[4everfsu]

UNCA 2 of 26 from the field

[Sly Fox]

Which UT?

[4everfsu]

Tennessee

[Cider Jim]

There is only ONE UT, and it's in Knoxville.

That other little school with the long-horned cows and the LBJ limo is called UT-Austin.

[Sly Fox]

Come on, CJ. You should no better than that. One is the largest university in America that needs just two words for its slogan to explain its greatness, "We're Texas".

As for UNCA, somehow I don't think Kingaling42 is taking this well. But at least misery loves company so he's welcome here tonight.

[dompennix]

I think a high school team could do better. We had a really bad game but only 14 points in a half?

[JMUDukes]

and I thought Liberty played bad. This is recordbreaking.

[Cider Jim]

Just kidding around, Sly. I'm sure it's a fine school, if you are forced to be educated on the other side of the mighty Mississippi.

[kingaling42]

Come on, CJ. You should no better than that. One is the largest university in America that needs just two words for its slogan to explain its greatness, "We're Texas".

As for UNCA, somehow I don't think Kingaling42 is taking this well. But at least misery loves company so he's welcome here tonight.

At this point- I'm laughing actually.. I think that at 34 y/o, I could pick up 4 of my former teammates in their current shape/conditionin and played a better game.. we wouldn't play better D at this point in our lives, but I know we would have scored more points!

I don't like that we're getting smashed, raped, and pillaged.. but what I really am embarrassed about is that our team quit a long time ago.. I would've cleared the bench to wake up some of the guys who are resting on pre-season picks to suffice for hard work and the effort former players like myself expect from the Bulldogs.. JP, Sean SMith, Dickey, John Williams are not performing at even a mediocre level right now.. Appreciate the welcome here this evening- "One game does not a season make" is todays message.. thanks for tuning in!!

[rueful]

Come on, CJ. You should no better than that. One is the largest university in America that needs just two words for its slogan to explain its greatness, "We're Texas".

As for UNCA, somehow I don't think Kingaling42 is taking this well. But at least misery loves company so he's welcome here tonight.

cant believe cider jim over looked that one?

[4everfsu]

Final score U of Tennessee(for Sly) 124 UNCA 49

[Cider Jim]

Come on, CJ. You should no better than that. One is the largest university in America that needs just two words for its slogan to explain its greatness, "We're Texas".

As for UNCA, somehow I don't think Kingaling42 is taking this well. But at least misery loves company so he's welcome here tonight.

cant believe cider jim over looked that one?

I saw it the first time, but I'm trying to take it easy on Sly. The old guy has a lot on his mind right now.

[JK37]

Report from game: This was the ultimate "Just Get Paid" job by Biedenbach and UNCA. The team pulled up barely 15 minutes before they had to be on the court for warm-ups - just enough time to change and get out there. (By contrast, Clemson was on the Vines Center floor at 8:00am yesterday.) Biedenbach stood up from his seat less than 5 times the entire first half!

I feel what the UNCA fan said about the players quitting, and he himself asked why not clear the bench to rattle few chains? Here's why: the coaching staff seemed to have quit, too! If I were a Big South coach, I'd be very disappinted in this representation of the conference.

LU getting beat badly on national TV by a top 25 team, but in front of 8,000+ showed the country there's a little life in the Big South. UNCA quitting out there made an easy joke/target for ESPN and others.

I repeat, this was the ultimate "Just Get Paid" job by Biedenbach.

[kingaling42]

Report from game: This was the ultimate "Just Get Paid" job by Biedenbach and UNCA. The team pulled up barely 15 minutes before they had to be on the court for warm-ups - just enough time to change and get out there. (By contrast, Clemson was on the Vines Center floor at 8:00am yesterday.) Biedenbach stood up from his seat less than 5 times the entire first half!

JK37- You do realize that there is a multi-million dollar rock slide on Interstate 40 just west of Asheville. It's been declared a federal emergency and did in fact play a huge part in our ability to travel as we normally would from Asheville to Knoxville (typically a 2 hour trip)- the guys also had to change their pre-game plans from eating in Johnson City at a restaraunt to grabbing quicker food in route due to increased traffic and accident delays on the I-26/I-81 detour, the only other reasonable travel route from here to there..

If you're going to report- please get all of the facts prior to bashing the coaches for this performance- lots of things went wrong yesterday, I do question why we're not making substitutions to get folks motivated even in a blow out game because of the message the rest of team may get from that. But I don't disagree that our starters should have played later in this game to regain confidence and move on... All teams play guarantee games, we lost to UT by 18 last year and played a really good and sound game.. last night it's hard to balme the coaches for all of the 29 TOs- it's hard for the coaches to shoot the ball and make shots from the bench, so at some point it's up to the players to play mentally tougher through adversity (they tucked tail quite frankly and we laid an egg last night)..

