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By R i
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jcmanson wrote:
R i wrote:4.) I am not sure I see less of a chip. These guys wanna win big. After being in outside the locker room after the JMU loss. I am sure that most do not have entitlement.
It's not the JMU/Ball State games you see the sense of entitlement. It's the other 9.

point taken.
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By BJWilliams
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R i wrote:
SuperJon wrote:I think firing the head coach would be an absolute mistake right now .....
We're doing most things right. We've hit a plateau though. Where do we go from here? We're investing way too much money into this program to slide back down, but what's needed to take that next step? I don't know. I'm not a coach. I don't even play Playstation. All I know is that something has to change and I trust Danny Rocco to make the change.

1.)Maybe AA would have been our answer to a power running game.

2.)I have a feeling this will be the biggest change over the offseason. especially the way we lost Saturday, passes over the middle killing us.

3.) Its not just our return game.... its our kickoff coverage, and for a while field goals.... if any of the assistants are not here in the same capacity next year, I would say its Marshall. though i like the guy.

4.) I am not sure I see less of a chip. These guys wanna win big. After being in outside the locker room after the JMU loss. I am sure that most do not have entitlement.

5.) Still not sure the answer. I am sure our AD and coach, considered us Playoff bound for years to come.


Good Post SJ. You bring up good questions about our program/ without jumping off ship.

If you look at the last three seasons (08, 09 and this year), the guys tend to go out after a loss and whoever is next on the schedule...look out:

2008:

Lafayette L 21-35
Charleston Southern W 42-0

Presbyterian L 31-28
VMI W 38-26


2009:

West Virginia L 20-33
NC Central W 35-10


James Madison L 10-24
West Virginia Wesleyan W 45-7

Stony Brook L 33-36
St Francis (2010 opener) W 52-7

2010

James Madison L 3-10
Savannah State W 52-14

Coastal Carolina L 31-45
Stony Brook ...
By LUconn
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This is a little different as Stony Brook is better than those teams. But I like the looks of that CSU score after Laffy.
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By jcmanson
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I see you working Beej, but look at who we were playing - CSU, VMI, NC Central, WV Wesleyan, St Francis (does that even count). None of those teams are half as good as SBU is.

You also left out what we did after our Robert Morris loss. :oops:
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By BJWilliams
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I havent forgotten...the JMU game was after the Robert Morris loss this year. Since Danny Rocco became coach, we've only lost back to back games on three occasions: 4 in a row in 2006, then back to back in 07 and this year.
By Libertine
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OK.

This level of fatuous absurdity is THE reason I haven't been on this board in a while. After a while, I simply got tired of reading equine excrement passed off as logical thought by those who represent, if not in fact but by association, a university that I would otherwise be proud of. I would not be here now if I had not been referred to this thread by players and family of staff members who had the misfortune of reading it for themselves. I've read the first page here and the last and that's been enough to more than affirm my belief that Flamefans has completely outlived itself and has become the digital equivalent of a aged, weak but rabid dog. Not even a cool dog either; more like a toothless, frothing Pomeranian.

The bottom line is that 2006-2010 is far and away the best years in the history of the LU football program. If you whiny, hysterical children want to talk about facts, here's some facts.
  • LU Football has won 39 games in the last 5 years. Win Saturday and it's 40. That's a winning percentage of 71%. No 5-year stretch in school history comes even close to that.
    LU Football has won a share of 3 consecutive conference titles. Win Saturday and it's 4. Only Montana has a longer streak than that.
    LU Football has finished in the top 25 of the FCS Coaches' Poll each of the last three years and, likely, will again in 2010. Unlike the TSN poll and the fan polls, the Coaches' Poll is voted on by people who actually are involved in FCS football. One would presume that they actually know what they're talking about.
    LU Football has been top 10 in offense the last four seasons and top 25 in defense the last five.
    Even with a loss this Saturday, the worst record over the last 5 years is still a winning record. Prior to 2006, there were a grand total of 12 winning season in the history of the school and only 7 Since the move to I-AA/FCS.
For those of you want to discuss facilities, here are some more facts.
In May of 2006, Williams Stadium consisted of a worn expanse of old-school astroturf, a high school pressbox, 12,000 bleacher seats and massive hole in the ground. Today, less than four and a half years later, Williams Stadium is a jewel and no one could be more aware of that fact than those who get to look at it day in and day out. And, yet, in the entire length and breadth of the history of American football, the football stadium, as nice as it may be wherever it may be, has yet to win a game. The padded seats in the upper deck have never scored a point. The extra concession stands have yet to force a turnover. Games are played in good stadiums and bad stadiums every day and, while having Williams is certainly a great blessing for our program now[/], the game has very little to do with the house it's played in.

