[Roccgroh]

some you peoples might not play football but rocco an his coachs need to open all spots on the team and only chris sumer, mike brown aschapman, brint veson and these type is starters who name write in ink, oregon coach say he open all spots up an if you make a playr fight for job, he can do better in the season. what is done at liberty is player is got a spot and spring ball is not for who is the best playr but workn on plays. how you know who is best player if you giveing him the job? like is say only few playrs name is in ink, if you got a rb who cant run yo linbackr over in practice how he run him over on another team? you see the rb last year get tackle easy open up the job in spring with 1on1 tackleing drills an see who be runnnig hard in practice, OPEN UP THE SPOTS DONT GIVENOBODY A JOB!!!!!!!!!! like is say some playrs standout and produce but fine a db who cover, fine me TE who can catch, fine me FB who can run ball and be catching to not just do the samethang over, fine me a safety who got vison back on defense, DONT JUST COME INTO SRING BALL RUN PLAYS FINE OUT WHO YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM IS, go read the report from last year, he talk about put in plays, put in plays, it not like the offense is good i mean yeh they blow out or score point againt easy team but if it a tough team they dont score and you peoples know it true!!!!!! fine who your best playrs is by open all postions and spots in spring ball. it start in winter time weight drils, if a playr do good in the weight drils then see what he do in spring ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ps
mike brown need to be a wr and he is stud but mike brown left mik brown throw, he pass wont not work in big games , he a wr not a QB

[NG33]

You have waaaay too much time on your hands.

[LUFan23]

Can you work on your grammar please. It is very difficult trying to understand what you are writing....

[BigAl57]

Can you work on your grammar please. It is very difficult trying to understand what you are writing....

please do. you may have some sounds points to consider but the lack of grammar is making it real hard to follow your points. Until that happens i find myself just skipping your posts enough tho they may have merit.

[SuperJon]

Beej, can you translate that?

[BJWilliams]

some you peoples might not play football but rocco an his coachs need to open all spots on the team and only chris sumer, mike brown aschapman, brint veson and these type is starters who name write in ink, oregon coach say he open all spots up an if you make a playr fight for job, he can do better in the season. what is done at liberty is player is got a spot and spring ball is not for who is the best playr but workn on plays. how you know who is best player if you giveing him the job? like is say only few playrs name is in ink, if you got a rb who cant run yo linbackr over in practice how he run him over on another team? you see the rb last year get tackle easy open up the job in spring with 1on1 tackleing drills an see who be runnnig hard in practice, OPEN UP THE SPOTS DONT GIVENOBODY A JOB!!!!!!!!!! like is say some playrs standout and produce but fine a db who cover, fine me TE who can catch, fine me FB who can run ball and be catching to not just do the samethang over, fine me a safety who got vison back on defense, DONT JUST COME INTO SRING BALL RUN PLAYS FINE OUT WHO YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM IS, go read the report from last year, he talk about put in plays, put in plays, it not like the offense is good i mean yeh they blow out or score point againt easy team but if it a tough team they dont score and you peoples know it true!!!!!! fine who your best playrs is by open all postions and spots in spring ball. it start in winter time weight drils, if a playr do good in the weight drils then see what he do in spring ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ps
mike brown need to be a wr and he is stud but mike brown left mik brown throw, he pass wont not work in big games , he a wr not a QB

(pulls out his handy translator)

Lets see...I think this is what he is saying:

Some of you people might not play football, but Rocco and his coaches need to open all spots on the team and only Chris Summers, Mike Brown, Asa Chapman, Brent Vinson are starters whose name you write in ink. Oregon's coach says he open all spots up and if you make a player fight for job, he can do better in the season. What is done at Liberty is a player gets a spot in spring ball and its not just for who is the best player but for working on plays. How do you know who is the best player if you are just giving him the job? Like is said only few players names is in ink, but if you have got a RB who cant run your linebacker over in practice how can he run him over on another team? Did you see the RB last year get tackle easy open up the job in spring with 1-on-1 tackling drills and see who is running hard in practice, OPEN UP THE SPOTS DON'T GIVE NOBODY A JOB!!!!!!!!!! Like I said, some players standout and produce but find a db who can cover, find me a TE who can catch, find me a FB who can run the ball and catch too, not just do the same thing over, find me a safety who got vision, DON'T JUST COME INTO SPRING BALL RUN PLAYS AND FIND OUT WHO YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM ARE, go read the report from last year, he talk about put in plays, put in plays, it not like the offense is good i mean yeah they blow out or score point against easy teams but if its a tough team, they don't score and you people know it true!!!!!! Find out who your best players are by opening all positions and spots in spring ball. it start in winter time weight drills, if a player do good in the weight drills then see what he do in spring ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that is what he is saying

[NG33]

Way to step up in the clutch, BJ.

[olldflame]

You are absolutely correct roccgroh. Our staff needs to do away with their current policy of giving playing time based on bribes and sexual favors and evaluate them carefully and play those who perform best.

