[SamFan]

it stayed positive for about an hour

I come home from a night on the town and find people railing on me and I respond, guess that makes me Dr. Negativity... if you wanted things to be positive then why did you lob the attack in the first place?

I was a little upset... other people forget to log on and they get "Oh so-in-so, I guess you forgot to log on" I forget, and I get dog piled. FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE COACH DUNTON FORGOT TO SIGN IN! No one attacked him... and you shouldn't have btw... some people are way too pretentious about the registration side of this thing.

The problem is you don't know when you've been logged off. So you type in a post and it comes up as guest. Some sites require you to either log in or type a guest name. So that way… if you type in a post and haven't signed in (or have been logged off) then you know... a warning pops up and doesn't let you post.

Now how can I make it up to you HOLDMYFINGER? Maybe this will help...

[RedDog]

Now you know how it feels to be labeled as Negative or a know it all ...

[back to basketball]

............Now back to our regularly scheduled basketball discussion......................

Theres an Idea

[SamFan]

it stayed positive for about an hour

you've forgotten to sign in about 3-4 times now, and each time it happens to be when your the most opinionated

............Now back to our regularly scheduled basketball discussion......................

I'm going to look back and double-check... but I don't think I have forgotten to log in other than this time, and if I did it certainly wasn't intentional... so I'm not sure what you are talking about. What is the difference anyway? As for my comment, here it is again, tell me what is so bad about this and what is such a huge difference in being logged in or not in the first place? (as far as what the post below means.)

"I understand that we try to avoid anything controversial like the plague... but the new "edited" title of this thread is lame and doesn't really describe the contents. We need to toughen up a bit... yea, there shouldn’t be a calling for Randy's job, but if someone asks a legit question, and a war breaks out... that's what message boards are all about. I think changing the name was unnecessary. Whether we like it or not this is a VERY popular topic and now people are going to be confused."

Not exactly smut filled and derogatory.

[SamFan]

Now you know how it feels to be labeled as Negative or a know it all ...

Yea... I know what you mean... I take back everything I said on the baseball thread

[Sly Fox]

All right, guys. Let's let this die now that we have some closure. As far as the logging out thing is concerned its just something you have to watch. Whenever you are posting from a public computer just look up below the fire on the top right and make sure you see your name next to 'Log out'. If it says 'Log in' then it will register you as a guest. If you do accidentally post as a guest, hit me or one of the listed moderators for that forum and they can edit your post to identify you.

As for the hypersensitivity of some of us on the board about registering, it goes back to The Firehouse. We had a time period where we were having unregistered guests coming onto the site and stirring up all kinds of trouble. We nearly had to limit posting to registered members only. I really don't want to have to go down that road on this site. I like inviting newbies to check our place out and see if they feel comfortable. Of course by registering it signals to the rest of us on here that you are respecting the community and you are willing to join our ranks (even if you don't agree with the popular frame of thought). We have registered posters from several other schools on here already. And I have a feeling when we face some of them in hoops and football in the coming months we will once again have plenty of visitors from other schools register on the site.

I hope that clears up some of the misunderstanding that has led to much of the turmoil in this thread. I think Coach D's post answered many of the questions being asked. Hopefully we turn things around on the court and we'll all look back on this thread and a have a good laugh.

[TallyW]

Sly... be careful or the next thread might be asking if your job with FlameFans.com is in jeopardy

[Hold My Own]

That's pretty funny

How good does a strong showing tomorrow sound???

[LU Staffer]

Had to comment on the most recent Coach Dunton post: Having worked here @ LU for many years and knowing the polical climate on campus I was amused with the suggestion that J Meyer had problems with the administration. Would that have been Chuch Burch, Pierre Guillermin, or Jerry Falwell? The "problems" Jeff had with the administration was one of his assistant coaches was relentless in his pursuit of being the head coach @ LU. His "problems" were a biproduct of comments made that "if I were the head coach we would be a Top 50 program".."if I were the head coach we would have discipline in this program".. "if i were the head coach we would sign blue chiipers"-and yes FLAMESHAW the Terry Falwell/Randy Dunton connection was right on target. Jeff's problem was not with the administration rather in the words of Coach Sam R. "Jeff's problem was that he had a Gator in the swamp and the Gator got him before him could drain the swamp".
Furthermore, The real problem here is that we are 1-7 in this very, very low D1 conference. This is year four of a five year "we will be a Top 50 program" statement made by coach dunton. The problem is we were not developing our players in the off season ( little or no skill workouts last April) and we hyped the replacement of Dees and our recruitng class (once again). The problem is we have a low commitment to team defense and a a poorly organized offensive attack. The problem is we have 1 D1 win. That is an absolute JOKE!!!!

[Coach Dunton]

LU Staffer-Once again the public shaping of your political posturing is like looking into a polluted pond. One can choose different angles. Terry Falwell has been a lifelong die hard supporter of LIberty Athletics not the chairman of the national political action committee. I could attribrute positive statements to Coach Sam as well. In every life situation
the opportunity to sit down with the parties in conflict and authority to resolve issues
exist. If a person in any capacity has the administrative support and has a situation requiring confrontation then why is that not the path chosen. Your accusation on our offensive and defensive concepts without understanding the issues of experience/personel postioning is out of bounds. Our players are improving and their
spirits remain very good. The infastructure of the program continues to grow. We will
continue to evaluate the needs of point guard and post play as we head to the spring.
Our performance is open for criticism. It is not acceptable to competitively
be in such a position. So now that we are here either support the direction to compete against the adversity or use it as political fodder to advance some past unresolved conflict. This staff and team is excited about the future and come watch practice, spring workouts, academic mentoring or go to lunch with the staff. You'll be encouraged by what you touch and feel not just reading post from the faternity of the frustrated.
Last Sunday we attended the Pleasantview Baptist Church just north of Myrtle
Beach. Evan and I was able to share and David Benoit preached. The Holy Spirit moved
in a big way. Over half the Church responded to the invitation. The ladies of the Church
then fed our guys a very special low country feast. It was an impacting day and the guys
representation gain many new fans of Liberty University. I appreciate greatly the support
you guys demonstrate and pray that one day unity will be achieved for the cause.

