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By LUconn
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ATrain wrote:Apparently when the topic of expansion is mentioned in the SEC among the coaches, the talk is of Texas and Virginia Tech:

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/vtfootball/wb/249964

This whole thing is making my head hurt. First its Nebraska and Missouri to the BigTen, now its just Nebraska to the BigTen and 5/6 of the Big 12 South (and Colorado-officially now) to the Pac 10, and now it may be A&M to the SEC and apparently no one has a handle on what the SEC really wants other than Texas for its market of TV viewers.

Well, as we saw a few years ago, VT and UVA are now joined at the hip for some reason. So IF it were possible, I actually think both of those schools would make a good addition to the SEC. VT fits in every way you can think of and UVA is obviously a great school in it's own right and has a lot of potential in its athletic program.
By 4everfsu
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Sly Fox wrote:
4everfsu wrote:I am sorry but I don't see what Memphis would bring to the Big 12 as far as football is concerned. Terrible stadium, not a big tv market.

If you want a big tv market then bring UCF into the conference.
There is a reason I listed Memphis last when I was throwing out 12 names. But it actually isn't as tiny as you might think in regard to market size. I just listed it because it fit nicely in a footprint ... something that UCF clearly does not. I feel bad for the Knights because if they were located just about anywhere other than Florida they would be a really attractive addition to a league. But their best hope is that the Big East survives in some form.

Some other options a newly reorganized Big XII might consider would be New Mexico, SMU or even UTSA. The latter is building a killer stadium and sits in a prime media market which would pair nicely with the other Texan members.

Sorry Memphis still has a crappy old stadium
By 4everfsu
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University of Miami athletic director Kirby Hocutt joined "The Jorge Sedano Show" on 790 The Ticket (WAXY) in Miami Friday morning to discuss conference expansion and a few other college football topics. I transcribed a few snippets of the interview for you (you're welcome), and Hocutt was quite candid in his responses to Sedano. The most important thing he said? Miami has no intention of leaving the ACC.

Asked if he would entertain an offer to join another conference

"No. No. The Atlantic Coast Conference is our home, Jorge, it makes all the sense in the world for us. We focus each and every day on hoisting that ACC championship and positioning us to compete for national championships. The ACC is our home and that's where we're going to be. We're excited about the future growth."

On the conference as a whole

"What we in the ACC are missing is that team, at the top, competing for the national championship. Once we in the ACC get that back, then you can look at the rest of the Top 25 and see that the other four or five teams there and say this is a very, very strong football conference. We just need the University of Miami to get back up there in BCS contention and trust me, we -- all of us -- but especially the 100 young men on our team and [coach] Randy Shannon are working hard on that every day."

On expansion

"All I would say is that -- in our commissioner, John Swofford, we have one of the most respected men in all of intercollegiate athletics and he definitely has his pulse on what's going on throughout the country. Of course we've discussed it -- we'd be remiss if we had not. We feel we have 12 great institutions associated with the Atlantic Coast Conference. We at the University of Miami strongly believe we're in the right home in the ACC. It fits our values and it's the right competitive conference for us. We'd be remiss if our head was in the sand and not having conversations and anticipating and talking about what options and where this all may lead us, but at this point in time, I don't think anybody truly knows what dominoes are going to continue to fall next."

On the idea of Miami and FSU in the SEC

"There are certain schools in the SEC that won't play us now, Jorge, so I don't know why they would be in a position to have to play us on a regular basis. They know the direction our program is on. We're going to return to that pinnacle of the intercollegiate athletic world. We're well on our way. I think the ACC provides a great platform for us."

Jorge followed up by chiding Hocutt about which schools in the SEC don't want to play Miami. Hocutt laughed.

