[JMU Supporter]

I was pretty clear in what I said in my post. You all are a better program then we are, without a doubt, but not nearly as great of a program as you make JMU out to be.

so if you can't figure that you then I am not sure what to tell ya...

thanks for giving me a pinpoint answer. I'll just assume we are the second or third best team in the country and you guys are the 21st.

[WinterIsComing]

Drew Dudzik said something interesting after the win over VTech. I can't find the quote online anymore, maybe someone else can, but I'll paraphrase.

Our top 50 can't beat VTech's top 50. But our starting 11 can go up against anyone's starting 11 in the FBS and we have a good chance of winning. The top 8-10 teams in the FCS can play with anyone, we aren't pushovers anymore.

I find it very telling of where their program is, and gives us something to strive for. I think we can beat JMU, but we have to bring our A+ game and hope they have some struggles.

[thepostman]

I was pretty clear in what I said in my post. You all are a better program then we are, without a doubt, but not nearly as great of a program as you make JMU out to be.

so if you can't figure that you then I am not sure what to tell ya...

thanks for giving me a pinpoint answer. I'll just assume we are the second or third best team in the country and you guys are the 21st.

I mean if you want me to rank you all I would say top 10 without a doubt, but there aren't a lot of powerhouse programs in FCS...I can't give you an exact ranking because honestly I would have to look more into it.

You all are a very good program, just not great yet. It takes more then 5 or 6 years of success and some minor success in the 90's to be a great program.

Then again I don't just throw the word "great" around very easily, everybody is great it seems...

[centdukesfan]

don't mean to interrupt... but im still waiting for my lynchburg bride

[Schfourteenteen]

don't mean to interrupt... but im still waiting for my lynchburg bride

You didn't say she had to be good looking, correct? We have some cows we can ship to you.

[ToTheLeft]

I think we've gone along for a long time with no one to check us. We've been able to say stupid things for years now because there's no opposing fans to say anything back. CCU had a couple and now that they're losing to Towson on a regular basis, they're gone. We can say whatever we want, from "LU would compete for a CAA title this year" to "This was our worst IAA loss" to "Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them" and who knows what else, and there's no one to say "Uhhh, no, that's wrong." And any time an LU fan points out a fellow LU fan's stupid statement, they're a big bully who needs to be nice and let the fans be fans. Heaven forbid someone mention that Saint Rocco isn't coaching a good defense! That guy should be here forever, we'll be winning BCS games in no time if he stays!

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a ton of reasonable JMU fans out there. Ones that are used to big games, and can handle the emotions of this situation. Saying things like "LU will want this game much, much more than we will, so we'll need our guys to show up when it matters". No LU fans says anything remotely this reasonable, ever! We call games a "potential trap game" because we feel we're light years ahead of every team we play, and then we feel like we're the worst team in the nation (see the score prediction thread) when we lose.

And I'm not exempt from this, but I have been able to take a step back for a while and enjoy sports without the constant banter here, and now that I'm back I see some of the reasons I left. SJ summed it up well, we go from being a national title contender with Mike Brown as player of the universe, to a team that won't be within 30 of JMU. Did it really change that much this weekend?

I'm saying we need to chill out with opposing coaches and fans. We need to be reasonable. We're a top 25 team with some talent and a good coach. We can win any game on our schedule. That doesn't mean we're worldbeaters, and the loss to RMU doesn't mean we suck. But we're going into our biggest regular season game this season and we're all wound up about it, and making fools of ourselves.

Carry on however you want this week. I have a good feeling well be very competitive in this game, because we're going to want this game more than JMU for a myriad of reasons. We're the Giants, they're the Patriots. There's no reason anyone should expect us to win from an outsiders perspective, but there's every reason for our guys to go out with nothing to lose and do their best to win. And I think we can. Saturday will show if we make that a reality.

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@Postie

In a non-Game Thread post since I've come back, show me an example of me going off the deep end?

I took time away because I couldn't handle all the emotional back and forth (from myself and everyone else). I'm back and I still see it, and wanted to point it out. I guess, like I said, that I'm just a big bully who should let everyone have their fun. But I am just as entitled to my opinion as Rooster and treyj and manson are to theirs, and my opinion is that a lot of absurd things have been said, and a lot of unreasonable criticism of other teams fans and coaches comments have been made.

