[flamesfilmguy]

I don't even know how to respond to all of this lol

[rogers3]

A little tidbit from CC's forum


Re: CCU vs. LU Postgame
« Reply #9 on: Today at 08:46:10 PM »

Great Win ! Maybe this will quite the folks calling for all the coaches head 3-4 weeks ago? Very BIG game next week for the Chants. Nice job on both sides of the ball today.



Maybe they gave Bennett a bit more mercy since he isn't paid quite as much. Good thing he won the last 2 games, or the Coastal fans might have turned to mob violence. Reminds me of FF.

[ToTheLeft]

A little tidbit from CC's forum


Re: CCU vs. LU Postgame
« Reply #9 on: Today at 08:46:10 PM »

Great Win ! Maybe this will quite the folks calling for all the coaches head 3-4 weeks ago? Very BIG game next week for the Chants. Nice job on both sides of the ball today.



Maybe they gave Bennett a bit more mercy since he isn't paid quite as much. Good thing he won the last 2 games, or the Coastal fans might have turned to mob violence. Reminds me of FF.

Didn't CDB have a big cleaning house of assistants recently? If they truly are back and can get things on track, maybe that should be a blueprint for us.

Although I'm not convinced Coastal is "back", and CDB could still feel some heat, especially with a loss next weekend.

[Equinox]

"Equinox and Ared are new fans of TTL. TTL is putting together an NCCAA Dynasty Army full of these kids. Rooster better give Equinox and Ared a call and make their helmets green or we could be looking at an epic PPV fight"


Sch-14,

Get it right I’m fan of honest opinions… not neutered canned statements. So if it is a problem to you or any who are scared to speak their minds go hide in a corner till this has cooled off.

[Schfourteenteen]

What, you think you're something special? No. You're just one of ToTheLeft's StormTroopers. StormTrooping around doing your StormTrooper thing.

Don't ask me what this means. All I know is I am not neutered. And I am not canned. And you and TTL make a great team.

TTL and Equinox vs. Rooster and KBM

I'm selling tickets! Actually, I'm going to drink with some German buddies. I'm sure I'm not the only Flame who needs a drink after today

[ToTheLeft]

Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program in the Rocco era.

Just doin' what I'm told, folks.

[UVAFlame]

You guys act like money is an automatic victory. That is annoying and ridiculous. Rocco is the highest paid coach in the bsc and he was won it the last 3 years. For all of You who struggle with math you Can't do much better than 3 out of 3. But lets be realistic. If money or coaching salaries were all that mattered. Notre dame would never lose. Northwestern would never win in the big ten and wake forest in the acc. No one in the right mind would fire a coach who wins over 70% of their games. Maybe a paycut on the next salary but that is all I would support.

[Schfourteenteen]

Bring your analysis and frustration here.

He said that in the Postmortem thread. Clearly you missed the detour sign.

[ToTheLeft]

Bring your analysis and frustration here.

He said that in the Postmortem thread. Clearly you missed the detour sign.

TDD started it! And he's a moderator, isn't he? I followed his orders.

[Schfourteenteen]

You guys act like money is an automatic victory. That is annoying and ridiculous. Rocco is the highest paid coach in the bsc and he was won it the last 3 years. For all of You who struggle with math you Can't do much better than 3 out of 3. But lets be realistic. If money or coaching salaries were all that mattered. Notre dame would never lose. Northwestern would never win in the big ten and wake forest in the acc. No one in the right mind would fire a coach who wins over 70% of their games. Maybe a paycut on the next salary but that is all I would support.

+ Money = + Resources

Having the most money means Rocco has everything he needs to put together a great squad. It means he should have no problem beating teams with half the budget he has. It means he should at least occasionally beat teams who are on comparable levels.

3 Championships is POOPOO. Get that Co-Champion crap out of here.

Let's be realistic. If Notre Dame lost to every ranked team they played, and spent most of the season feasting on cupcakes, fans wouldn't be sold on their coach.

[Th3rd]

You guys act like money is an automatic victory. That is annoying and ridiculous. Rocco is the highest paid coach in the bsc and he was won it the last 3 years. For all of You who struggle with math you Can't do much better than 2 and 1/2 out of 3. But lets be realistic. If money or coaching salaries were all that mattered. Notre dame would never lose. Northwestern would never win in the big ten and wake forest in the acc. No one in the right mind would fire a coach who wins over 70% of their games. Maybe a paycut on the next salary but that is all I would support.

fixed

last year we were CO-champions... and really I don't understand how a team beats us and yet we can still claim that we are Co-Champs.... win it outright or not at all...