"We may happen to be there playing them in baseball tonight," he said. "As for Florida football, we've expressed our desire. I think the Miami-Florida matchup in football is great. I had an opportunity my first year at Miami to go to Gainesville for a game and they're scheduled to come back here in 2013. We've expressed our interest to continue that series and rivalry, but unfortunately at this time, there's no interest on their end."
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By jcmanson
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LUconn wrote:Well, as we saw a few years ago, VT and UVA are now joined at the hip for some reason. So IF it were possible, I actually think both of those schools would make a good addition to the SEC. VT fits in every way you can think of and UVA is obviously a great school in it's own right and has a lot of potential in its athletic program.
Outside of the sports that matter (football and basketball) UVA's athletic program is one of the best in the country.
By LUconn
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does any conference "have" lacrosse? Even if one does, it's certainly not needed for a lacrosse program to thrive.
By LUconn
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4everfsu wrote:University of Miami athletic director Kirby Hocutt joined "The Jorge Sedano Show" on 790 The Ticket (WAXY) in Miami Friday morning to discuss conference expansion and a few other college football topics. I transcribed a few snippets of the interview for you (you're welcome), and Hocutt was quite candid in his responses to Sedano. The most important thing he said? Miami has no intention of leaving the ACC.

Asked if he would entertain an offer to join another conference

"No. No. The Atlantic Coast Conference is our home, Jorge, it makes all the sense in the world for us. We focus each and every day on hoisting that ACC championship and positioning us to compete for national championships. The ACC is our home and that's where we're going to be. We're excited about the future growth."

On the conference as a whole

"What we in the ACC are missing is that team, at the top, competing for the national championship. Once we in the ACC get that back, then you can look at the rest of the Top 25 and see that the other four or five teams there and say this is a very, very strong football conference. We just need the University of Miami to get back up there in BCS contention and trust me, we -- all of us -- but especially the 100 young men on our team and [coach] Randy Shannon are working hard on that every day."

On expansion

"All I would say is that -- in our commissioner, John Swofford, we have one of the most respected men in all of intercollegiate athletics and he definitely has his pulse on what's going on throughout the country. Of course we've discussed it -- we'd be remiss if we had not. We feel we have 12 great institutions associated with the Atlantic Coast Conference. We at the University of Miami strongly believe we're in the right home in the ACC. It fits our values and it's the right competitive conference for us. We'd be remiss if our head was in the sand and not having conversations and anticipating and talking about what options and where this all may lead us, but at this point in time, I don't think anybody truly knows what dominoes are going to continue to fall next."

On the idea of Miami and FSU in the SEC

"There are certain schools in the SEC that won't play us now, Jorge, so I don't know why they would be in a position to have to play us on a regular basis. They know the direction our program is on. We're going to return to that pinnacle of the intercollegiate athletic world. We're well on our way. I think the ACC provides a great platform for us."

Jorge followed up by chiding Hocutt about which schools in the SEC don't want to play Miami. Hocutt laughed.