If you have followed our program at all, you would know that what you are so inartfully proposing is exactly what we have been doing.

Example: Going into Spring practice last year Aaron Lundy was at the top of our depth chart at center. Senior and former walkon Matt Camier outperformed him and won the job in the Spring, and started for us all year. Other examples could be given. If anything you say is going to be taken seriously, apart from the ridiculous phony illiteracy, you need to complain about things that have some basis in reality.

[Schfourteenteen]

some you peoples might not play football but rocco an his coachs need to open all spots on the team and only chris sumer, mike brown aschapman, brint veson and these type is starters who name write in ink, oregon coach say he open all spots up an if you make a playr fight for job, he can do better in the season. what is done at liberty is player is got a spot and spring ball is not for who is the best playr but workn on plays. how you know who is best player if you giveing him the job? like is say only few playrs name is in ink, if you got a rb who cant run yo linbackr over in practice how he run him over on another team? you see the rb last year get tackle easy open up the job in spring with 1on1 tackleing drills an see who be runnnig hard in practice, OPEN UP THE SPOTS DONT GIVENOBODY A JOB!!!!!!!!!! like is say some playrs standout and produce but fine a db who cover, fine me TE who can catch, fine me FB who can run ball and be catching to not just do the samethang over, fine me a safety who got vison back on defense, DONT JUST COME INTO SRING BALL RUN PLAYS FINE OUT WHO YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM IS, go read the report from last year, he talk about put in plays, put in plays, it not like the offense is good i mean yeh they blow out or score point againt easy team but if it a tough team they dont score and you peoples know it true!!!!!! fine who your best playrs is by open all postions and spots in spring ball. it start in winter time weight drils, if a playr do good in the weight drils then see what he do in spring ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ps
mike brown need to be a wr and he is stud but mike brown left mik brown throw, he pass wont not work in big games , he a wr not a QB

You sound like a former player who was cut. You might have been a walk on. You would certainly be a challenge for those Athletic Tutors. I don't see how even the brightest Compliance staff members could get you through school.

[jbock13]

some you peoples might not play football but rocco an his coachs need to open all spots on the team and only chris sumer, mike brown aschapman, brint veson and these type is starters who name write in ink, oregon coach say he open all spots up an if you make a playr fight for job, he can do better in the season. what is done at liberty is player is got a spot and spring ball is not for who is the best playr but workn on plays. how you know who is best player if you giveing him the job? like is say only few playrs name is in ink, if you got a rb who cant run yo linbackr over in practice how he run him over on another team? you see the rb last year get tackle easy open up the job in spring with 1on1 tackleing drills an see who be runnnig hard in practice, OPEN UP THE SPOTS DONT GIVENOBODY A JOB!!!!!!!!!! like is say some playrs standout and produce but fine a db who cover, fine me TE who can catch, fine me FB who can run ball and be catching to not just do the samethang over, fine me a safety who got vison back on defense, DONT JUST COME INTO SRING BALL RUN PLAYS FINE OUT WHO YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE TEAM IS, go read the report from last year, he talk about put in plays, put in plays, it not like the offense is good i mean yeh they blow out or score point againt easy team but if it a tough team they dont score and you peoples know it true!!!!!! fine who your best playrs is by open all postions and spots in spring ball. it start in winter time weight drils, if a playr do good in the weight drils then see what he do in spring ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ps
mike brown need to be a wr and he is stud but mike brown left mik brown throw, he pass wont not work in big games , he a wr not a QB

I think its a little past your bedtime...

[01LUGrad]

Hey guys...this isn't a new poster. It is someone who is really bored and trying to stir conversation on here.

Just in case you hadn't figured that out yet, and by the looks of it, some of you hadn't.

[Schfourteenteen]

I promise it's not men. It can't be TTL - he has a job. I vote for Swiss Militant

[LUnpretty11]

I can actually agree with this type of idea. There are several non-scholarship or lower on the depth chart players who may be as good or better than the #1 guy. The "lower" guys also have a tendency to work harder to do whatever they can to prove themselves. If the top dog already knows where he sits on the depth chart, there is a lesser incentive to push themselves than maybe the non-scholarship players. I'm not saying this should be done the exact way, but I think giving each player, scholly or non-scholly, a shot is a good idea.

[olldflame]

I'm still trying to figure out where anyone is getting the idea that this is not what is being done now. Just because we have a depth chart doesn't mean it's written in stone, and I don't believe it is.

Simply doing away with depth charts would be a totally symbolic move and in and of itself would change nothing. Personally, I find it hard to believe that our coaches have any other agenda but to put the best players they have on the field.

[BigAl57]

I can actually agree with this type of idea. There are several non-scholarship or lower on the depth chart players who may be as good or better than the #1 guy. The "lower" guys also have a tendency to work harder to do whatever they can to prove themselves. If the top dog already knows where he sits on the depth chart, there is a lesser incentive to push themselves than maybe the non-scholarship players. I'm not saying this should be done the exact way, but I think giving each player, scholly or non-scholly, a shot is a good idea.

