[thepostman]

How many people leave to go to hockey games? It was my experience for the MOST PART the student who went to hockey games over football games never went to football games anyways..yes, there were a few hundred, at most, that left early to go to a game...but for the most part people leave because they are hitting up a movie, they are getting some food, they are going to do whatever it is their friends are doing...because football games are just where kids go to hang out with a game going on in the background...

People leaving for hockey games early isn't really the problem...its a combination of several things...the biggest being people just don't view our team as truly Division I...its the same problem they have at the majority of FCS schools...and I am not sure most FCS programs would say we have a HUGE problem to begin with...we have a problem, that is for sure, but its not unique to FCS level programs with very few exceptions to that rule

[Rooster Cogburn]

DANNY ROCCO>Jay Mills

Brown to Summers Karate chop says so!

[LUconn]

Have the pictures from the helicopter been posted anywhere yet?

[bozlady]

Re-cap of LU Homecoming - Sly and his family are in it - don't blink though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_0Qn7bD10

[bigsmooth]

leave hockey out of this...i just do not feel that it has anything to do with it. there is certainly a core group that goes to hockey games and that is great. nothing wrong with their preferences, but its just not the problem. maybe student activities, intramurals, hockey, athletics, and the chancellor should all get together, and discuss not have anything going on during football games, maybe it would force a bored, non-traditional football fan to come to a game....just a thought. i really think LU is too big for that, but it's an option.

[Cider Jim]

As far as Cheerleaders go....this sums up my thoughts on cheerleading. I picked them up from the airport at the WVU game and they were all talking about how nervous they were....like shaking nervous.

Maybe they were nervous being in our presence; maybe it was your driving; maybe they thought your ride would blow a fuse again, and they would be stuck in backwoods WV.

PS--if ever need a backup driver, put Flame Convert on your speed dial.

[Cider Jim]

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[Hold My Own]

I was just told the dining hall doesnt close early on Saturday's. So back to the drawing board.


Oh and I agree with Smooth. If anything there is something to be learned by hockey not mentioned in a negative light.

[ATrain]

So who was hockey playing that people went to the game?

My idea is the average student saw "Hockey v. big-name school," and "Football v. who???" and once we started to run away with the football game people just left and went to see the hockey game. Plus, when I was living on-campus, the hockey players did a lot more to engage the student body than from what I saw the football team do, but most of those years were in the Ken Karcher era.

[Schfourteenteen]

If anything there is something to be learned by hockey.

Yes to this. Charge students to get in the game, then give each football player 200 tickets to give away in class.

[SuperJon]

I have always wondered if making students get physical tickets would make them more apt to stay the entire game. They'd still be free, but they'd have to go by the ticket office throughout the week to pick up their tickets. The earlier you get your tickets, the better your seats. This would put a value on the ticket and then would let the students tailgate longer and not worry about losing their seats while giving them energy for the second half.

Could be a good idea, could be stupid. It's not my place to decide.

[LCA&LU Mom]

I have always wondered if making students get physical tickets would make them more apt to stay the entire game. They'd still be free, but they'd have to go by the ticket office throughout the week to pick up their tickets. The earlier you get your tickets, the better your seats. This would put a value on the ticket and then would let the students tailgate longer and not worry about losing their seats while giving them energy for the second half.

Could be a good idea, could be stupid. It's not my place to decide.

I think this is an excellent idea. Add this:

then give each football player "x" # of tickets to give away in class.

and you've got a plan.

[olldflame]

I have always wondered if making students get physical tickets would make them more apt to stay the entire game. They'd still be free, but they'd have to go by the ticket office throughout the week to pick up their tickets. The earlier you get your tickets, the better your seats. This would put a value on the ticket and then would let the students tailgate longer and not worry about losing their seats while giving them energy for the second half.

Could be a good idea, could be stupid. It's not my place to decide.

I really like that idea, and to the best of my knowledge this is how most of the FBS programs who have a high demand for student seats handle it. They then have a line forming way in advance (tents and all) to get the tickets. Perhaps the most extreme example would be Duke basketball. We obviously don't have that level of demand yet, but not having to arrive extremely early to get a decent seat would IMHO be a plus in terms of increasing the number who stay til the end.

[Hold My Own]

If anything there is something to be learned by hockey.

Yes to this. Charge students to get in the game, then give each football player 200 tickets to give away in class.

I'm picking up on some sarcasm but I would keep in mind they are self sustaining which is unique to other sports on campus. So there again, there is something to be learned.