For those of you want to talk about budgets, here's another fact. Unless, the chancellor chooses to weigh in, no one in this thread actually knows a Scorcho-forsaken thing about the athletic budgets. Oh, you think you have an idea because you looked at the OPE website and everyone on CS.com says we spend more than anyone else, but they don't actually know anything at all and neither. You could take a guess and say it's more than Charleston Southern or UNC-Asheville and you might be right or you might be wrong but it's still just a guess. Personally, I'm not going to be the one to tell you because, firstly, that would be inappropriate but, mostly, because I don't know myself.

In short, go take your meds, Leo. 14, go back to Jersey where they know all about winning championshi...oh, wait. And Scorcho? Do the world a favor; put this whiny, delirious mutt to sleep and pull the plug.
By ALUmnus
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That's why no one complained when you left. I bet it was a surprise when you found out that something actually still does exist without your presence. Sheesh.

IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD!! GET OVER IT! People say absolutely ridiculous things, that's pretty much the nature of the internet.
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By Rooster Cogburn
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Wow, really? You enjoy the crud that is being spewed on here the last few days? It is a total embarassment here and on some other boards. We indirectly represent Liberty by being on here. If you google LU sports you may come here and read this trash. It is a Shame!

Seriously, if this is what a message board is and I'm supposed to get over it, then this is not what I signed up for. This used to be a place for Flame FANS or supporters to hang out and SUPPORT their team. It is now a place to second guess every move anyone makes and act like we know more that the coaches and admin do.

I have loved having a place to support my school, but again this is not what made this board attractive and fun for me from day one.

And before TTL says it, yes I was knucklehead too, and yes I won 2 rookie of the year awards in a row when this place was fun.
By thepostman
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embarrassment?? seriously??

Its a message board...people say their opinions..you disagree, call them dumb and explain why their opinion is dumb...that is how all sport message boards are. If you want a place where things do not get said that you disagree with then you are looking in the wrong place.

I understand disagreeing with firing Rocco...but I do not understand calling this discussion "disgraceful"

so ridiculous...
By LUconn
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A few things: One, just another example of posters living in the extreme. This is the true nature of internet discussion. Controversial opinion posted? SHUT DOWN THE BOARD! People have different and dumb opinions, get over it. Two, if players and staff or family are bold enough to read discussion on the internet (which I would advise against) and getting upset, they need some thicker skin. Again, everybody has opinions and some of them are absurd. If you're gonna live the lifestyle of staff family, it comes with the territory. And three, the last thing LU athletics needs is one less place for people interested in the program to actively be interested. I'm certainly not disillusion enough to think that this is the be all and end all of LU athletics, but it certainly generates discussion, knowledge and general interest which is vital. I'm a big fan but I'd have a tough time keeping up with recruiting, promotions, history, etc.

In short, take a chill pill and stick with the facts that you brought to the table with your post.
By WinterIsComing
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I agree that some changes may need to be made, but I am still of the philosophy that it's players, not plays, that make the difference. For all the things Karcher wasn't, he was a pretty good recruiter. We need to give Rocco more time and more support (like not leaving at half-time). Maybe he does need some new scouts and some better assitants, maybe not. Maybe he does need to rethink parts of our offensive and defensive strategy. I doubt he's happy about losing, so I think he will be making changes to the staff and to himself as a coach this offseason.