Our biggest problem is UNCA has no floor leader right now- LU struggled with that last year early before Sanders stepped up.. Sean Smith & John Williams don't have the personalities to be vocal leaders and JP Primm seems to be more focused on scoring than running this team right now.. 2 games in isn't quite the coaches fault yet- especially for the most tenured coach in the Big South.. Poor performance absolutely - players and coaches alike, but not quite the gold digging scenario you portray..

In 1996-97 we got beat by Kansas 105-73 and by Kentucky 105-51 (& beat South Carolina who won the SEC that year)…We also won the Big South Regular Season Championship that year.. Again, let’s measure this team by their response to adversity not just one really bad game..

[uncafan]

King is correct here...JK37 before you make blanket statements check your facts.

I don't know who was a worse representative for the Big South Liberty getting smoked at home, or Asheville allowing Tenn. to break every offensive record they have.

Trust me, we are all ripping the performance in our forum, and realizing that players quit... And its inexcusable. And certainly our coaches shoulder some blame. But the coaches did not quit, not one of those guys has 'quit' in their character -- and it certainly wasn't their fault that the circumstances (rock slide, weather etc.) lead to the team reportedly arriving at the arena 15-20 minutes before game time. No excuses, but that's a tough situation to be in...

[belcherboy]

I don't know who was a worse representative for the Big South Liberty getting smoked at home, or Asheville allowing Tenn. to break every offensive record they have.

I'm going to go with Asheville vs. Tennessee as the most embarrassing blowout in the past 20 years of Big South basketball. I really can't think of a worse game I have seen in my lifetime in all NCAA division I basketball. 66-14 at halftime. Tennessee is good no doubt, but I think there are many teams better than them in the country. Maybe they will prove to be better than 10th ranked, but a Big South team still lost by 75 points?!?!? Tennessee was up by nearly 70 points with 12 minutes left in the game, and most certainly could have beat them by the century mark IMO if they had really wanted to.

There is no way I would want to trade spots with UNCA right now if I were Liberty. Liberty played bad, but not in the same category as Asheville. Just my two cents, I have NOTHING against UNCA.

[UNCA Alum]

I think that rock slide cost us at least 52, if not 53 points in this game.

Seriously though we've known about the rock slide for the past two weeks. It's not like it just happened yesterday. We should have planned ahead in advance for any potential traffic problems. Coach B always cuts it close though. We barely showed up on time for a couple games when I was there and that was without traffic concerns. Much better to get there early as opposed to potentially being late. I have no idea why he continues to do that. Maybe this will be a wake-up call that actually works. Obviously it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but you can't expect guys to sit down on a bus for four hours and then be ready to play in fifteen minutes. That is the fault of our coaches. Not the stupid mountain.

I agree that our loss was much worse than yours. It was embarrassing at every level. And I'm sorry that we represented the conference in such a manner. Just absolutely disgusting. However, we are still going to root for UNCA and hope that this thing turns around. Nowhere to go but up!

[kingaling42]

I think a high school team could do better. We had a really bad game but only 14 points in a half?

Dom- so.. about those 14 points in a half.. Now LU isn't going to lose by 75 points, nor are they quiting, 2 very distinct differences.. but you were saying?

Belcher- worst blow out ever was 117 points, Long Island University (179) vs. Medgar Evers (62), Nov. 26, 1997.

[JK37]

I think that rock slide cost us at least 52, if not 53 points in this game.

Seriously though we've known about the rock slide for the past two weeks. It's not like it just happened yesterday. We should have planned ahead in advance for any potential traffic problems. Coach B always cuts it close though. We barely showed up on time for a couple games when I was there and that was without traffic concerns. Much better to get there early as opposed to potentially being late. I have no idea why he continues to do that. Maybe this will be a wake-up call that actually works. Obviously it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but you can't expect guys to sit down on a bus for four hours and then be ready to play in fifteen minutes. That is the fault of our coaches. Not the stupid mountain.

I agree that our loss was much worse than yours. It was embarrassing at every level. And I'm sorry that we represented the conference in such a manner. Just absolutely disgusting. However, we are still going to root for UNCA and hope that this thing turns around. Nowhere to go but up!

I refused to post until someone else said it: the rock slide excuse is ridiculous - kingaling...wow. 2+ weeks notice. If you want to blame it, fine - but everyone is laughing at you, and justifiably so. I would"ve waited for anyone to show the fallacy of your argument, but to see one of your own break it down because he/she possesses the objective mindset required for rational and logical thought - my, my that is telling.

At least when LU lost to clemson so badly on national TV, there existed a definitive and tangible benefit: atmospheric exposure to the tune of 8,000+!