"We may happen to be there playing them in baseball tonight," he said. "As for Florida football, we've expressed our desire. I think the Miami-Florida matchup in football is great. I had an opportunity my first year at Miami to go to Gainesville for a game and they're scheduled to come back here in 2013. We've expressed our interest to continue that series and rivalry, but unfortunately at this time, there's no interest on their end."
To bad ADs have nothing to do with any of this. Especially at the U. If you recall Donna Shalalalala was calling the shots and really got the jump to the ACC going.
By LUconn
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seems to me as though MWC is close to a BCS bid if they don't already have one with this move. So there's a new power conference? I think it'll take a while for that perception to take hold.
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By jcmanson
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LUconn wrote:seems to me as though MWC is close to a BCS bid if they don't already have one with this move. So there's a new power conference? I think it'll take a while for that perception to take hold.
They're already better than the Big East.
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By flamesbball84
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LUconn wrote:does any conference "have" lacrosse? Even if one does, it's certainly not needed for a lacrosse program to thrive.
ACC, America East, Big East, Colonial, Ivy, Metro Atlantic, and the Patriot. The only non-"traditional" conference is the ECAC, and the ECAC is just a collection of other D1s that aren't in a "traditional" conference that sponsors lacrosse. D1 lacrosse is still almost entirely limited to the upper mid to upper atlantic and the midwest, there are a few exceptions like Jacksonville, Presbyterian, Denver, and Bellarmine, but it hasn't spread out nearly as well as it has at the D3 level.
BuryYourDuke wrote:UVA's olympic programs would take a severe dip if they moved to the SEC. They don't even have lacrosse, of which UVA takes pretty seriously. I can't see that happening, they are the prototypical ACC school. VT would be a great SEC fit though.
Not a chance in Hades UVa would go to the SEC for that very reason. Only other conference big enough for them that might would fit would be the Big East since the Big East has the wide variety of sports sponsorship.
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By SumItUp
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I do not think the BCS is obligated to add any conferences. Look at the BCS board. What is their motivation? It was never setup to give everyone an opportunity to share in the profits.
By SuperJon
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Wow. That's not something you expect to hear from an AD. It's nice to hear someone who has been there and understands what's going on weigh in.
By ALUmnus
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jcmanson wrote:
LUconn wrote:seems to me as though MWC is close to a BCS bid if they don't already have one with this move. So there's a new power conference? I think it'll take a while for that perception to take hold.
They're already better than the Big East.
Again with this sillyness. Look at the two conferences top to bottom. Different programs are up and down any given year (like with most conferences), but to say the MWC is better is just dumb.
By ATrain
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What I don't get is if ECU has been angling for the Big East for quite sometime, why is the AD making comments? You would think the Big East brass wouldn't be too happy about that.
By ALUmnus
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BuryYourDuke wrote:If by "dumb", you mean "right", then I agree.
That was quite clever. But also dumb. And by "dumb" I mean "dumb". Saying things like that is just letting your hatred for a conference like the Big East bring you into the realm of the irrational.

The only two schools in the BE that finished below 8-5 were Syracuse and Louisville, and while both are down (Syracuse taking much longer than expected to recover), both are very good football programs. That can't be said for the bottom 5 of the MWC. Those bottom 5 are aweful, with Wyoming amazingly having a winning record last year (a whopping 7-6 including the bowl win). The tops of each league is a wash, look at the middle/bottom. It's not even close.
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By Sly Fox
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The only difference between the Bottom 5 of the MWC and the Big East is that the former plays the Big Boys for paydays in non-conference while the Big East schedules the MAC & FCS schools. Speaking of Wyoming, they are seriously considering stepping down to FCS due to financial issues.

This past year the Mountain West was a better league than the Big East. When you spend time arguing that your cellar dwellers are better than somebody else's cellar dwellers you lose points quickly.

I guess the MWC decided they wanted to go ahead and snag Boise State before the Big XII had a chance to get in the picture. I still believe a reconfigured Big XII will remain a player after this first wave of movement. Obviously they will no longer have the clout they had last week ever again.
By ALUmnus
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I specifically said that the top teams in each conference were a wash (3 ranked teams and 1 BCS bowl each), and the Big East had more quality teams than the MWC, despite being a smaller conference. To look at the overall quality of a conference, you have to look beyond the top. Jumping on the hype of one or two teams from a mid-major conference isn't all that wise. If you want to look at history, the Big East is better. If you want to look at last year, the Big East was better. Aside from 4 teams, the MWC was terrible last year, and even worse the years before that. Last year was probably their best year ever. And that is what you call better than the Big East? You're kidding yourself. The Big East had a down year in 09 and still sent six teams to bowls with records of 8-5 or better. And in my opinion their two worst teams from last year will regain form soon. I don't think that can be said for MWC's bottom five. That said, of course other schools will fall (likely USF and Cincy), but I still don't see how anyone can evenly compare these two conferences.
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By BJWilliams
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This is sounding like a "my dad is better than your dad" sort of discussion when both dads lost their jobs when you talk about whether the Big East or the Mountain West is better
By ATrain
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More bad analysis from ALUmnus...some people just have the Big East brand of rose-colored glasses.

ANYWAY, back on topic, how is the AD of ECU positioning himself by making comments on the Big East when he knows the Big East isn't going to like him talking?
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