I'll give the guy the benefit of a doubt, and give him til the end of his contract to put together a team that can make the FCS Playoffs. If he hasn't gotten us to the playoffs by then, then I MAY consider backing a change. But as of right now, where he has brought us from, and where we are now, and where we are going, with our arrow pointing up, he's my man til he proves otherwise and by that I mean three .500 or below seasons in a row.
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By Sly Fox
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Suffice it to say that the past 48 hours on this board have only extended the mental anguish from Saturday's events in Conway. Would I prefer everyone take the glass half full perspective? Absolutely. But realistically our fanbase has reached a point where passionate fans of the program can no longer be counted on one hand expectations have risen exponentially. Both are a blessing that can prove to be a momentary curse after days like Saturday.

I think many of those suggesting Coach Rocco be dismissed on Saturday recognize the foolishness of those statements with a couple of days to put things in perspective. That's why I bit the bullet until now.

I also feel it is just as foolish to dismiss critics as not really fans. The fact that they care enough to express a passionate opinion is evidence of their loyalty to their school. That said, I would prefer things not get personal in the heat of debate ... toward those associated with the team or fellow posters.

This forum will remain a place were dissenting opinions will always be welcome as long as they are presented in a respectful manner. Some posts the past few days have straddled that line and occassionally stepped over it. I ask that you treat each other in the fashion you would want to be treated yourself.

And for the record, you can call me a homer or whatever you like but I am 100% behind Coach Rocco. As someone who has had much more than typical access to FCS & FBS programs over the past two decades, I can say we are unusually blessed to have Coach Rocco leading our program. He is not infallible and he certainly is constantly striving for improvement as a man and coach. I can't imagine being around him the past 48 hours has been pleasant. Saturday
By thepostman
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nicely said sly...and for the record I could care less how I am treated on a message board and I will never understand why people take anything said on a freaking message board so personally...but that is a whole other debate.

I think overall this has been a good discussion. Whenever you have a heated topic like this you are going to get some dumb posts...but overall its been a great discussion with some good points made by all sides...
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By Schfourteenteen
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Libertine wrote: The bottom line is that 2006-2010 is far and away the best years in the history of the LU football program. I've never stated the opposite. In fact, I still don't understand how any of your post is directed at me.

If you whiny, hysterical children want to talk about facts, here's some facts.
  • LU Football has won 39 games in the last 5 years. Win Saturday and it's 40. That's a winning percentage of 71%. No 5-year stretch in school history comes even close to that.
    LU Football has won a share of 3 consecutive conference titles. Win Saturday and it's 4. Only Montana has a longer streak than that.
    LU Football has finished in the top 25 of the FCS Coaches' Poll each of the last three years and, likely, will again in 2010. Unlike the TSN poll and the fan polls, the Coaches' Poll is voted on by people who actually are involved in FCS football. One would presume that they actually know what they're talking about. Would one presume that those coaches view every team before submitting a ballot? Would one presume coaches even spend more than 20 minutes putting a ballot together? I hope not. I would think coaches work too hard to be bothered by the nuisance of a poll that means nothing for 10 weeks of the year.

    LU Football has been top 10 in offense the last four seasons and top 25 in defense the last five.In some cases, the competition allows our team to be this good within those stats. Our offense is good - no doubt. But the stats portion have always had the benefit of (as a whole) poor competition.

    Even with a loss this Saturday, the worst record over the last 5 years is still a winning record. Prior to 2006, there were a grand total of 12 winning season in the history of the school and only 7 Since the move to I-AA/FCS.
Overall, I agree with you. There are details behind those stats that take away from them a bit, but what has happened in the last 4 years is impressive. If you can find a serious post of mine in which I state that we haven't accomplished anything, I'll eat my words.

