[PAmedic]

yoiks

[ALUmnus]

I don't have a problem with them teaching that, but I don't understand why there would be a test question asking what you would do "as a friend" and not "as a lawyer", and then being graded on it. That makes no sense to me.

[blwall1416]

I was more intrigued by the quotes of the students at the end of the article. Is that the norm or just a few students sounding off?

[ATrain]

I was more intrigued by the quotes of the students at the end of the article. Is that the norm or just a few students sounding off?

I know one that was hard-line conservative, homeschooled and the oldest of 11 kids (yeah, one of the more extreme fundamentalist families). When I saw him in Denver in January, he was definitely nowhere as far to the right as he was just a couple years ago when he started law school. Has also become quite the craft beer and wine connoisseur.

[ballah09]

Opinion grading SMH. I don't blame the students sounding their frustration. His way of teaching will get you laughed at out of the court room.

[blwall1416]

Has also become quite the craft beer and wine connoisseur.

I know a lot of former hard-liners that could now fall under the above category. Guess that means they're not Christian after all.

[BJWilliams]

Pardon me for being a stickler for proper English but its theyre...and I know a few people who are the same way...do I think they are any less Christian...no

[blwall1416]

Pardon me for being a stickler for proper English but its theyre...

Pardon me for being a stickler for proper English but it's they're...

[ALUmnus]

Our generation is losing it's taste for the culture wars. Bottom line, we are embracing real liberty.

"Real" liberty is only found in Christ. Seems what THEY'RE embracing is apathy and liberalism.

[flamehunter]

Obeying God's law over man's law is Biblical, whether it was part of the founding fathers' intention or ideology is irrelevant. Also, world culture is by definition alienated by God's word. They are diametrically opposed. I am tired of Christians saying we have to be friendly to the world so they will want to be "like us". We speak the truth in love (and show love to all) and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work.

Having said that, in this case to give legal counsel to break the law when I have a hard time seeing how the person in this case was forced to break God's laws is stretching the context of the scripture, to say the least. It is a decision each individual must make and to politicize it is wrong, IMHO. And to base a class grade on interpretation of it is ridiculous.

[jbock13]

Not the biggest fan of Staver and the Liberty Counsel/some in the law school.

That's all I'll be saying on this.

[jbock13]

I will agree that real liberty is only found in Christ. However, what I am arguing is that they aren't embracing liberalism, but the liberty found in the Constitution, the liberty inspired by the Declaration of Independence. Alienating culture to force Christian values on non-Christians isn't helping the cause of Christ, and it isn't supported by our nation's founding documents.

Amen BYD.

[ATrain]

Has also become quite the craft beer and wine connoisseur.

I know a lot of former hard-liners that could now fall under the above category. Guess that means they're not Christian after all.

Haha, not what I was implying. However, he went through LU's law school, and has gone from being a fundamentalist hardliner to a more moderate person.

[alum82]

Guys, wake up! Never take seriously the quotes of ANONYMOUS law students when the article is written by a hard core liberal LU-hater like Posner. I can't believe this group (except for BYD) fell for this ploy -- an anonymous mysterious "former student" is quoted -- and you guys immediately assume that the quotes are accurate and truthful. Come on. Why would a former student have to remain anonymous? Even if the person quoted was a current student, why would he or she be afraid to say publicly what he heard Mat Staver or Rena L say in class unless he or she was lying? If the truth was being told, then neither Staver nor Rena L would have any objection to being quoted. If the professors wanted to be stealthy, would they really openly state these things in class?

And BYD, keeping marriage laws so that they benefit only relationships that result in pro-creation and reproduction is not a religious position. If it was, then 80% of the American public wouldn't support the concept-- DUH.

[jbock13]

alum82, you seem to have sort of phobia of liberalism. If you don't agree with what's said, rather than arguing the merits, you just attack the messanger. Liberals aren't under your bed, and they have nothing really to do with this story. Yes, they are wrong philosophically, but just because they point out something about LU doesnt make them liberal.

The reason I must speak out on this is it seems this is how you act everytime BYD raises concerns about something, you call him a liberal and all this stuff. I couldn't care less about who's a liberal or not. Let's find out if this story is true or not, and we won't have to worry about where the boogie liberal is hiding.

Before you accuse me of being a liberal, I'm a libertarian.

[LUconn]

There are some posters on this board that are so quick to be embarrassed and ashamed by anything.

[blwall1416]

Haha, not what I was implying. However, he went through LU's law school, and has gone from being a fundamentalist hardliner to a more moderate person.

