but I have never witnessed you having practiced it. Members of both the faculty and the staff have been dismissed summarily without so much as a word or a prayer.

In the spirit and letter of Matthew 18, I tell you as kindly as I know how that no Spirit-led follower of Christ would operate as you operate. I, better than anyone, can attest to how you treated Patty Carver. As you are aware, you stood face to face with me in my office one day in March of 2007 and stated, “Morry, what would you have done, she was insubordinate.” Yet you covered up the lie and caused numerous other well qualified employees to leave employment at the law school because of your sin. Furthermore, this week a faculty member forwarded to me a response you authored concerning a circulating email in which you still maintain the lie regarding the firing of Patty Carver. This is not merely a difference in management style, but purely and simply sin. This was a young woman whose only offense was to say “Who’s next?” upon word that you had fired one the most qualified and admired professors in the law school. Presently you are non-renewing Prof. Nancy Kippenhan after many years of excellent teaching and co-curricular service to the law school. I view this as sin as well but I choose to only focus on your ongoing lie regarding Patty Carver at present.

Jesus commands us to love. The fact that I cannot throw stones as Jesus commanded - does not relieve me of the responsibility to point out your faults, brother to brother, for the sake of the Kingdom and for your own eternal well-being in accordance with Matthew 18. I am calling on you to repent for your actions.

You may choose to dismiss this letter as unworthy revenge or rationalization of my own faults; however, this is a spiritual letter, spiritually motivated, with a spiritual goal solely in mind. I come to you by way of a letter rather than personally only because I wish the effect not to be colored by any personal conversation which might lead to anything either of us might live to regret. Yet I would welcome the opportunity to sit down with you face-to-face, in the presence of other brothers you and I wish to include, to search our souls and pray together—no longer as adversaries—but as two weak and frail brothers working out our salvation through the commands of Jesus.

I choose not to meet with you alone anymore in the future.

I shall be in sincere and earnest prayer as I await your response.


Morry Osborn
#349463
I figured you were either this faculty member or closely tied to him. Now, you have proven it.

These are the more sane e mails that this guy sent. He became more and more crazed and irrational as time went on. Try to find the later communications if you want to be fair and balanced.

By the way, it was Bruce Green who hired this guy (or you), not Jerry.
#349468
alum82 wrote:I figured you were either this faculty member or closely tied to him. Now, you have proven it.

These are the more sane e mails that this guy sent. He became more and more crazed and irrational as time went on. Try to find the later communications if you want to be fair and balanced.

By the way, it was Bruce Green who hired this guy (or you), not Jerry.
Actually I am not him nor do I have any ties to him....I just got all of this from people who are sick and tired of the dean.
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#349469
Then please get your group together and let LU's leadership know of your concerns! They might agree with you. You never know. All the people you are complaining about (Godwin, Staver, etc.) were Jerry Sr.'s lieutenants but he is no longer with us.
#349471
Here is another e-mail someone sent me....Another interesting read, but it is rather long. and sorry alum, I wrote none of this.....
The Legacy of Liberty Council School of Law (LCSOL) in Lynchburg,
Virginia formerly known as Liberty School of Law:
A recent history of LCSOL by The Coalition Of Former Law Students For Truth and Posterity
1 Corinthians 4:12, 13 "..when we are cursed we bless, when we arepersecuted we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly."
Mark 11:25 "..if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

2007 -
(Note see Prof. Rickert(s) information at end)
Mat Staver is appointed, rather than selected by a Liberty Commitee, as the Dean under questionable circumstances that creates dissention among faculty and students. (He drives a nice BMW with Florida license plates and parks in a custom parking space labeled, "Chairman of Liberty Council")

Professor F. LaGard Smith, veteran Christian law professor and Christian Author, is fired in December for calling into question Dean Staver's integrity and the selection of Dean Staver as the new Dean. Professor Smith, who was well loved by his students, taught Criminal law which is a Bar Exam subject matter course.

A secretary, Patty Carver, impetuously asks, "Who is next to get fired?" after Dean Staver announces Professor Smith's firing in a meeting (see below regarding the firing of Patty Carver by Dean Staver).

