[Rooster Cogburn]

Well said. People want perfection from a team that is nit that far past being a mess. The wins are wins. We are not yet ASU or Montana so stop treating us that way. I still believe Rocco is the right man and will take us to the playoffs. That is unless our fans scare him off. It takes time to build something from nothing.

[Stevev]

It would be nice to see what Coach Rocco's teams would do when playing a Karcher or Rutigliano like schedule. It is hard to even begin to compare a coach's success with the soft schedules we have been playing the last 5 seasons and maybe Rocco doesn't hold all of the cards with scheduling. Not saying he should be replaced just yet. But he is highly overrated.

[ToTheLeft]

Yes, I am mad at the 1-2 losses, particularly the ones that come as a result of the same old mistakes and broken schemes.

And I am numb to most of the wins since they're mostly over cupcakes, as I listed out. He hasn't done anything to separate himself from your average Big South coach. And nothing about Liberty, with our budget and enrollment and facilities, should be anywhere close to average in the Big South. It's unacceptable. If you're okay with above average, that's fine. That's what Rocco is bringing. A team that is above average.

I've said before, and I'll say again, if changes are made and things improve, then keep Rocco. He's a great recruiter and a good guy. I just don't see any proof that he's even TRIED to change the things that are broken.

Terelle Hudgins and Scott Riddle torched us the same way CCU did.
William and Mary, in a very bad year, used their TE the same way CCU did.
Parmele from Toledo ran through all of our weak arm tackles and thru our 3-4, the same way CCU's RB's did.
Presby's QB found open WR's and marched down the field on us, keeping our D tired and on the field, the same way CCU did.
Lafayette used a balanced offense and a strong defense, combined with dominating special teams, to keep us under control, just like CCU.

He even switched to a 4 man front and had success with it, then switched right back to his same old scheme and got blown out of the water against a CCU team with a great passing game.

I just want to see something that's getting better. This program isn't a mess anymore. There's no more Karcher anything here. It's Barber bringing in money, helping to raise up a huge, awesome stadium, and a team full of Rocco recruits. You can blame a couple early losses on residual Karcher crap, but RMU and CCU is squarely on Rocco.

BRYANT beat Robert Morris today. BRYANT. They give out 15 football schollies. DAYTON also beat RMU, they give out 0 football schollies. How many do we give out? How big is our budget? How high were we ranked?

It's the same crap every time. I want to see how we're getting better under Rocco, because all I see is more and more of the absolute same exact thing. We played Toledo exactly the same as we played Ball State. We should have lost the Ball State game right at the end, just like we did Toledo. You forget that BSU had a touchdown pass with under a minute left IN THE HANDS of the WR , wide open, down the middle of the field, and he simply dropped it, untouched, uninterefered. If he catches it, it's the Toldeo game all over again. It's the same as 2007. Nothing's changed. Since I've been at LU, it's been the exact same. A couple decentish wins and some embarrassing losses. It's not just LU fans who think we should be winning these games. Coaches, writers, other team's fans, they all believed we were a top 20 team. Top 20 teams don't lose to Presby, or Lafayette at home, or 4-5 Coastal, or Stony Brook with a playoff spot on the line.

So show me what's improved. I can show you what's stayed stagnant, what hasn't improved, and what needs to change. What I am looking for is what has improved that can be attributed to Rocco, and not to Barber and Co. The stadium, the TV deals, the FOC, the weight room, that's all athletics. What has Rocco improved since he's been here. 2006 he gets a winning season out of a team that was a mess, 2007 he wins the Big South, and then nothing's changed since. If 06-07 is enough to keep him around, then why was Dunton let go? Why would you let any coach go, if you can pull up memories of years past and say "But, but, he won this one year! Look at what he did back then!"

[ToTheLeft]

Well said. People want perfection from a team that is nit that far past being a mess. The wins are wins. We are not yet ASU or Montana so stop treating us that way. I still believe Rocco is the right man and will take us to the playoffs. That is unless our fans scare him off. It takes time to build something from nothing.

If the fans scare him off, he's not the right man for the job.

And I don't expect perfection. I do expect the team to handle business. A close loss today would be expected, a road game against an average team is always dangerous. But to be outcoached, outplayed, and embarrassed like we were today is unacceptable, and it's proof that nothing's changed in terms of schemes and how to stop things like that from happening again, since this has happened before, and at this rate, it will happen again.

[Schfourteenteen]

RD had a 7-23 record, Graduation Rate problems, and recruiting violations sprinkled in there.

[El Scorcho]

If 06-07 is enough to keep him around, then why was Dunton let go?

Whoa whoa whoa.

