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By PAmedic
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#31835
here's one for those of you who follow George Allen- BTW, I'm making NO judgement on the man- I know NOTHING about him.

(Its from the NY Times, so take that for what you will)


Senator Accused of Using Racially Charged Term
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: September 25, 2006
WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 — Two acquaintances of Senator George Allen of Virginia said today that he had used racially inflammatory language in the 1970’s and 1980’s, compounding allegations of racial insensitivity that have dogged his re-election campaign since he referred to a young Indian-American as “macaca” a few weeks ago. Mr. Allen said he had never used the language attributed to him by the acquaintances.

Christopher Taylor, an anthropology professor at Alabama University in Birmingham, Ala., said that in the early 1980’s he heard Mr. Allen use an inflammatory epithet for African Americans. Mr. Taylor, who is white and was then a graduate student at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, said the term came up in a conversation about the turtles in a pond near Mr. Allen’s property. According to Mr. Taylor, Mr. Allen said that “around here” only the African Americans — whom he referred to by the epithet — “eat ‘em.”

Separately, Dr. Ken Shelton, a former football teammate of Mr. Allen’s at the University of Virginia who is white, said that in college in the early 1970’s Mr. Allen had used the same term often. Dr. Shelton said Mr. Allen had told him that he moved to Virginia “because the blacks know their place.”

Dr. Shelton, a radiologist now living in North Carolina, said that on a hunting trip Mr. Allen had sought out the home of an African American and affixed the head of a dead deer to the mailbox. And Dr. Shelton said Mr. Allen had also called him “wizard” after Robert Shelton, who used the title “wizard” as a leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

“He wanted to know if I was related,” Dr. Shelton recalled in an interview. “I said, ‘No.’ ”

Dr. Shelton’s account was first reported Sunday night by the online news magazine Salon.

Mr. Allen, a Virginia Republican who has been considered a frontrunner for the party’s 2008 presidential nomination, vigorously denied Dr. Shelton’s allegations; Mr. Allen and his campaign did not immediately respond to questions about Mr. Taylor’s account.

In an interview with reporters and editors of The Associated Press before Mr. Taylor came forward, Mr. Allen called Dr. Shelton’s recollections “ludicrously false” and said he had never used such racist terms.

“The story and his comments and assertions in there are completely false,” Mr. Allen said, according to The A.P. “I don’t remember ever using that word and it is absolutely false that that was ever part of my vocabulary.”

Mr. Allen’s campaign distributed statements in his defense from three other former college football teammates and his former trainer. The three players said Mr. Allen never used racist slurs. And two players and the trainer said Dr. Shelton’s nickname “wizard” was inspired by his magician-like football skills.

“It appears to me that Kenny Shelton has some deep-rooted problems with his self-identity and a rather hyperactive imagination,” George Korte, a former teammate, said in his statement.

Until a few weeks ago, Mr. Allen was well ahead in his re-election campaign, in which he faces James Webb, an author and former secretary of the Navy during the Reagan administration who is running as a Democrat.

But insinuations about his racial sensitivity have hovered around his campaign since The New Republic reported in April that Mr. Allen had worn a Confederate flag pin in his high school yearbook picture. And two odd episodes in recent weeks have spurred new questions about his attitudes, slashed his lead in at least one poll and inspired more than a few jokes.

The first occurred when Mr. Allen referred to a young Democratic operative of Indian-American descent as “macaca” and welcomed him to America. Liberals called the term a racist slur derived from the name of a species of monkey. Mr. Allen apologized for any offense and said he had just made it up.

A few weeks later, Mr. Allen, who is Presbyterian, grew angry at a reporter’s question about whether his mother was Jewish. Mr. Allen said later that after receiving the question his mother had told him for the first time that her family was Jewish. And his subsequent statements about the revelation — attesting that he still ate ham sandwiches, for example — appeared stumbling or embarrassed, even to some sympathetic Republicans.

“His mishandling of a name-calling incident, and his ham-handed denial and subsequent revelation that his mother was raised Jewish, have almost eliminated him from the field of serious presidential candidates and even jeopardized his Senate seat,” Michael Continetti of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine wrote in its current cover article, “George Allen Monkeys Around.”

Mr. Taylor, the Alabama professor, said he was “kind of taken aback” by Mr. Allen’s language because it was their first meeting and Mr. Allen knew he was talking to a graduate student in anthropology. “Most of us are antiracist,” Mr. Taylor said.

Still, Mr. Taylor said, he did not give Mr. Allen “a moral lesson.” Mr. Taylor said he had come to pick up an Australian shepherd puppy and left with the dog.
By Libertine
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#31857
I'll say about George Allen now what I said about John Kerry in 2004. Nobody should be held responsible for something they may or may not have said 20 years ago, especially if it was something they may or may not have said in college. Doesn't change my vote in the slightest.
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By bigsmooth
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#31866
i am a republican and an allen supporter, but his history proves he has some work to do with racial sensitivity and is making me re-think my vote. he has not really addressed this stuff other than the usual denial, and has really made no effort to reach out to black voters in the commonwealth. indeed a person can change, and if he has, great. i do not expect any white person to understand, but those types of comments if indeed said are detrimental, and not good for a state that is becoming more progressive. will i still vote for him?? i don't know. i will certainly not vote for webb, but i have a lot of thinking to do.
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By TallyW
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#31875
This guy was Govenor of all of the people of Virginia... judge him by what he did then.

He has already served 6 years in the Senate... judge him by what he's done for minorities there as well.