Professor Jim Jeans dies of a heart attack during a faculty meeting at the law school. At the
memorial service for Professor Jim Jeans, Dr. Falwell, Sr., in front of all present including
Dean Staver, promises the widow of Professor Jeans, Professor S. Jeans that she "has a job at Liberty as long as she wants it" (see below regarding her firing by Dean Staver). A law school courtroom is named after Professor Jim Jeans and a portrait of our beloved Evidence professor is hung there to remember his legacy.

The first law school class, recruited under former Dean Bruce Green's leadership has a bar passage rate of over 90% nationwide.

Former LUSOL Dean Bruce Green's portrait is moved by Dean Staver to a location across from the Men's bathroom at LCSOL.

2008 -
Patty Carver, whose husband is a student in the seminary and fully supported by his wife's
job, is fired in January without any notice. Dean Staver says that Patty Carver was let go because of a lack of money in the budget.

Julie Boto, Director of Public Affairs and supervisor of Patty Carver quits the law school over
the firing of Patty Carver.

Dean Kim Parker is also fired in January without any notice.
The law school registrar is also fired in January without any notice.

Professor Beau Baez, a Liberty undergrad alumni, with a J.D. degree and an advanced law
degree from Georgetown law school leaves LCSOL over the lie regarding the firing of Patty
Carver and moves to Charlotte, N.C. to teach at Charlotte Law School where he is still teaching. Professor Baez, who was well loved by his students, taught Torts law which is a Bar Exam subject matter course.

The second law school class, recruited under founding Dean Bruce Green's leadership has a bar passage rate of over 90% nationwide.

2009 -
Professor Michael Deboer, a Liberty alumni, leaves the law school. He was one of two law professors on the Liberty Commitee to select a new Dean when Dean Staver was appointed outside of a normal selection procedure.

Jennifer Deboer, Head of Academic Support and a lawyer, leaves the law school. She was instrumental in coordinating our Bar Studies Course.

Dean Jory Fischer, one of the first law school professors is forced out of the law school with Dean Staver saying health was the reason. Students suspect otherwise.

Professor Todd Chasteen, Counsel formerly and presently for Samaritan's Purse in N.C. only teaches one year under Dean Staver's reign.

Shawn Akers replaces Jennifer Deboer as Head of Academic Support

Dean Staver appoints "Judge" Greg Baker, a disbarred Virginia judge with a past criminal
record for solicitation of a prostitute, to teach the Bar Studies Course to law students.

Dean Staver appoints "Judge" Baker to teach classes to law students. Curiously, "Judge"
Baker's name is not listed anywhere on the Faculty/Staff directory at LCSOL.

Dean Staver appoints non-lawyer and African American, the Honorable Ken Blackwell, to
teach a two week class in the summer and lists him as a Visiting Professor of Law at LCSOL.
The announcement is well advertised prior to ABA accreditation.

The first class under Dean Staver's reign as Dean has a bar passage rate of just over 70%
nationwide.

2010 -
Professor S. Jeans, a widow, is fired by Dean Staver in January notwithstanding the former promise by Dr. Jerry Falwell, Sr.

Professor Jim Jean's portrait is removed from outside of the courtroom and the courtroom is renamed.

Dean Staver replaces Professor S. Jeans, a widow, with a recent law school graduate.

Allison Keenan, Assistant Director of Admissions, is fired by Dean Staver.

Shawn Akers is appointed by Dean Staver to be the new Dean of the School of Government. He also holds the current title of Adjunct Assistant Professor of Law at LCSOL. (He drives a nice Jaguar with Louisiana license plates).

Dean Staver replaces Shawn Akers old position in Academic Support with a recent law student graduate.

Dean Staver appoints non-lawyer, medical doctor and African American, Deborah Honeycutt
to teach sometime and lists her as a Visiting Professor of Law at LCSOL. The announcement is well advertised prior to ABA accreditation.

"Judge" Greg Baker continues to teach the Bar Studies course and other courses at LCSOL
as an Adjunct Professor of Law. Curiously, "Judge" Baker's name is still not listed anywhere
on the Faculty/Staff directory at LCSOL.