I'm not the one pulling apart every JMU fan and getting my panties in a wad because they make fun of the Liberty Way and their coach said this was our Super Bowl. I'm not the one saying the RMU loss was our worst ever, or that we're going to lose by 40 points. I'm just saying for far too long we've gone without a real opposing fanbase, and now that we have one it's exposing our unreasonable comments even more than usual.

[ToTheLeft]

don't mean to interrupt... but im still waiting for my lynchburg bride

You didn't say she had to be good looking, correct? We have some cows we can ship to you.

I think Kelsey deleted her facebook, she would have been great for him.

[Schfourteenteen]

I did not read this yet but.....WOW.

Where is PeterPan and his alternating color paragraphs?

[Schfourteenteen]

don't mean to interrupt... but im still waiting for my lynchburg bride

You didn't say she had to be good looking, correct? We have some cows we can ship to you.

I think Kelsey deleted her facebook, she would have been great for him.

Correct. I wanted to joke with her about that time she put something really dirty on my fb wall while I was in a (CHOKING) relationship. But she has no facebook, so we are no longer friends.

[ToTheLeft]

...while I was in a (CHOKING) relationship...

You dated Frank Beamer? Isn't he too old for you?

Must have been Mama Cass then.

[thepostman]

don't mean to interrupt... but im still waiting for my lynchburg bride

Well you must be one of two things

A. Wealthy

B. Going into ministry

without one of those 2 things you are going to have a hard time. If you have both, well then you're really going to get the pick of the litter!

[Schfourteenteen]

...while I was in a (CHOKING) relationship...

You dated Frank Beamer? Isn't he too old for you?

Must have been Mama Cass then.

You think you're funny. Just remember that I had to sell my soul just to get to Ham's after a game.

[JMUDukes]

Drew Dudzik said something interesting after the win over VTech. I can't find the quote online anymore, maybe someone else can, but I'll paraphrase.

Our top 50 can't beat VTech's top 50. But our starting 11 can go up against anyone's starting 11 in the FBS and we have a good chance of winning. The top 8-10 teams in the FCS can play with anyone, we aren't pushovers anymore.

I find it very telling of where their program is, and gives us something to strive for. I think we can beat JMU, but we have to bring our A+ game and hope they have some struggles.

yes and I see this as a trend. you will see FBS programs avoiding schools like JMU (and eventually LU) because they are afraid of one game destroying their BCS chances.

[thepostman]

I think we've gone along for a long time with no one to check us. We've been able to say stupid things for years now because there's no opposing fans to say anything back. CCU had a couple and now that they're losing to Towson on a regular basis, they're gone. We can say whatever we want, from "LU would compete for a CAA title this year" to "This was our worst IAA loss" to "Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them" and who knows what else, and there's no one to say "Uhhh, no, that's wrong." And any time an LU fan points out a fellow LU fan's stupid statement, they're a big bully who needs to be nice and let the fans be fans. Heaven forbid someone mention that Saint Rocco isn't coaching a good defense! That guy should be here forever, we'll be winning BCS games in no time if he stays!

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a ton of reasonable JMU fans out there. Ones that are used to big games, and can handle the emotions of this situation. Saying things like "LU will want this game much, much more than we will, so we'll need our guys to show up when it matters". No LU fans says anything remotely this reasonable, ever! We call games a "potential trap game" because we feel we're light years ahead of every team we play, and then we feel like we're the worst team in the nation (see the score prediction thread) when we lose.

And I'm not exempt from this, but I have been able to take a step back for a while and enjoy sports without the constant banter here, and now that I'm back I see some of the reasons I left. SJ summed it up well, we go from being a national title contender with Mike Brown as player of the universe, to a team that won't be within 30 of JMU. Did it really change that much this weekend?

I'm saying we need to chill out with opposing coaches and fans. We need to be reasonable. We're a top 25 team with some talent and a good coach. We can win any game on our schedule. That doesn't mean we're worldbeaters, and the loss to RMU doesn't mean we suck. But we're going into our biggest regular season game this season and we're all wound up about it, and making fools of ourselves.

Carry on however you want this week. I have a good feeling well be very competitive in this game, because we're going to want this game more than JMU for a myriad of reasons. We're the Giants, they're the Patriots. There's no reason anyone should expect us to win from an outsiders perspective, but there's every reason for our guys to go out with nothing to lose and do their best to win. And I think we can. Saturday will show if we make that a reality.

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@Postie

In a non-Game Thread post since I've come back, show me an example of me going off the deep end?