For those of you want to discuss facilities, here are some more facts.
In May of 2006, Williams Stadium consisted of a worn expanse of old-school astroturf, a high school pressbox, 12,000 bleacher seats and massive hole in the ground. Today, less than four and a half years later, Williams Stadium is a jewel and no one could be more aware of that fact than those who get to look at it day in and day out. And, yet, in the entire length and breadth of the history of American football, the football stadium, as nice as it may be wherever it may be, has yet to win a game. The padded seats in the upper deck have never scored a point. The extra concession stands have yet to force a turnover. Games are played in good stadiums and bad stadiums every day and, while having Williams is certainly a great blessing for our program now[/], the game has very little to do with the house it's played in.
Where is the weight room? The weight room has certainly aided in making our team better. Do facilities not benefit a team in recruiting? Would Mike Brown be here if his campus visit included a tour of our 2005 facilities? (if he came here and redshirted, yes :x ) Of course it's all speculation, but if the FOC did not improve the quality of football, or at least a recruits perception of Liberty Football, schools would not be dumping millions of dollars on football related facilities.

For those of you want to talk about budgets, here's another fact. Unless, the chancellor chooses to weigh in, no one in this thread actually knows a Scorcho-forsaken thing about the athletic budgets. Oh, you think you have an idea because you looked at the OPE website and everyone on CS.com says we spend more than anyone else, but they don't actually know anything at all and neither. You could take a guess and say it's more than Charleston Southern or UNC-Asheville and you might be right or you might be wrong but it's still just a guess. Personally, I'm not going to be the one to tell you because, firstly, that would be inappropriate but, mostly, because I don't know myself.You would not be wrong with that guess. I'm also a bit confused with the "OPE is wrong, but I don't know what it is." How can you know what's wrong if you don't know what's right? Oh, and 990's are not hard to comprehend. They don't tell you everything, but they tell you enough to get the key details.

In short, go take your meds, Leo. 14, go back to Jersey where they know all about winning championshi...oh, wait. How could you come out with a great jab at the first guy and then come at me with....a New Jersey joke? Come on. You're better than that. I'd rather you hit me good than with this garbage. A great coach once said "I can take getting my [expletive] kicked and take it like a man." Besides, at least us NJ people know that sharing a championship with a team that beat you isn't really a championship....even if the last time was 1991.



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By treyjman24
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wow you guys have become ruthless this season... my personal opinion... most likely not the best idea to dismiss coach this year... lol. BUT I think there needs to be a time to evaluate if he's the guy that will take us to the next level. He's done AMAZING in taking us from my freshman year 1-10 season!!! Oh my goodness, but do I think he's going to be the guy that takes us to the FBS Championship... no. you've all hit it in your posts. recruiting is a must! unless something crazy happens in the next year or three years I would say coach only has a few more season left with Liberty before he takes an assistant position at a larger school anyways.

Coach Rocco has made us good, who is going to make us Great? Thats the question we need to be asking ourselves...

SIDE NOTE: Half of you are complete idiots! Especially shocked at some of you veterans...
By ALAFlamesFan
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I have stated my opinion of Coach Rocco (behind him all the way) and the D (changes needed) above.

Here I just want to chime in with how impressed I am with this board. Nothing like this existed when I was at LU. If you didn't drink the Kool-Aid long and deep your opinion was not heard. Flamefans has made LU fans a better, more educated bunch and I think helped push us to where we are today. A thread like this would never have been allowed to happen in my day. Flamefans would have been blocked from campus.

I don't believe there is a person on the board who doesn't love LU and want to see it and the athletics teams succeed. Do we all drink the Kool-Aid? No. Do we believe all coaches and administrators are infallible? NO. Are we traitors for expressing an opinion that questions the status quo? NO. If fact, I think it is in allowing those opinions to be expressed, we push our school to be the best that we all hope and pray it will be.