UNCA had a tangible benefit, too: the guarantee! And it appeared from my vantage point to be the only reason Coach B was there. Based on his actions, actual coaching wasn't a consideration.

[uncafan]

I think that rock slide cost us at least 52, if not 53 points in this game.

Seriously though we've known about the rock slide for the past two weeks. It's not like it just happened yesterday. We should have planned ahead in advance for any potential traffic problems. Coach B always cuts it close though. We barely showed up on time for a couple games when I was there and that was without traffic concerns. Much better to get there early as opposed to potentially being late. I have no idea why he continues to do that. Maybe this will be a wake-up call that actually works. Obviously it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but you can't expect guys to sit down on a bus for four hours and then be ready to play in fifteen minutes. That is the fault of our coaches. Not the stupid mountain.

I agree that our loss was much worse than yours. It was embarrassing at every level. And I'm sorry that we represented the conference in such a manner. Just absolutely disgusting. However, we are still going to root for UNCA and hope that this thing turns around. Nowhere to go but up!

I refused to post until someone else said it: the rock slide excuse is ridiculous - kingaling...wow. 2+ weeks notice. If you want to blame it, fine - but everyone is laughing at you, and justifiably so. I would"ve waited for anyone to show the fallacy of your argument, but to see one of your own break it down because he/she possesses the objective mindset required for rational and logical thought - my, my that is telling.

At least when LU lost to clemson so badly on national TV, there existed a definitive and tangible benefit: atmospheric exposure to the tune of 8,000+!

UNCA had a tangible benefit, too: the guarantee! And it appeared from my vantage point to be the only reason Coach B was there. Based on his actions, actual coaching wasn't a consideration.

speaking of scoring 14 in a half -- nice to see the flames are capable of it too

The rock slide was the beginning of the problems but wasn't the only one, weather played a factor too....Do you really think they *planned* on getting to the Arena 20-30 minutes before gametime? If so why did they have to skip their planned team meal on the way because they were soo late (apparently fast food instead)? Again its not an excuse for the terrible play -- however, to argue the coaching staff somehow didn't care? That's ignorant. Coach B has more basketball pedigree than the rest of the coaches in the conference combined -- and while I haven't talked to him lately I'm sure he was beyond embarrassed...especially since Bruce is someone he knows pretty well. People like that don't phone in games -- they don't disrespect the game in that way. I'm sure he was livid and maybe at a certain point he left guys in to embarrass themselves, but that reflects on him as well and he is 100% aware of that. Its not like he was up in a coaches box in football -- he was standing on the sidelines for every minute of it.

It was the perfect storm in terms of travel plans and everything else, and then the guys showed up and quit half way through. Does Eddie deserve some blame for that performance? Sure, but to say he didn't care or he somehow was just showing up for the paycheck is stupid. UNCA actually got a BIGGER paycheck from the UNC Charlotte game last week, than for this game...yet they showed up to play there.

And there's no big paycheck tomorrow against Campbell but I wouldn't be surprised if they are embarrassed again

[kingaling42]

JK37- where did I blame the game or the results on the rockslide?? Check out our board if you think anyone is blaming the loss on the travel- I only addressed it because of your inaccurate statements regarding the coaching attitude as if you would really be in a positon to know how our coaches think or their work ethic or integrity..

I've stated that there are NO EXCUSES for the performance- our players quit- but for you to act like we planned to get there 15 minutes all cavalier and casual for the game isn't accurate in the slightest.. if that was really your argument look in the LU mirror and apply your message to your own team- LU didn't travel either game with Clemson or ODU and thus by your logic, they mailed it in as well for the revenue.. so what's the Flames excuses?

For UNCA our players gave up, that is a reflection on the coaches.. but the travel- that stuff happens- teams especially more north that you & us get snowed in, can't travel (drive or fly)- the games get rescheduled due to flights sometimes.. travel problems happen unfortunately, but it wasn't planned that way because I know first hand what the travel arrangements were- do you? No you heard a report about the arrival and spouted off as if you were some UNCA expert... How many teams when they run into 3 different accidents can plan for that? I'll wait...

[JK37]

King - I can understand why you would, but be careful when assuming who MY team is .. I'm much more objective in this than you know.

As for planning, the rockslide occurred 2 weeks prior. Not much planning was done, and my opinion is that the outcome was conceded prior to tip-off, or very soon thereafter - by both entities on the UNCA bench.

And because I firmly believe that one is only entitled to an opinion if they can defend it, I tell you that I draw these conclusions based upon observation and live, on-the-floor feedback.

[kingaling42]

Valid.. My issue is the belief that the coaches didn't care- nothing could be further from the truth..

As for the rest, agree to disagree!