I took time away because I couldn't handle all the emotional back and forth (from myself and everyone else). I'm back and I still see it, and wanted to point it out. I guess, like I said, that I'm just a big bully who should let everyone have their fun. But I am just as entitled to my opinion as Rooster and treyj and manson are to theirs, and my opinion is that a lot of absurd things have been said, and a lot of unreasonable criticism of other teams fans and coaches comments have been made.

I'm not the one pulling apart every JMU fan and getting my panties in a wad because they make fun of the Liberty Way and their coach said this was our Super Bowl. I'm not the one saying the RMU loss was our worst ever, or that we're going to lose by 40 points. I'm just saying for far too long we've gone without a real opposing fanbase, and now that we have one it's exposing our unreasonable comments even more than usual.

example A

this post

I mean I don't have problem with it, because I enjoy your rants, but you do go on your share of rants. I am not sure what makes one person rant worse the another..

this though, my friend, is a little overboard and I only read one sentence...sorry buddy

[thepostman]

by the way, if you really believe I am getting my panties in a bunch because i enjoy arguing with an opposing fan on OUR message board for a change, then you're crazy

its a great feeling!

[ToTheLeft]

So because there's a lot of words, it's a rant and it's overboard?

I tend to thing a couple lines of ignorance is a lot more useless than a paragraph or too of actual reason.

Oh well.

[ToTheLeft]

by the way, if you really believe I am getting my panties in a bunch because i enjoy arguing with an opposing fan on OUR message board for a change, then you're crazy

its a great feeling!

You're hardly one of the people I'm talking about, btw.

[Schfourteenteen]

having been on this board for a couple years, Ive seen a lot of things. One thing that really kinda bothers me is the fact that in many discussions, I will offer some very valid points, but in large part they get ignored. Now I can understand that happening once in a while because I know I say some pretty stupid stuff, but even so, I feel like I make some pretty valid points, but its like no one really cares what I think. Now if my opinions really do not matter that much then maybe Im in the wrong place.

[ToTheLeft]

having been on this board for a couple years, Ive seen a lot of things. One thing that really kinda bothers me is the fact that in many discussions, I will offer some very valid points, but in large part they get ignored. Now I can understand that happening once in a while because I know I say some pretty stupid stuff, but even so, I feel like I make some pretty valid points, but its like no one really cares what I think. Now if my opinions really do not matter that much then maybe Im in the wrong place.

All I'm lookin for is for my posts to be acknowledged...

[From the class of 09]

"Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them"

Just to be clear we could beat Duke. I don't think that is crazy to say at all. They are the annual bottom dweller in the horrible ACC.

[jcmanson]

I think we've gone along for a long time with no one to check us. We've been able to say stupid things for years now because there's no opposing fans to say anything back. CCU had a couple and now that they're losing to Towson on a regular basis, they're gone. We can say whatever we want, from "LU would compete for a CAA title this year" to "This was our worst IAA loss" to "Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them" and who knows what else, and there's no one to say "Uhhh, no, that's wrong." And any time an LU fan points out a fellow LU fan's stupid statement, they're a big bully who needs to be nice and let the fans be fans. Heaven forbid someone mention that Saint Rocco isn't coaching a good defense! That guy should be here forever, we'll be winning BCS games in no time if he stays!

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a ton of reasonable JMU fans out there. Ones that are used to big games, and can handle the emotions of this situation. Saying things like "LU will want this game much, much more than we will, so we'll need our guys to show up when it matters". No LU fans says anything remotely this reasonable, ever! We call games a "potential trap game" because we feel we're light years ahead of every team we play, and then we feel like we're the worst team in the nation (see the score prediction thread) when we lose.

And I'm not exempt from this, but I have been able to take a step back for a while and enjoy sports without the constant banter here, and now that I'm back I see some of the reasons I left. SJ summed it up well, we go from being a national title contender with Mike Brown as player of the universe, to a team that won't be within 30 of JMU. Did it really change that much this weekend?

I'm saying we need to chill out with opposing coaches and fans. We need to be reasonable. We're a top 25 team with some talent and a good coach. We can win any game on our schedule. That doesn't mean we're worldbeaters, and the loss to RMU doesn't mean we suck. But we're going into our biggest regular season game this season and we're all wound up about it, and making fools of ourselves.

