[PAmedic]

Bob Good of the Flames Club said that LU was agressively bidding to host the first round and any additional rounds. Hosting could give our program tons of exposure

Just win. I don't care where we are -- if we win, we'll get all the exposure we could want.

agreed. We are focusing on "hosting" and "additional rounds" already (which I know, from a practical standpoint, we need to do AHEAD of time)

but I get a sick feeling in my gut when this discussion happens so publicly before we've even clinched a berth

then again, I'm a Phillies fan and look what happened there...

[SuperJon]

I think you have to remember that there's a big time disconnect for what the people in Athletics do as opposed to what the people on the Football staff do.

Athletics has to start making plans now to host. The amount of people it takes to run a game is a small army. They can't just sit and wait until the middle of November and then tell their people, "Oh, be tee dub, we may play the weekend after Thanksgiving at home. You need to be there. I don't care that you already have plans." They start planning for it now, and actually, probably started planning for it before the season even began.

Football, on the other hand, has to worry about winning and only winning. They don't have very much to do with the process of hosting other than their play on the field. Their play is all they have to focus on.

When you hear the Bob Good, or Jeff Barber, or anyone who works in Hancock mention something about hosting, that's a completely different scenario than if you hear Danny Rocco, Tom Clark, or Brandon Streeter talking about it.

[PAmedic]

point taken fatty

PS: when are you gonna update us on your love life?

[ToTheLeft]

Still, I agree with Medic that making that public makes me uneasy. It's more superstition than anything, but leading up to Presby week, and to hear that...

[PAmedic]

I knew someone would get a sig outta that line

I'm like friggin' Shakespear

[Rooster Cogburn]

I agree with Medic, and Jon, and I'll try to agree with TTL.

[PAmedic]

ok- this came up in conversation and I can't figure out the answer:

what happens if we beat CCU, but lose to SBU, and SBU (who beat CCU) loses to PC, who we beat, but who lost to CCU?

[ToTheLeft]

ok- this came up in conversation and I can't figure out the answer:

what happens if we beat CCU, but lose to SBU, and SBU (who beat CCU) loses to PC, who we beat, but who lost to CCU?

If SBU beats us and we're tied with them, they get the bid. It doesn't matter who else they beat or didn't beat. In the Big South, there's no way to have an unbreakable tie, since everyone plays everyone else. There's no scenario other than a tie (which isn't possible) in which two teams could be tied for first and need a tiebreaker beyond head-to-head matchup.

[ToTheLeft]

The only issue is a 3-way tie, which I assume they'd handle the same way as they do in basketball.

[ToTheLeft]

So the really confusing scenario would be...

LU loses to CCU and SBU, CCU loses to VMI, SBU loses to PC and G-W, and VMI beats G-W

That'd be a 4 way tie for first.

[PAmedic]

The only issue is a 3-way tie, which I assume they'd handle the same way as they do in basketball.

you had me until THIS ^^^

1. what way is that?

2. so basically, if LU,SBU and CCU all end up w/ 1 loss- but SBU beat us and CCU: SBU is the champs.

IE: if LU/SBU meet as undefeateds- the winner takes all & CCU is out

[PAmedic]

PS: I knew TTL would be the one to answer- I shouldve just PM'd you

we're the only 2 idiots that enjoy getting headaches over this stuff.

except maybe SUMITUP

[jcmanson]

Update: Presby, VMI, CSU, and now GW have been eliminated. With 3 games to go, its a 3 team race

Current Standings:
Liberty 3-0
Stony Brook 3-0
Coastal 2-1
VMI 2-2
GW 1-2
Presby 1-3
CSU 0-4

11/6 schedule
LU @ GW
CCU @ VMI
SBU @ PC

CSU @ Kentucky

[jcmanson]

2. so basically, if LU,SBU and CCU all end up w/ 1 loss- but SBU beat us and CCU: SBU is the champs.

IE: if LU/SBU meet as undefeateds- the winner takes all & CCU is out

If we all end up with 1 loss that means Coastal beat us, SBU beat CCU and we beat SBU. In a 3 way tie they generally take the records amongst the teams in that tie. We would all be 1-1. I have no idea how to break that tie. A coin flip? God forbid...

If LU/SBU meet as undefeateds then the winner takes all because CCU would then have 2 losses.

