[jcmanson]

manson, where are you hearing this from. I think there's always been a good bit of that to an extent. A lot of the people that i associate with from Liberty seemed to do it quite a bit when we were there. Now that were 4 years out most of us only remember the good teams. Are these younger (current students) face to face convos your having or?

No most of these are posted on facebook by alums.

[ALUmnus]

I would agree though that liberals also try to enforce their way of life on people. Just in a different, equally wrong way.

"Equally wrong", sounds like you're trying to push your morals on me.

[El Scorcho]

I wish I could reply to this post with something of substance.

[BJWilliams]

Flamebaiting wont garner you many supporters BYD...

[alum82]

Ban gay marriage? Are you serious, BYD? Now, I understand why your posts have been so strange since I started reading this board. Conservatives don't want to ban gay marriage. They want to protect traditional marriage. Traditional marriage laws recognize the uniqueness of the relationship between an unrelated man and woman and how that relationship can result in reproduction and nurturing one's own offspring. It is not a religious issue to many people. By allowing gays to marry or brothers and sisters to marry or three or four people to marry, you only achieve one thing - you dilute and water down the legal protections that have been traditionally reserved for the only relationship that is truly unique -- the reproductive family relationship between an unrelated man and woman. It is not about emotional love between people. You can love your dog or your best friend or your sister but the relationship is not one that benefits society the way that traditional marriage does. And legal protections are not therefore justified.

And I have no idea what Rev. Moon's comments are supposed to prove. So, RSG was polite enough to sit through the ritual and accept flattery from the very strange Rev. Good for him. If you are implying that RSG somehow adopted Moon's theology or denounced his own Christianity, then have the guts to say it and risk a lawsuit. You won't because you know it is not true.

If you are a closet liberal, just admit it. I admire ATrain because he admits his differences with LU but still supports the things he likes about his school. You, on the other hand, well, I won't say it.

[alum82]

BYD, exactly what behavior do conservative Christians want to make illegal? The liberals made it illegal to smoke in restaurants. We all believe that we should help the poor but the liberals are the ones who made laws requiring everyone to give to the poor in the form of taxes -- because they believe it is wrong not to help the poor. The liberals believe in global warming caused by humans burning carbon fuels and they believe global warming is bad for the planet. Not everyone agrees but they use the law to force all of us to burn less carbon fuels by declaring carbon dioxide to be a pollutant and by attempting to pass cap and trade laws. Yes, the liberals are more sophisticated in their efforts to legislate morality but that is what they are doing every day. Conservatives fought the liberals efforts to ban prayer in public schools decades ago and were accused of legislating morality by the liberals. Conservatives now only fight to stop the liberals' efforts to legislate and force their morality (with new definitions of marriage along with the items mentioned above) on the rest of us and you still say conservatives are legislating morality? You are caught in a time warp. Even the liberals long ago stopped accusing conservative Christians of legislating morality because they know they are the ones guilty of that sin.

[alum82]

BYD, if you really believe the Provost is guilty of saying the things you accuse him of saying, then you need to confront him and hear him out--not gossip about him on this board. That would be the Biblical approach.

[alum82]

Oooh, questionable connections to a CULT? You make it sound so subversive. The man worked for a newspaper that is owned by a Korean religious nut case. Big deal. Get over it.

[alum82]

Sounds like people of different religious beliefs uniting against communism to me. And it sounds like Moon supporting RSG's efforts to rebuild American Christianity. Moon is not a Christian but he obviously saw Christianity as a force for good in American politics. I have no problem working with people of other faiths who agree with my political philosophy. That is what America is all about.

[alum82]

BYD, thanks for clarifying where you stand. You are not the liberal I thought you were. It is just that I could care less what Rev. Moon's theology is. He might have nutty, cult-like beliefs but is that any worse than the people who own and run the New York Times or the Washington Post? The Washington Times has been a welcome alternative to all the liberal press in this country. I appreciate Rev. Moon's contribution to making that possible.

[alum82]

Being named? I could name you anything I want to name you.

[alum82]

Moon is a nut. Godwin was polite to him and chose not to call him a nut to his face in order to accomplish something more. I see no problem with that.

[alum82]

I mean, if I called you a disciple and said I believed you would rebuild American Christianity, wouldn't you take that as a compliment? Even if I believed in worshipping golden calves, you would still be flattered that I thought you were the future of American Christianity, wouldn't you?