[thepostman]

You guys act like money is an automatic victory. That is annoying and ridiculous. Rocco is the highest paid coach in the bsc and he was won it the last 3 years. For all of You who struggle with math you Can't do much better than 3 out of 3. But lets be realistic. If money or coaching salaries were all that mattered. Notre dame would never lose. Northwestern would never win in the big ten and wake forest in the acc. No one in the right mind would fire a coach who wins over 70% of their games. Maybe a paycut on the next salary but that is all I would support.

its more like 2.5 out of 3...sharing a title shouldn't count as a true championship, and had the auto bid be given to the big south last year we would not have gotten into the playoffs...and if we lose next week we will not make the playoffs...both sharing the Big South title AND not making the playoffs this year would be consider failures by not only our standards but the coaching staff's standards as well...

I understand you are a 'the glass is half full' kind of a person, but there is one of two things happening here...the coaching staff is making bad coaching choices or they are completely over stating the talent on this team...whatever the case it needs to be addressed because there has been little improvement over the last few years and honestly that is all I am looking for.

I do not think firing him this year is the way to go quite yet, but you can not continue to act as if we have not been stuck without improving the last few years...there is much more I would like in our program then simply conference championships...shouldn't that be what all of us as LU fans strive for?

[aredd33]

I agree whole heartedly...if we were in the CAA okay obvioulsy we won't win the Conference every year..but the Big South????? Really? If we can win the BSC when half of our team was on a 1-10 team why can't we win it now? Our limit is winning this Conference. Assuming we win it outright next year and get the auto bid I'm 99% sure there would be a very very very early exit..like first round.

[rogers3]

Just looked at CS- maybe someone needs to check on TTL. He seems... well... highly distressed.
It's rare to see a fan trash their team as soundly as he has. It kind of reminds me of my younger years, when I would mess up a model- something like gluing a part on a little crooked- and then proceed to smash it on the ground in disgust. It always made me feel worse at first, but then I'd actually feel better.
Each must find his own way to heal.

[vtechhokies20]

RD had a 7-23 record, Graduation Rate problems, and recruiting violations sprinkled in there.

RD never had one single recruiting violation in all of his time at LU. Stop the lies.

Plus he wasn't trumped by anything but the ego of an undermining AD. RD went 2-1-2-8-3
and had us in position to do something really special in men's basketball. Now we are served kool
aid that 4-3-6 and preseason 6th is a dramatic improvement.

This football program has a 14 million dollar budget funded by Jerry jr not athletics. He needs to evaluate what athletics is doing with the major investment of $$.

We play in a very poor football conference and consistently play a weak schedule. yet our AD promotes it like it is worthy of so much more. Rocco has certainly improved LU football but has failed to deleliver even a NCAA 1AA playoff. RD got us to the NCAA in year two. It is Jerry jr investment and he needs to look at athletic leadership period.

[thepostman]

ttl always goes off the deep end...he will gather his thoughts a little bit better later...he always means well

[ToTheLeft]

Just looked at CS- maybe someone needs to check on TTL. He seems... well... highly distressed.
It's rare to see a fan trash their team as soundly as he has. It kind of reminds me of my younger years, when I would mess up a model- something like gluing a part on a little crooked- and then proceed to smash it on the ground in disgust. It always made me feel worse at first, but then I'd actually feel better.
Each must find his own way to heal.

I'm fine. I overreact to everything. You'll notice in the prop bets that I'm picking LU to win next week. So I'm not in LU hater mode, just LU disgust/embarrassment over the same old stuff mode.

[thepostman]

see. told you...ttl your passion is great..I don't always agree with you...but your passion is great

[kuntryboimike]

Just looked at CS- maybe someone needs to check on TTL. He seems... well... highly distressed.
It's rare to see a fan trash their team as soundly as he has. It kind of reminds me of my younger years, when I would mess up a model- something like gluing a part on a little crooked- and then proceed to smash it on the ground in disgust. It always made me feel worse at first, but then I'd actually feel better.
Each must find his own way to heal.

I felt like doing the same thing. I knew it'd be better for me to not write ANYTHING at all. Luckily I stayed busy all afternoon/night to keep me preoccupied.