Carry on however you want this week. I have a good feeling well be very competitive in this game, because we're going to want this game more than JMU for a myriad of reasons. We're the Giants, they're the Patriots. There's no reason anyone should expect us to win from an outsiders perspective, but there's every reason for our guys to go out with nothing to lose and do their best to win. And I think we can. Saturday will show if we make that a reality.

--

@Postie

In a non-Game Thread post since I've come back, show me an example of me going off the deep end?

I took time away because I couldn't handle all the emotional back and forth (from myself and everyone else). I'm back and I still see it, and wanted to point it out. I guess, like I said, that I'm just a big bully who should let everyone have their fun. But I am just as entitled to my opinion as Rooster and treyj and manson are to theirs, and my opinion is that a lot of absurd things have been said, and a lot of unreasonable criticism of other teams fans and coaches comments have been made.

I'm not the one pulling apart every JMU fan and getting my panties in a wad because they make fun of the Liberty Way and their coach said this was our Super Bowl. I'm not the one saying the RMU loss was our worst ever, or that we're going to lose by 40 points. I'm just saying for far too long we've gone without a real opposing fanbase, and now that we have one it's exposing our unreasonable comments even more than usual.

Read and Acknowledged

[ToTheLeft]

"Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them"

Just to be clear we could beat Duke. I don't think that is crazy to say at all. They are the annual bottom dweller in the horrible ACC.

Just like we could beat SBU, Presby, RMU... I could go on if you'd like?

[HarrisburgFlame]

...while I was in a (CHOKING) relationship...

You dated Frank Beamer? Isn't he too old for you?

Must have been Mama Cass then.

Wow the Beamer Bashing never leaves this place

Like I used to tell people when we "choked" - at least we were good enough to be considered to be in position to "choke". Some teams are just flat out bad so when they lose - it's never considered a "choke" because everyone knows they stink.

The "choke" thing with Beamer - I don't get it. 6 conference titles in the last 15 years - I'd love to have my head coach 'choke" like that. 6 straight 10 win seasons - there are about 115 D-I schools that wish they could "choke" at that level. :>) There have been some bad losses - but also some good wins. Quite a few wins when Tech wasn't favored - is that a "reverse choke"?

Beamer needs to "choke" away his offensive coordinator - but if he "chokes" his way to another 10 win season and "chokes" to another ACC title I bet most Tech fans would take that. I would probably "choke" myself laughing - especially since the ACC blue bloods predicted Tech could never compete in the ACC.

[ToTheLeft]

I think we've gone along for a long time with no one to check us. We've been able to say stupid things for years now because there's no opposing fans to say anything back. CCU had a couple and now that they're losing to Towson on a regular basis, they're gone. We can say whatever we want, from "LU would compete for a CAA title this year" to "This was our worst IAA loss" to "Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them" and who knows what else, and there's no one to say "Uhhh, no, that's wrong." And any time an LU fan points out a fellow LU fan's stupid statement, they're a big bully who needs to be nice and let the fans be fans. Heaven forbid someone mention that Saint Rocco isn't coaching a good defense! That guy should be here forever, we'll be winning BCS games in no time if he stays!

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a ton of reasonable JMU fans out there. Ones that are used to big games, and can handle the emotions of this situation. Saying things like "LU will want this game much, much more than we will, so we'll need our guys to show up when it matters". No LU fans says anything remotely this reasonable, ever! We call games a "potential trap game" because we feel we're light years ahead of every team we play, and then we feel like we're the worst team in the nation (see the score prediction thread) when we lose.

And I'm not exempt from this, but I have been able to take a step back for a while and enjoy sports without the constant banter here, and now that I'm back I see some of the reasons I left. SJ summed it up well, we go from being a national title contender with Mike Brown as player of the universe, to a team that won't be within 30 of JMU. Did it really change that much this weekend?

I'm saying we need to chill out with opposing coaches and fans. We need to be reasonable. We're a top 25 team with some talent and a good coach. We can win any game on our schedule. That doesn't mean we're worldbeaters, and the loss to RMU doesn't mean we suck. But we're going into our biggest regular season game this season and we're all wound up about it, and making fools of ourselves.

Carry on however you want this week. I have a good feeling well be very competitive in this game, because we're going to want this game more than JMU for a myriad of reasons. We're the Giants, they're the Patriots. There's no reason anyone should expect us to win from an outsiders perspective, but there's every reason for our guys to go out with nothing to lose and do their best to win. And I think we can. Saturday will show if we make that a reality.

--

@Postie

In a non-Game Thread post since I've come back, show me an example of me going off the deep end?