[alum82]

Are you sure about that? How do you know?

[alum82]

Maybe RSG didn't interpret it that way.

[alum82]

How do you take someone seriously who believes they are Jesus? What is the point of arguing with somebody like that? Everybody in the room was probably laughing inside so why not play along and smile if that person is funding a newspaper that is giving conservatives a voice in a liberal waste land of journalism in the US?

[alum82]

Do you really believe that RSG thought Moon was the Messiah? Come on.

[alum82]

God bless RSG for taking advantage of the Rev. Moon to move some of Moon's dollars into a good cause! The liberals always laugh when they get conservatives to spend their dollars in ways that do not benefit conservatives. We need to learn from the libs in this regard. If we can get George Soros or Warren Buffett to spend their dollars in ways that benefit Liberty University, then let's do it. At least, then, the dollars will be used for good rather than evil!

[jbock13]

For the record, BYD is right about Dr. Moon's beliefs. I know and talk to missionaries (I can't say where specifically, but its in Asia), and how they have dealt with Moon's followers who go around to new church plants and attempt to sabatoge any church who doesn't follow their teachings.

Alum82, please do research on Moon, it would really do you some good.

As for Godwin, I'm not educated enough on him to know so I will refrain from comment.

[thepostman]

Moon is crazy, its pretty common knowledge so I am unsure what that part of this conversation should even be debated. Now the Godwin part...I just don't know. I never got a warm fuzzy about Godwin and many times I have been told I have the gift of discernment, but again I have never had a conversation with the man so it would be unfair to place judgement without doing so.

People often judged Jerry Sr by things printed in the media and I know from first hand experience that Jerry was nothing close to the man he was made out to be in the media from having multiple conversations with the man.

Now I am not saying Godwin is anywhere close to being the man Jerry was, but you need to be careful about trusting everything printed in the media. Print and video media can be altered to change a story very easily...

[BJWilliams]

For what its worth a lot of what people can say about others is based on interpretation so even what people have told you can be called into question...the way they interpret his actions can be skewed because what they read from it may not necessarily be the way he intended it...thats something Ive made note of in my own life...remember what Sly said about being careful what you say about people. Im not saying that we should all hold hands and sing kum bah yah the whole time on here, but you do need to watch what you say as you express your opinions...

[LUconn]

I've heard (not much water as I hear a lot of stupid people talk) a lot of things about Godwin too, BYD, but he should go? Look at the school under his reign. The most growth/expansion/improvements in school history. It might not be a result of him but it's pretty hard to argue that he's a significant problem.

[Purple Haize]

Are you sure about that? How do you know?

This was a big clue, from the first article:

God is the Creator. Reverend Moon is the re-creator.

Also, a little more sublime:

Reverend Moon is going to go up and have a little meeting with Mrs. Moon. Father will come down shortly but Father would like us to proceed with the testimonies of these three men

[jbock13]

This seems pretty interesting. You want to hear whining? This page was obviously created by disgruntled Freshmen...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sincerely ... 5555911149

Yeah I'm annoyed with some of the rules, but do I come up with the dumbest ones to complain about? My favor is about the girl's car being towed... well, surprise, that's that what happens when you park where you're not supposed to!!!!!

Besides, you signed the contract, you follow the rules. End of story.

[alum82]

BYD, I don't know if you've ever worked in a Christian organization but, for some reason, Christian schools and ministries seem to attract a fair number of, shall we say, less than ambitious employees. Whenever somebody comes in and cracks the whip and actually makes them do a day's work for a day's pay, they scream things like, "But this is a Christian organization" or "But this is a ministry" or "All the management cares about is money, not ministry". If none of that sort of thing works, then they start trying to find fault in the evil person who actually makes them work. A common accusation is "He used a curse word" or "He has been divorced and remarried" or any number of other things they can find in that person's past. If they can find some red meat like "He worked for a newspaper that was owned by Rev. Moon" or "he stood up and let Rev. Moon call him a disciple", well, you get the picture. I'm not saying that their accusations are untrue but you have to understand the context and the motivation. When I was at LU, DeWitt Braud was Dr. Falwell's evil twin that everyone seemed to have a story about but I found that, if you peeled back all the layers of every awful story, the grain of truth that started it all was that Braud made somebody work just as hard as they would have had to work in a secular organization. It is such a hard, cold world.