I hate racism in any form but from the comments I've seen the Dems have had to create this issue from 20 plus years ago. Allen has worked with thousands of African Americans since then and apparently none of them are coming forward. The witnesses who say he said these remarks are being challenged by others who were with Allen at the same time. It's crazy to think that people are quickly accepting some people from two to three decades ago over anyone who has worked with him for the last 15 years or more.

Personally I honestly feel that Webb's comments about women are more insulting AND he has stated that while the tone was wrong his sentiments remain the same. Basically he's saying "I'm not taking it back... but maybe since I'm running for something now I would have toned it down had I known better." Allen is saying "I never did it, I don't hold those views, etc." To me there is a HUGE difference.

Not to mention Webb's running a misleading ad using Ronald Regan's endorsement when Webb himself was a Republican and held different views on issues. The worst part about that is that Regan's widow asked him not to use Ronald Regan in his ads and Webb still did so anyway. That to me is enough not to vote for the guy.
By thepostman
#31883
i am not a virginia resident so am not voting here, but this is politics...both sides find things from 20 plus years ago and re-hash it like it means anything today. Like the whole thing with Clinton and drugs back when he ran. I am so sick of the republicans and democrats fighting with eachother over every thing. There are some that try to find middle ground, but for the most part that attitude in all of politics is: A republican will shoot down an idea from the democratic side or a democrat will shoot down an idea from the republican side.....for no good reason except they are afraid if they admit the other party has a few good ideas that they will lose some seats in congres...such bull crap....I hate politics..I know what I believe and feel there is not enough and either of the major 2 parties that makes them sitck out....they are both over the top...I am proud to be an Independent...some people say Indepedent people are just afraid to stand up for what they believe in. I say Indepedent people just want this 2 party system to turn more into a system for the people.

That is my 2 cents, chances are it doesn't make sense since I was ranting, ha
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By PAmedic
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#31901
good thoughts there Postman- I'm registered GOP, but esp in local elections, vote my conscience.

Too ofen party ties screw things up.
By 4everfsu
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#31939
I dont put much faith in articles from NY Times or Washington Post,again liberal rags. Anyway I am registered independent and am conservative. I vote for the best person and most time it is a republician. I would vote for a democrat like Zel Miller from Ga if there was someone like him running for an office in my area or president. Funny how the leak came out in the NY time about USA not being more secure since we invaded Iraq and also now this article just six weeks before the election. Most newspaper are run by liberals so take it with a grain of salt
By thepostman
#31951
PAmedic wrote:good thoughts there Postman- I'm registered GOP, but esp in local elections, vote my conscience.

Too ofen party ties screw things up.
the thing is i think this is how most americans feel, both parties have lost touch with Americans, its kind of sad...of course there will be things us americans disagree on, but the leaders in both parties take it to the exteme...and anybody that tries to unite american just a little bit the party turns their back on them...much like the republicans do with John McCain in calling him a "renegade" which makes me laugh...I like John McCain, I am sure some people don't, but I think overall he would make a good president...

ok this was not meant for that...sorry
By SuperJon
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#31981
I don't have any stats to back this up, but I think if you looked at it there'd be a dramatic increase on people registering independent in my age group.
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By Sly Fox
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#31982
The problem with registering as an Indy is that you have no vote in primaries. But I agree that is where most folks fall these days.
By SuperJon
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#31984
People my age think both sides are a bunch of idiots and don't want to be linked to either one of them.
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By qkslvrsrfrboy
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#31987
yeah but also most people our age dont take the time to actually research things and find out what they personally believe instead they see hollywood as liberals, and that its trendy to be independent. not saying all, but the majority
By SuperJon
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#31989
It's trendy to be independent? That's completely wrong. It's "trendy" to bash the president (no matter what era) because anarchy is cool. Being an independent is by no means "trendy." That's just dumb.
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By qkslvrsrfrboy
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#31999
alright, granted its not trendy to be independent, but it is trendy to act like you know everything about politics because you think angolina jolie and brad pitt are a cute couple and therefore america isnt doing enough to help other countries
By thepostman
#32001
qkslvrsrfrboy wrote:alright, granted its not trendy to be independent, but it is trendy to act like you know everything about politics because you think angolina jolie and brad pitt are a cute couple and therefore america isnt doing enough to help other countries
wow, how did brad pitt and angelina jolie get brought into this?? way to let the media get to you buddy
By SuperJon
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#32002
The stereotype is that people our age think like that. However, that's nowhere near being right. The people our age that actually care no why they feel the way they do about the issues. Most people could care less what Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie think unless one of them has their shirt off.
By thepostman
#32003
i wouldn't go as far as most people our age knowing why they believe what they believe, because i haven't seen a ton of that...but as far as people our age caring what the celebs think...well most people couldn't care less
By SuperJon
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#32005
I think the ones that actually care about politics know why they feel the way they do. The ones that are just casually interested don't really know as much.
By thepostman
#32006
well yeah, that goes for anything, but overall people our age are clueless to why they are republicans or democrats....
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By qkslvrsrfrboy
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#32007
yeah, theres some thing on the internet that asks like 40 questions and places where u are on a like 6 diagrams as to like different things or whatever, but one is a diagram of different people with the same beliefs as far as like conservative or liberal mindsets and i landed in between Jerry, Osama bin Laden, the Pope, and Darth Vader haha
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By PAmedic
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#32033
qkslvr can you post a link to that, I'd like to see where I end up on THAT scale
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