[JK37]

In manson's scenario above, I believe the next course of action os to consider the three teams' records against each successive team left in the rankings until the tie is broken. For example, take the 3 teams' record against the 4th place team. If they all won, move on the 5th place. If Teams A and B beat #5, but Team C lost to them, they're out. Now, move on to 6th place. Team A lost to them, but Team B beat them. So now, Team B is your champion by virtue of the fifth (I think) tiebreaker.

PS: I kinda like these headaches, too!

[jcmanson]

In manson's scenario above, I believe the next course of action os to consider the three teams' records against each successive team left in the rankings until the tie is broken. For example, take the 3 teams' record against the 4th place team. If they all won, move on the 5th place. If Teams A and B beat #5, but Team C lost to them, they're out. Now, move on to 6th place. Team A lost to them, but Team B beat them. So now, Team B is your champion by virtue of the fifth (I think) tiebreaker.

PS: I kinda like these headaches, too!

But all 3 (us, CCU, SBU) would be unbeaten against the rest of the conference. So, no way to break the tiebreaker that way. I seriously think it would be a coin flip. Unless KK is smart and uses something like highest GPI ranking. Which would definitely be us.

[olldflame]

I don't think they would reduce that decision to a coin flip. I'm pretty sure there is a "comittee" headed up by KK which would choose the conference representive if all tiebreakers are equal, and you can bet that GPI and other rankings would play a key role.

[ToTheLeft]

In manson's scenario above, I believe the next course of action os to consider the three teams' records against each successive team left in the rankings until the tie is broken. For example, take the 3 teams' record against the 4th place team. If they all won, move on the 5th place. If Teams A and B beat #5, but Team C lost to them, they're out. Now, move on to 6th place. Team A lost to them, but Team B beat them. So now, Team B is your champion by virtue of the fifth (I think) tiebreaker.

PS: I kinda like these headaches, too!

This is what I meant by "how they do it in basketball".

We'd all compare our records against the next highest ranked team.

And we wouldn't all be undefeated against the rest of the conference. SBU would have to have lost to PC.

[jcmanson]

In manson's scenario above, I believe the next course of action os to consider the three teams' records against each successive team left in the rankings until the tie is broken. For example, take the 3 teams' record against the 4th place team. If they all won, move on the 5th place. If Teams A and B beat #5, but Team C lost to them, they're out. Now, move on to 6th place. Team A lost to them, but Team B beat them. So now, Team B is your champion by virtue of the fifth (I think) tiebreaker.

PS: I kinda like these headaches, too!

This is what I meant by "how they do it in basketball".

We'd all compare our records against the next highest ranked team.

And we wouldn't all be undefeated against the rest of the conference. SBU would have to have lost to PC.

Not if we're all 5-1

[PAmedic]

ok- this came up in conversation and I can't figure out the answer:

what happens if we beat CCU, but lose to SBU, and SBU (who beat CCU) loses to PC, who we beat, but who lost to CCU?

yes- this was the scenario I was asking about when I started this mess at 0130 this AM

so we've come full circle- and no really has an answer

our luck: this is exactly what happens. I'm sure KK will be objective tho [/cynicism]

[olldflame]

SBU has already beaten CCU. The only way CCU finishes 5-1 is if they win out and beat us. If we lose to CCU, the only way we finish 5-1 is to beat G-W and SBU, in which case all 3 are 1-1 against each other and undefeated against the rest of the BSC.

[PAmedic]

SBU has already beaten CCU. The only way CCU finishes 5-1 is if they win out and beat us. If we lose to CCU, the only way we finish 5-1 is to beat G-W and SBU, in which case all 3 are 1-1 against each other and undefeated against the rest of the BSC.

YES

I KNOW

THATS MY POINT

THATS WHY I'M ASKING

[olldflame]

ok- this came up in conversation and I can't figure out the answer:

what happens if we beat CCU, but lose to SBU, and SBU (who beat CCU) loses to PC, who we beat, but who lost to CCU?

yes- this was the scenario I was asking about when I started this mess at 0130 this AM

so we've come full circle- and no really has an answer

our luck: this is exactly what happens. I'm sure KK will be objective tho [/cynicism]

In that scenario, CCU has 2 loss, and it is only a 2 way tie. The first tie-breaker is head to head. SBU gets the autobid.

[PAmedic]

ok.

so we just win out and its no problem

easy enough

[olldflame]

ok.

so we just win out and its no problem

easy enough

We have to beat SBU. We could lose to CCU but beat SBU and G-W, and if everything else goes by chalk, that's where we get the 3 way tie and the "decision". In that case, I like our chances, but I sure hope it doesn't come to that. If we lose to SBU, even if PC upsets them, they are in.