I took time away because I couldn't handle all the emotional back and forth (from myself and everyone else). I'm back and I still see it, and wanted to point it out. I guess, like I said, that I'm just a big bully who should let everyone have their fun. But I am just as entitled to my opinion as Rooster and treyj and manson are to theirs, and my opinion is that a lot of absurd things have been said, and a lot of unreasonable criticism of other teams fans and coaches comments have been made.

I'm not the one pulling apart every JMU fan and getting my panties in a wad because they make fun of the Liberty Way and their coach said this was our Super Bowl. I'm not the one saying the RMU loss was our worst ever, or that we're going to lose by 40 points. I'm just saying for far too long we've gone without a real opposing fanbase, and now that we have one it's exposing our unreasonable comments even more than usual.

Read and Acknowledged

So, you get on me for "bashing" our fans, and then you proceed to make fun of another (and I'm not talking about me, that's not offensive to me at all, it's actually kinda dumb if you meant it seriously, and sch14 beat you to it).

Good job. Way to stick to your guns, boss.

I'll see you at the 2011 National Title after-party, eh?

[jcmanson]

I think we've gone along for a long time with no one to check us. We've been able to say stupid things for years now because there's no opposing fans to say anything back. CCU had a couple and now that they're losing to Towson on a regular basis, they're gone. We can say whatever we want, from "LU would compete for a CAA title this year" to "This was our worst IAA loss" to "Let's play VT/Duke/UVA/etc... because we could beat them" and who knows what else, and there's no one to say "Uhhh, no, that's wrong." And any time an LU fan points out a fellow LU fan's stupid statement, they're a big bully who needs to be nice and let the fans be fans. Heaven forbid someone mention that Saint Rocco isn't coaching a good defense! That guy should be here forever, we'll be winning BCS games in no time if he stays!

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a ton of reasonable JMU fans out there. Ones that are used to big games, and can handle the emotions of this situation. Saying things like "LU will want this game much, much more than we will, so we'll need our guys to show up when it matters". No LU fans says anything remotely this reasonable, ever! We call games a "potential trap game" because we feel we're light years ahead of every team we play, and then we feel like we're the worst team in the nation (see the score prediction thread) when we lose.

And I'm not exempt from this, but I have been able to take a step back for a while and enjoy sports without the constant banter here, and now that I'm back I see some of the reasons I left. SJ summed it up well, we go from being a national title contender with Mike Brown as player of the universe, to a team that won't be within 30 of JMU. Did it really change that much this weekend?

I'm saying we need to chill out with opposing coaches and fans. We need to be reasonable. We're a top 25 team with some talent and a good coach. We can win any game on our schedule. That doesn't mean we're worldbeaters, and the loss to RMU doesn't mean we suck. But we're going into our biggest regular season game this season and we're all wound up about it, and making fools of ourselves.

Carry on however you want this week. I have a good feeling well be very competitive in this game, because we're going to want this game more than JMU for a myriad of reasons. We're the Giants, they're the Patriots. There's no reason anyone should expect us to win from an outsiders perspective, but there's every reason for our guys to go out with nothing to lose and do their best to win. And I think we can. Saturday will show if we make that a reality.

--

@Postie

In a non-Game Thread post since I've come back, show me an example of me going off the deep end?

I took time away because I couldn't handle all the emotional back and forth (from myself and everyone else). I'm back and I still see it, and wanted to point it out. I guess, like I said, that I'm just a big bully who should let everyone have their fun. But I am just as entitled to my opinion as Rooster and treyj and manson are to theirs, and my opinion is that a lot of absurd things have been said, and a lot of unreasonable criticism of other teams fans and coaches comments have been made.

I'm not the one pulling apart every JMU fan and getting my panties in a wad because they make fun of the Liberty Way and their coach said this was our Super Bowl. I'm not the one saying the RMU loss was our worst ever, or that we're going to lose by 40 points. I'm just saying for far too long we've gone without a real opposing fanbase, and now that we have one it's exposing our unreasonable comments even more than usual.

Read and Acknowledged

So, you get on me for "bashing" our fans, and then you proceed to make fun of another (and I'm not talking about me, that's not offensive to me at all, it's actually kinda dumb if you meant it seriously, and sch14 beat you to it).

Good job. Way to stick to your guns, boss.

I'll see you at the 2011 National Title after-party, eh?

me and Beej are tight though

I'll be at the party, not sure if you will though