[flamesfan30]

i think if we had tickets it would actually decrease the number who actually go. right now we have fans that don't care about football coming to the games, because their friends who love football go. i think that changes when you go to tickets and dorms cant sit together. that would wreck the social factor at the games and cut student attendance in half. what we have now is fragile, and it will take time to grow. offering swipes at the game will help. it doesn't matter that the rot is open until 7pm (which you would still have to leave in the 4th quarter to make, and they start putting food away at 6:45 anyway, so your meal would probably suck if you got there that late.)

i think tickets and the noon start, and it being off campus were the major factors in people not going to the st francis game. it made doing the game as a bro/sis activity impossible. if tickets relate to certain areas (how do you do that without assigning seats?) of the bill it will have the same result.

we went from 6,000 student seats to 7,000 student seats with only adding maybe 1 or 2 hundred students. we still had 6,000 students at the game, at least for the beginning.

now this may have nothing to do with anything, and may just be propagation of a stereotype... but we have 7,500 on campus residential students and 4,500 commuters. it takes commuters more effort to come to a game than residential students, and i think at at least some move off campus are trying to get away from the liberty culture as much as they can. that would probably include not coming to the football games, as they'd have to find parking along with the paying customers.

more residential students= more students coming to the games. liberty will grow faster than the % of real liberty football fans will grow.

[Schfourteenteen]

If anything there is something to be learned by hockey.

Yes to this. Charge students to get in the game, then give each football player 200 tickets to give away in class.

I'm picking up on some sarcasm but I would keep in mind they are self sustaining which is unique to other sports on campus. So there again, there is something to be learned.

Actually, no. This would give some value to the seats, and as you(maybe?) mentioned earlier fans will stick around to get their money's worth. At the same time, there would be enough free tickets in circulation to offset the idea of paying for a ticket - which students won't do.

I do like Jon's idea better - keeping the tickets in the hands of staffers. Plus, I'm not sure if football players really want to get mugged in the hallways for tickets. Well.....the walk-ons would love it. Either way, It wouldn't be right to have football players do the work we have paid staff/interns for. Maybe players get the option to give away tickets? Idk.

To FF30 - I don't see Liberty moving away from the GA model. They could still print GA tickets.

[TDDance234]

I have always wondered if making students get physical tickets would make them more apt to stay the entire game. They'd still be free, but they'd have to go by the ticket office throughout the week to pick up their tickets. The earlier you get your tickets, the better your seats. This would put a value on the ticket and then would let the students tailgate longer and not worry about losing their seats while giving them energy for the second half.

Could be a good idea, could be stupid. It's not my place to decide.

There are holes in every plan but I can see students going to get tickets "just in case" they want to go to the game and end up going to Movies10 instead, leaving those seats unoccupied until at least the second half. If you give those seats away before the second half, you have to deal with kid showing up 30 minutes late and expecting to have his seat which is rightfully his because he has the ticket.

In theory, this sounds good but at our level, it would create a few more headaches that shouldn't necessarily be right now.

[LUconn]

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Awesome.

[bozlady]

This is SOOOO awesome, thanks LUConn. It gives me chills and it's the closest I'll ever get to jumping out of a plane! Thanks for sharing!

[kuntryboimike]

This is a shame. From TSN:

Charleston Southern QB to miss rest of season
Charleston, SC (Sports Network) - Senior quarterback A.J. Toscano's career at Charleston Southern has come to an end after he suffered an anterior cruciate ligament tear in this past weekend's game.

Toscano, in his second season as a starter, has already used his redshirt season because of a knee injury in 2008. He played the 2006 and '07 seasons at Cerritos College.

This season, Toscano completed 82 of 135 passes for 1,066 yards, nine touchdowns and four interceptions. He was injured in last Saturday's game against Liberty.

Senior Andrew Trudnowski is expected to start Saturday against Gardner-Webb.

Charleston Southern is 2-3 overall and 0-1 in the Big South Conference.

10/13 10:12:25 ET

[olldflame]

That does suck. I was counting on him tearing SBU and GW apart.

Really tough break for Toscano, but to be honest, I thought Trudnowski did a better job against us. I think CSU still will give the rest of the BSC all they can handle.

[LUnpretty11]

That does suck. I was counting on him tearing SBU and GW apart.

Really tough break for Toscano, but to be honest, I thought Trudnowski did a better job against us. I think CSU still will give the rest of the BSC all they can handle.

No kidding. The guy is a R-Sr. Sure he may not have the mobile ability of Toscano, but Trudnowski made some very very good reads, and was seeing the field very well. He picked us a part. The stats he accumulated were over 2.5 quarters. That's ridiculous.

For those who would like to know:
TRUDNOWSKI, Andrew 15 COMP - 22 ATT-1INT 189 Yards 2 TD's 25 Long 1 Sacked

[bozlady]

This game is re-airing tonight on the Liberty channel (www.wtlutv.com) at 8pm e.s.t.