Yeah, I should have been more clear. I wasn't implying that about you, rather the people that have that particular viewpoint.

[jcmanson]

There are some posters on this board that are so quick to be embarrassed and ashamed by anything.

true

[Sly Fox]

There are some posters on this board that are so quick to be embarrassed and ashamed by anything.

Word.

[back2back]

Yawn....I was enjoying the discussion. please continue. Alumnus82, you are incorrect....really, youre wrong in this case.

BYD, you just have to remember that we all dont agree with everything one person can say. I agree/disagree with plenty of things you say. Liberal....

Manson, Luconn, you guys must like people looking down on LU

From what I have been told and from what I have seen, this was a real exam and those are real quotes from the students.....

Let's continue...

[WinterIsComing]

Guys, wake up! Never take seriously the quotes of ANONYMOUS law students when the article is written by a hard core liberal LU-hater like Posner. I can't believe this group (except for BYD) fell for this ploy -- an anonymous mysterious "former student" is quoted -- and you guys immediately assume that the quotes are accurate and truthful. Come on. Why would a former student have to remain anonymous? Even if the person quoted was a current student, why would he or she be afraid to say publicly what he heard Mat Staver or Rena L say in class unless he or she was lying? If the truth was being told, then neither Staver nor Rena L would have any objection to being quoted. If the professors wanted to be stealthy, would they really openly state these things in class?

You don't think there might be some sort of backlash from stating openly the truth? Covert or otherwise? There would be. Those students would be lucky to get out of LU Law with a diploma, let alone a recommendation.

[LUconn]

There are some posters on this board that are so quick to be embarrassed and ashamed by anything.

Are you referring to me?

Are you embarrassed by this?

[alum82]

Sorry, WIC, but how can a former student be denied a diploma? and, BYD, it is the oldest trick in the book to say, "FF posters send me PMs all the time because they are afraid to talk" or to quote an anonymous source in a story. It is just a ploy to create an atmosphere of suspicion and mystery. When you don't have hard facts, you say that someone else gave me this information but was afraid to speak for themselves. And, by the way, LUConn, I didn't call the reporter Posner "liberal" because of the attack on LU Law. I called Posner liberal because of his past work. Take a look for yourself. This reporter is not just a liberal but a real hater of conservatives. I can handle liberals. It is just the intolerant ones -- the ones that constantly belittle conservative Chrisitans and would deny conservative Christians any voice at all if given the chance -- that I go after in my posts. We really need to come up for a nickname for these types of liberals. They call anyone who supports traditional marriage homophobic. Any ideas what we should call them? Anti-Christianites? Christophobes? Bigots?

[WinterIsComing]

Sorry, WIC, but how can a former student be denied a diploma?

At the time, they were current students. The article states very plainly what happened to students who did not answer "correctly". Some of them, and this is just speculation, may have had to retake that course, costing them thousands, or possibly even withdraw from Law School.

But let's say nothing happened, the students continued and graduated. Now it's time to find a job or internship. A bad recommendation or no recommendation, particularly from the student's Law School, can sink that person in the law realm. And again, this is just speculation, but somethings tells me they'd have a hard time getting a recommendation now, or in the future, if they went "on the record".

[ATrain]

Sorry, WIC, but how can a former student be denied a diploma? and, BYD, it is the oldest trick in the book to say, "FF posters send me PMs all the time because they are afraid to talk" or to quote an anonymous source in a story. It is just a ploy to create an atmosphere of suspicion and mystery. When you don't have hard facts, you say that someone else gave me this information but was afraid to speak for themselves. And, by the way, LUConn, I didn't call the reporter Posner "liberal" because of the attack on LU Law. I called Posner liberal because of his past work. Take a look for yourself. This reporter is not just a liberal but a real hater of conservatives. I can handle liberals. It is just the intolerant ones -- the ones that constantly belittle conservative Chrisitans and would deny conservative Christians any voice at all if given the chance -- that I go after in my posts. We really need to come up for a nickname for these types of liberals. They call anyone who supports traditional marriage homophobic. Any ideas what we should call them? Anti-Christianites? Christophobes? Bigots?

You can support traditional marriage and still be in favor homosexual marriage. I fully support heterosexuals right to marry. However, when you start going against others right to marry, that's when you move into homophobia and bigotry. You have every right to say that you disagree with what goes on in the bedroom and call it immoral or whatever you want...but that doesn't mean you should be entitled to legally enforce that view on others.