I'm on board with a lot of what you're saying, but that's horrible comparison. Rocco has had winning seasons every season and he's won the conference every year but his first. That in and of itself is a change from the football past. He has performed adequately.

More importantly, he's run the program well off the field. That's no small feat and a very very important part of being a head coach.

Terrible comparison.

[ToTheLeft]

If 06-07 is enough to keep him around, then why was Dunton let go?

Whoa whoa whoa.

I'm on board with a lot of what you're saying, but that's horrible comparison. Rocco has had winning seasons every season and he's won the conference every year but his first. That in and of itself is a change from the football past. He has performed adequately.

More importantly, he's run the program well off the field. That's no small feat and a very very important part of being a head coach.

Terrible comparison.

I'm not comparing anyone to RD. The point was, if you can bring back the past, then RD should have never left because he won the Big South.

My position on RD differs from most, but I accept that the program wasn't going great when he left and it has had its ups and downs since, but that's way besides the point. The point was, living on the past can cloud the truth about what is currently going on with a coach. We didn't allow that to happen with RD, since the things he was doing at the time trumped his past success. No one is doing that with Rocco.

The point was to say you could make a case for any coach to stay as long as he had some success, especially if the previous regime had little success when the new coach took over. I want to focus on right now with Rocco, and how things have changed since he got his program in place.

He's running it adequately, I agree. And that's not good enough for me. It's entirely possible I'm too demanding, but I don't see anything improving.

And there are some really solid guys on the football team. There's also some questionable ones. I won't go into speculations or rumors but it's not like it's perfection. It's just like any team. But I agree that Rocco is a great guy and he has a team with many great guys on it. I feel like there's plenty of Godly men who know football who could create the same environment. If we hired Ed Gomes tomorrow to be the head football coach we'd have a great team of God fearing young men who'd be an incredible witness.

I guess I just see the same problems over and over, and "bringing us from 1-10" doesn't cut it. I have admitted before and I'll admit again that I wasn't around for 1-10, but even still, I've gone thru a similar situation with my Bucs.

Team was stagnant with Dungy. He brought us from nothing and made us a contender. But we could never get to the top. We bring in Gruden, year one, bang. Super Bowl. Sometimes all it takes is a change. And in this case, it might not be Rocco that needs to be the one changed... But right now, we're stuck in Dungy. Lot's of good with no great. If it remains this way, then he doesn't deserve to stay, because accepting anything less than the best is, as Vanilla Ice would say, a felony.

I accept your point that we might not have a Gruden available to us, to use my analogy. There might not be a guy out there who could give us the spark were we to replace Rocco. But that's something we'll never know until it happens.

[Rooster Cogburn]

here we go.

[Schfourteenteen]

A perfectly timed eye roll! How will ToTheLeft respond? History says he will threaten to disappear. Good news is he won't actually vanish.....the same can not be said about the Liberty Mets Defense.

[Th3rd]

i think sch14 should start doing play-by-play for every board argument... that would make them so much more fun and enjoyable to read haha

[ToTheLeft]

A perfectly timed eye roll! How will ToTheLeft respond? History says he will threaten to disappear. Good news is he won't actually vanish.....the same can not be said about the Liberty Mets Defense.

Another good comparison tho. I'll remember that one. Liberty = The Mets.

[thepostman]

I agree with the thought that we should give Rocco one more year...if at that point we are the same spot we are in now...losing to teams we should beat, then maybe we should look elsewhere.

But I also agree with scorcho...Rocco is probably the best we can do, especially with the Christian dynamic...

So with that said it is a much easier said then done...we all want to get better, but can we do better then Rocco??

That is a serious question that should be asked before jumping to any final decision...

ps...bringing RD up was a horrible idea

[ToTheLeft]

If I was comparing anyone's situation to RD, then yes. However, I was using RD's situation and his obvious faults while at LU to prove a point, that past success can't save you from current shortcomings. Rocco's shortcomings aren't anything like those of RD, not even remotely close. To attribute that kind of statement to me would be twisting my words, since I believe Rocco is running the program really well, which is apparently something that was a concern when RD was here. To be clear, nothing about Rocco resembles RD, I was using an analogy. Sorry for the confusion.

I wish I had "Cider Jim" next to my posts and not "ToTheLeft", since he can mention RD and get away with it.

[Rooster Cogburn]

losing to teams we should beat

By who's definition?

On the other point, I've often wondered who those who want Rocco fired want hired and if they would come.

[phoenix]

We're like a bunch of hyperbolic spazzoids that can only exist at one extreme or another. We hype the team to national championship contenders because we're rolling, and then one bad loss and we're firing the coach. We do the same exact thing in basketball. Could it be somewhere in the middle? Maybe we're a pretty good team with some flaws playing a conference game where the opposing coach knows us as well as we do.