[bigsmooth]

Laffy/Presby/SBU/RMU/JMUx2/Elon/WM/CCU out of the games you listed TTL, the presby and coastal games are the ones that stick out. The JMU losses? well the 1st loss, they were better.period. this year?? well now it looks like a bad loss since JMU has hit hard times so maybe that one. those other losses, we were not better. very few on here give bobby mo any credit. they are good regardless of the reduced schollys. maybe rocco is a victim of hype. many annointed him a saviour since he turned around a program that was just awful. have we had many quality wins? no, but you play what is on the schedule and anyone who knows the history of liberty football knows how hard it is to schedule games. please name me one coach who was fired after rocco's resume? maybe some assistant changes but not firing. id bet you money that if LU was not in the big south we would have made the playoffs if we were in another conference. the big south has hurt our progress. im not saying rocco is perfect because he's not, and he should make some changes at the end of the season. the goal every year is to win the big south conference, but this is the first year it really had a big prize tagged to it and we failed so the answer is to fire rocco??...make zero sense. again THIS IS THE FIRST SEASON WINNING THE BIG SOUTH HAD A BIG PRIZE. before that, LU would have to be darned near perfect to get in the playoffs because of the conference we are win.

[Stevev]

The Big South also hurts our recruiting according to some sources. That is one of the things that high school recruits look at when making a decision on where to sign is to play the best competition within reason and get national exposure and the Big South doesn't give us that and we have to do it on our own but the Big South gets in the way of too many aspects of it. It is a detriment that offsets some of our positives such as nice facilities, fan base, and our big budget and high salaries.

I don't think that firing Rocco would be our best option right now but I do believe the administration needs to take a hard look at what we are accomplishing and holding him to a higher standard. Scheduling needs to improve drastically and some of that is being locked into the Big South but our OOC scheduling needs a serious upgrade to at least get us back to what it was under Karcher or Rutigliano to hold Rocco accountable to actual results against better competition instead of him getting away with beating up on poor competition and getting all of the glory. Scheduling at LU has never been easy but we have some very good schedules back in the 90's and in some years amoungst the toughest in 1AA. So we can do it because we have done it in the past.

[TDDance234]

This is not about wins and losses. It's about laying an absolute egg at the worst time. It seems to happen every year around this time and that's the frustrating part. It's the Presby's, the Stony Brooks and now the Coastal. All 3 teams we should have beat and in two of those years, we're marching to the playoffs if we win.

Forgive me for being quick to jump on the move in a new direction boat but there needs to be SOME accountability here. Yes, Rocco is a very good coach and has taken us from possibly the worst program in America to a very solid one. But these losses and refusal to adjust are two major red flags that we've gone as far as we're going to go under Rocco.

If this loss stood on it's own, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact that this is the third year in a row is a huge eye-opener.

[jcmanson]

If this loss stood on it's own, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact that this is the third year in a row is a huge eye-opener.

I agree, but I also think he deserves one more year to try and fix it. Major changes need to happen though. No more trying to change our defense to a 3-2-5/hybrid crap. No more saying this is our fastest defense ever. No more slogans of "unfinished business". No more long bus trip, small stadium lame excuses. Some coaches need to be let go.

As I said earlier, a year from now, if we're in the same boat, then we'll see what Jerry and Barber decide to do.

[olldflame]

While some very valid points have been made in this discussion, assuming the word "coach" is referring to the HEAD COACH, I absolutely disagree with the initial premise contained in the thread title. Now is not the time to get rid of Danny Rocco. I do believe it is the time to stop drinking the Rocco as messiah koolade and look at what needs to be done to acheive the next step in this programs progress, which is a berth in the playoffs.

Tenacity is needed in a coach, but so is creativity. Danny has plenty of the former, but hasn't shown much of the latter. He seems to too often take the position, "we're going to keep trying this til we make it work" instead of seeing it isn't working and finding something different that will. The creative part doesn't necessarily need to come from him if that's not his strong point, but he needs to find someone who has it and let them use it.

A few weeks ago people here were upset that we didn't throw the ball to Summers on practically every play because "noone can stop him". Not sure if it's the same ones, but now we're mad because we keep trying the fade on the goal line even though the defense knows it's coming, and we have ample evidence that as good as he is, he is NOT unstoppable.

I think our staff would benefit from having a more open mind in utilizing some untapped talent we have on this team. It looks like players are not getting a chance because of the things they can't do instead of utilizing the things they can. Why do we recruit tight ends anyway, if we aren't going to throw them the ball...............EVER? (And please don't point out Shaver's drop against JMU after all the failed fade patterns to Summers we have thrown since then.) Should we not utilize big athletic fullbacks to carry the ball in short yardage because they aren't able to do all of the things we ask our tailbacks to do? Just askin. I think we really need to open up and be less rigid in our thinking.

[Sly Fox]

I hope everyone feels better getting this all off their chests. While I disagree with many of the opinions voiced in this thread, I believe the discussion has served a purpose.

I feel confident that Coach Rocco didn't need this board to recognize that there are issues with the current state of the team. And I feel confident he will make proper adjustments.

And for the record, I go back to the Hout days so I don't simply compare our current situation to the Karcher era.