LCSOL receives the great news of full accreditation by the ABA and Dean Staver is prominently featured on the cover of the Liberty Journal, standing upon what appears to be a replica of the Supreme Court bench.

The second class under Dean Staver's reign as Dean has a bar passage rate of just over 70% nationwide.

2011 -
Professor Nancy Kippenhan in her 5th year at LCSOL, is told by Dean Staver that she will not get a contract next year. She used to be in charge of the Assessment Day which gathered student comments regarding the state of the law school, which discovered widespread student concern about not having a full time Dean, the connection with Liberty Council and the lack of freedom of thought in the so-called "Foundations" classes. She used to be an advisor to the Law Review and the Moot Court Board before Dean Staver removed her from both positions.

Professor Morris Osborn in his 7th year at LCSOL, told by Dean Staver that he will not get a contract next year since he did not yet publish two scholarly articles. He was one of two law professors on the Liberty Commitee to select a new Dean when Dean Staver was appointed outside of a normal selection procedure. He is one of the first professors hired to teach at the law school. Professor Osborn teaches Property which is a Bar Exam subject matter course.

Professor Scott Thompson, Associate Professor of Law and Director of the Lawyering Skills Program, in his 7th year at LCSOL, told by Dean Staver that he will be demoted to an "instructor" in the law school next year since he did not yet publish two scholarly articles. He is one of the first professors hired to teach at the law school.

Dean Shawn Akers, appointed by Dean Staver as the new Dean at the Helms School of Government, informs School of Government Professor Michelle Rickert, the former Admission's director at what was then known as Liberty University School of Law, that her contract will not be renewed next year. Her husband, Paul Rickert is informed of the same news. The Rickert's have beautiful young kids and are well loved by all of their students. No reason is giving for their firing.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP
MAKE COPIES OF THIS HISTORY AND SPREAD THE NEWS ELECTRONICALLY ON
FACEBOOK OR OTHER SITES
CREATE A WEB PAGE TO SHARE THE GOOD NEWS THAT "IF IT'S CHRISTIAN IT
SHOULD BE BETTER!" by Chancellor Jerry Falwell, Jr. as quoted in the Liberty
Champion, July 6, 2010
ASK THE LIBERTY ADMINISTRATION AND BOARD OF REGENTS TO EXPLAIN THE
ABOVE TRUTHS
ASK THE LIBERTY ADMINISTRATION AND BOARD HOW THEY TOLERATE NON-CHRISTIAN
PRACTICES AT A "CHRISTIAN" UNIVERSITY
USE YOUR "FULCRUM OF THE LAW" TO BRING SIN TO LIGHT
This message was brought to you by The Coalition Of Former Law Students For Truth
and Posterity:
Look for future meeting dates and times on our new website which is forthcoming,
unless Dean Staver shuts down the Internet or sues to get us disbarred after
discovering any of our identities.
Our motto: "We've touch the Rock of Mt. Sinai and now we are hurling it at injustice
and narcissism!"
By alum82
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#349472
BuryYourDuke wrote:Yeah man, just go to Godwin and explain how wrong he and Staver were...that's sure to yield results.
Don't be so stupid, BYD. I said go to the leadership to complain about the former administration's lieutenants. The leadership is not Godwin, you idiot, he is one of the lieutenants. Sorry, but stupidity really makes me angry. Go to the top. If you really have factual evidence that someone in leadership has done what these disgruntled former employees claim, then I know LU's leadership will listen. The top folks at LU are a cut above all of this junk!
Last edited by alum82 on June 25th, 2011, 12:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
By alum82
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#349473
Now that you have published all of the disgruntled folks' lies, why don't you go to Dean Staver and get his side of the story? I think you will find that what you have posted is nothing but a pack of lies promulgated by folks who were incompetent and called out for their incompetence. That is what I found out when I looked into it. But, you really don't want to hear the other side of the story, do you? We all can see that you have an agenda and that you do not want to be confused by the real facts -- facts that you will never hear because you don't want to hear them. I don't have access to all the facts but I have heard them over dinner and, trust me, you are way off base!!
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