This is quite true but when push comes to shove the coaching staff in most cases goes with a scholly player to fill a position. I think that they have to validate the scholarship that they spent on this player. It does appear that some of the starters just take it for granted that they are the #1 in that position and don't work as hard as someone trying to crack into the starting lineup.

[jcmanson]

If my son was a walk-on I'd agree with this...

[BigAl57]

If my son was a walk-on I'd agree with this...

so you don't agree with this?

[jcmanson]

If my son was a walk-on I'd agree with this...

so you don't agree with this?

I don't agree with "the coaching staff has a vendetta and has to play the scholly player to prove they know what they're doing"

[BigAl57]

If my son was a walk-on I'd agree with this...

so you don't agree with this?

I don't agree with "the coaching staff has a vendetta and has to play the scholly player to prove they know what they're doing"

I didn't say that "the coaching staff has a vendetta and has to play the scholly player to prove they know what they're doing". And yes I'm the dad of a walk on but hope to be a dad of a scholly player in the future.

My youngest son is accepted to Liberty and may try to walk on next year.

[Sly Fox]

IN the staff's defense (as if they need me defending them), there had to be something they saw in a player to offer him a scholarship. So in a sense, they begin with certain expectations that a scholarship player will perform at a certain level as opposed to a walk-on.

That said, this staff has shown a willingness to let walk-ons compete and win starting jobs. Will a walk-on have more to prove than a kid who was offered a scholarship? Honestly, yes. But I also believe the staff care more about putting the best team on the field than they do about whether they might look silly for offering a kid a 'ship who can't cut it. If a walk-on beats out a scholarship player, he's going to see the field.

And I believe it should be noted that LU, of all FCS schools, seems to attract some of the highest quality walk-ons. Due to the mission of our school, we have kids come to walk-on here over scholarship offers elsewhere. Some work out and some aren't able to make it past scout team. But I absolutely love the passion that comes from kids who want to play for the Flames so much that they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

[olldflame]

There have been a lot of things suggested/insinuated here without a scrap of evidence to back them up IMHO. Personally, I have full confidence that any player who shows they are the best at their position is going to play. I cited the example of Matt Camire, who started as a walkon and earned a schollie and then a starting position over a highly regarded recruit. I'm sure there are others. Coaches often face a dilemma of choosing between potential and productivity, and sometimes a talented player who may be underachieving gets a little leeway, but within limits. For example, Chris Summers did not exactly set the world on fire until last year, but his potential was obvious, and he wasn't going to reach it without getting reps against live competition. Now he's an all-american.

[LUnpretty11]

... If a walk-on beats out a scholarship player, he's going to see the field.

Sly I respect what you say (all the time), but this has not been the case for at least one particular position. I am referencing a specific player who has walked on, and done nothing but work his tail off for 2 years. He's put on 45 lbs. of muscle, and changed a position from his Fr to R-Fr year. The coaching staff moved a scholly player from DE to the offensive side of the ball in front of this player, who has done nothing but prove himself to be a better performer. But since he's only a walk-on, he doesn't get the PT, because he isn't "getting paid" to play, and the staff wants to make sure they are using their scholarship players, which is understandable, but frustrating. No he is not my son either

[PAmedic]

outta curiosity:

any NCAA restrictions on contact between former players/recruits?

or is a transfer classified differently?

my understanding is any alum = Booster

therefore: contact would be limited by rule. Not sure if this applies to transfers tho...

[Sly Fox]

I know where you are going but the contact you are referencing was initiated by the potential transfer. As a result the contact itself is within NCAA guidelines. The only way it gets off the mark is if there are benefits derived from the contact for the potential player that would be construed as guiding player toward a school. Conversations are OK ... goods & services are not.

[olldflame]

... If a walk-on beats out a scholarship player, he's going to see the field.

Sly I respect what you say (all the time), but this has not been the case for at least one particular position. I am referencing a specific player who has walked on, and done nothing but work his tail off for 2 years. He's put on 45 lbs. of muscle, and changed a position from his Fr to R-Fr year. The coaching staff moved a scholly player from DE to the offensive side of the ball in front of this player, who has done nothing but prove himself to be a better performer. But since he's only a walk-on, he doesn't get the PT, because he isn't "getting paid" to play, and the staff wants to make sure they are using their scholarship players, which is understandable, but frustrating. No he is not my son either

Things like this are so hard to judge on the internet, but you don't have to be the player's dad to have a bias, and in that post you really don't come across as very objective on this. How do you reach the conclusion that he has "proven himself to be the better performer", especially if he isn't playing? Unless you are there in practice on a regular basis and privy to the coaches evaluation process, my guess is you are simply going by what he told you.

BTW, walkons do not hold exclusive property to the concept of "working your tail off" the vast majority of our scholarship players work just as hard.