This.

I am HOPING that Coach Rocco starts to look seriously at the defense he has in place, because this game should certainly be a wakeup call. I'm willing to give him another season to right this ship, and accomplish the goals he has set for the team.

[Schfourteenteen]

losing to teams we should beat

By who's definition?

Every Computer Poll
The Coaches Poll
Danny Rocco's Poll
Everyone here
You

[Hold My Own]

Interesting thread. Ironic too b/c I was just with a NFL player that's been following LU football closely and his comment today was...."LU needs to pay this guy whatever he wants" One reason he said was "b/c he will take them DI because he understands the unique recruiting LU requires" along with some other reasons.



Not saying he's right over those that are calling for Rocco's head but I find it interesting the complete different spectrum's people are on. I think the truth is in the middle....it's never as good as we want it to be and those that put any sport or person on a platform that is so high there is only one way to go.

[aredd33]

losing to teams we should beat

By who's definition?

Every Computer Poll
The Coaches Poll
Danny Rocco's Poll
Everyone here
You

hahahahaha...couldn't agree more

[ToTheLeft]

We're like a bunch of hyperbolic spazzoids that can only exist at one extreme or another. We hype the team to national championship contenders because we're rolling, and then one bad loss and we're firing the coach. We do the same exact thing in basketball. Could it be somewhere in the middle? Maybe we're a pretty good team with some flaws playing a conference game where the opposing coach knows us as well as we do.

This.

I am HOPING that Coach Rocco starts to look seriously at the defense he has in place, because this game should certainly be a wakeup call. I'm willing to give him another season to right this ship, and accomplish the goals he has set for the team.

And as I've said, if there are changes, then we're good to go. There's a lot of things in this program that have been done well since Rocco got here. There's also things that have done nothing but remain a thorn in the side. If changes are made and the results reflect those changes, then I am all for Danny Rocco. But to me, today proved he's not changing a thing. But as long as he's still here (because it's not like he or Barber give a crap about what I have to say), he can win me back by changing things up.

[rogers3]

here we go.

This conversation is pretty sad. I have been following Coastal's program for the last few years; the "fire CDB" sentiment was pretty common. Most agreed that he should fire a few assistants and should have another year to rectify the situation. This year, Coastal starts 1-3 and the rumblings begin; obviously, he's 5-5, having only a loss to SB in conference play, and he everything is rosy.
Fans are so predictable. I'm not surprised about the loss, but I don't feel so down on Rocco. I would like to see some horses in the RB stable next year, as these guys are the primary reason our offense has become so easy to read. I also think that the defense has sucked most of the year- sometimes it seems as they are playing prevent the whole game. I sure would like to hear Rocco and our defensive coordinator talk about the first half.

[ToTheLeft]

Interesting thread. Ironic too b/c I was just with a NFL player that's been following LU football closely and his comment today was...."LU needs to pay this guy whatever he wants" One reason he said was "b/c he will take them DI because he understands the unique recruiting LU requires" along with some other reasons.



Not saying he's right over those that are calling for Rocco's head but find it interesting the complete different spectrum's people are on

One thing I don't and can't knock is how DR runs the program and how he recruits. If he could change up his in-game and pre-game coaching and scheming, and improve on those, then I'd be the one starting the "Let's Pay Danny Rocco the Combined GDP of Ireland and England" thread.

[Schfourteenteen]

Interesting thread. Ironic too b/c I was just with a NFL player that's been following LU football closely and his comment today was...."LU needs to pay this guy whatever he wants" One reason he said was "b/c he will take them DI because he understands the unique recruiting LU requires" along with some other reasons.



Not saying he's right over those that are calling for Rocco's head but find it interesting the complete different spectrum's people are on

There's a big difference between noon and 6PM. Which one?

I don't see why we should get rid of him....but he needs to make adjustments to better fit his players.

[Schfourteenteen]

More disturbing than the Liberty Mets -

Equinox and Ared are new fans of TTL. TTL is putting together an NCCAA Dynasty Army full of these kids. Rooster better give Equinox and Ared a call and make their helmets green or we could be looking at an epic PPV efight.

Well, another one.

[Hold My Own]

Interesting thread. Ironic too b/c I was just with a NFL player that's been following LU football closely and his comment today was...."LU needs to pay this guy whatever he wants" One reason he said was "b/c he will take them DI because he understands the unique recruiting LU requires" along with some other reasons.



Not saying he's right over those that are calling for Rocco's head but find it interesting the complete different spectrum's people are on

There's a big difference between noon and 6PM. Which one?

I don't see why we should get rid of him....but he needs to make adjustments to better fit his players.

Wow

[Schfourteenteen]

Wow?