I come here precisely because we allow wildly outside the box opinions. If I wanted the party line every time I would go to the SID website. Don't take this as anti-establishment. I think what we do here promotes a healthier establishment. /rant. :-)

side note: I agree with the post above that mentions growing thicker skin. I don't mean that as a slam but a genuine word of advice that will help you in life. If some players/staff read this board and are offended then don't look to move to a higher level in college or pro-sports and certainly don't come to Alabama and want to be involved in football. There are entire radio shows devoted to second guessing coaches, players, administrators, alumni. What happens on this board is very tame. Frankly, I would be glad so many people care. That was not always the case.
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By jcmanson
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WinterIsComing wrote:But as of right now, where he has brought us from, and where we are now, and where we are going, with our arrow pointing up, he's my man til he proves otherwise and by that I mean three .500 or below seasons in a row.
2006 - 6-5, 2 sub D1 wins
2007 - 8-3, 2 sub D1 wins
2008 - 10-2, 2 sub D1 wins, loss in November ruined playoff chances
2009 - 8-3, 1 sub D1 win, loss in November ruined playoff chances
2010 - 7-3, loss in November ruined playoff chances

How is our arrow pointing up? To me it's more like <-> no change
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By jcmanson
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ALAFlamesFan wrote:I have stated my opinion of Coach Rocco (behind him all the way) and the D (changes needed) above.

Here I just want to chime in with how impressed I am with this board. Nothing like this existed when I was at LU. If you didn't drink the Kool-Aid long and deep your opinion was not heard. Flamefans has made LU fans a better, more educated bunch and I think helped push us to where we are today. A thread like this would never have been allowed to happen in my day. Flamefans would have been blocked from campus.

I don't believe there is a person on the board who doesn't love LU and want to see it and the athletics teams succeed. Do we all drink the Kool-Aid? No. Do we believe all coaches and administrators are infallible? NO. Are we traitors for expressing an opinion that questions the status quo? NO. If fact, I think it is in allowing those opinions to be expressed, we push our school to be the best that we all hope and pray it will be.

I come here precisely because we allow wildly outside the box opinions. If I wanted the party line every time I would go to the SID website. Don't take this as anti-establishment. I think what we do here promotes a healthier establishment. /rant. :-)
Agreed. Apparently Libertine wishes our fan base was still the same as the Karcher era.
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By Th3rd
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jcmanson wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:But as of right now, where he has brought us from, and where we are now, and where we are going, with our arrow pointing up, he's my man til he proves otherwise and by that I mean three .500 or below seasons in a row.
2006 - 6-5, 2 sub D1 wins
2007 - 8-3, 2 sub D1 wins
2008 - 10-2, 2 sub D1 wins, loss in November ruined playoff chances
2009 - 8-3, 1 sub D1 win, loss in November ruined playoff chances
2010 - 7-3, loss in November ruined playoff chances

How is our arrow pointing up? To me it's more like <-> no change
if anything it is more like it started going /\ then hit a peak and is now on its way back \/

just my opinion from the records
By ALAFlamesFan
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Yeah...I mean, welcome to life in college sports. Go check out a message board for a big school, or go to a big college own. You think the better part of an entire state in the south hasn't been losing their mind for the past couple of weeks since Alabama lost to LSU (a loss that effectively ended their season much like ours last week)?

Time to grow up and realize that in the real world people have differing opinions.
This is a point for another thread but I thought about this board....Saturday night I was at Bryant Denny for the UA-MSU game (two RANKED SEC teams televised nationally). At halftime the student section cleared out and the bleachers in the south endzone were practically empty! I almost came on FF to see who was trashing our student section but then realized I was at ALABAMA and it was THEIR students finding better things to do with their time... (It happens everywhere folks ;-) )
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By R i
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some one at libertyflames.com....... for the love of all things Jerry... Please make sure the presser on Tuesday gets put up before Friday...

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