[coachdunton]

I thought I was logged in-rd

[Rocketfan]

Honestly i wonder how someone like that can call himself a man, but not have the guts to have a simple conversation with Coach D. It amazes me how coach wants to keep every aspect of the program open and is willing to do anything to acheive unity. What is a absolute joke is an LU Staffer who hides behind this board, and its a joke he is actually employed by Liberty in the first place. I am embarrased as a fan and as an alum that we currently pay individuals who apparently think they know more than Coach D, but yet haven't attended a practice to see what goes on. I personally have seen many a practice, and know how dedicated Coach is to organization on both sides of the ball. It never ceases to amaze me how little class some individuals have. I mean this guy is up at 5:47 am to post on this board, if only he could show some commitment to the program with that time who knows.

[LUconn]

Actually, I don't think works for LU as he didn't post that from VA. Maybe he used to work for LU.

[Chris Lang]

Folks, be careful. That's all I have to say. There's a reason why we don't print rumors and unsubstantiated facts in the newspaper. You're playing with people's lives here. These men have families and deserve at least not to have to answer to rumors posted by guests. Some of the insight is very interesting but it's potentially damaging. One rule I've always kept on message boards: Never post anything disparaging that you wouldn't say to that person's face.

[jcmanson]

I just wanted to say that (as mentioned above) any coach that can stand up to people calling for his job, while his team only has one D1 win, is a man of integrity. This is someone whom I would want to lead my team. Alot can be said about who did this or who did that, but unless we were apart of the decision making we have no right to say one person did or didn't do something. Anyways, I think we all need to focus on the rest of the season as the guys get ready to try to make a run in the Conference Tourny. Go Flames! Good luck tonight as I will be there in full support!

[Hold My Own]

You know...LU Staffer, Guest ______, All guests for that matter...you all need to grow up, that's all there is to it...if you are not man enough to take your griefs to him directly then dont get on here and do it like a little girl...I'm waiting until one of you actual has the guts to do it...THEN and ONLY then is it acceptable to come back on here and continue to bash him...if you met with him, didnt agree with his answers then that's OK...but this whole gossiping and giggling like school girls has got to go

Didnt the Bible have something about this?? When you have a problem how to handle it?? I dunno maybe I need to take Towns' class again

PS...LU Staffer if your still employed by LU be very careful with that type attitude b/c your true colors WILL show, and all it takes is once...get on board with ALL liberty programs or get out, or be asked to get out

[A.G.]

What happened 6-7-8 years ago is pretty much irrelevant in this conversation. Coach, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, here. Most of us have your back.

[Sly Fox]

For the record, I can confirm that LU Staffer posted from an ISP that is not available in Virginia. Since he/she prefers to take unsubstantiated allegations under the auspices of being a current LU Staff member I felt compelled to share that detail.

Personally I feel Coach Dunton has more than answered the questions and shouldn't feel at all compelled to respond to somebody who hides behind a keyboard. Its time to focus on tonight's game.

[thesportscritic]

I hope we win. But I will be enjoying another game out of town tonight.

[grm]

Matthew 18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

If RD somehow had pushed Jeff out the door and gained his job, then, no doubt, Jeff's friends and supporters would be difficult to reconcile with (Proverbs 18:19) "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." The facts however, are that RD did a great job (possibly fantastic) as an interim, and then was pushed out himself.
He, in fact, was in the same position as Jeff Meyer was. (I don' t remember whether RD had the possibility of remaining on staff in any other position at LU.) So he and his family sold their house and left Lynchburg, and went about the business of coaching basketball in other places. I, for one among many, always felt and advised that the place for Coach Dunton was LU. I felt that it was the greatest place to take his coaching abilities and Christian convictions, and work with young men in all areas of their lives, and use his considerable communicative skills to mobilize the community behind LU. I still feel that way. Randy and his family
have not fostered bitterness over the years, and he certainly could NOT have orchestrated his own "re-hirement." That had to come from other sources. Face it, if LU had wanted to re-hire Jeff Myers, they well could have done just that. Jeff & RD were both out, and one got hired to return. Both of their histories were well known at Liberty. No smoke or mirrors - just a decision to bring back RD. Now he has the job, and must prove on a season-to-season basis that he is the man to lead the highest profile Christian basketball team in the world. If he fails, he too will be out the door.

I would say that it is time for responsible people to leave the "Jeff Myer Thing" alone, as least as far as supporting the program goes. Anyone can dislike/hate RD as intensely and for as long as they want - this is America; but they should at least look at the situation and acknowledge that at this point, Jeff Meyers is in no way, any part of the equation.

God bless & go LU

[Hold My Own]

The problem with this board is I know for a fact there are members and guest on here with a hidden agenda or grudge, being former coach's, staff and players that didnt leave LU on the best of terms (99% Guests, hence the reason for not registering)

We'll just leave it at that and let this one die

[flameshaw]

This will be my last post on this thread. I would first like to say that I have no hidden agenda, family member, etc associated with Coach Dunton, Meyers or Hankinson. I fully supported the dismissal of Coach Meyers because it was apparent that the program had become stagnant under his watch. I was also for the dismissal of Mel for obvious reasons.

Today Coach Dunton is our coach. Nothing I can do, can or will change that. I do believe that one can support the atheletic department and teams without agreeing with the results or direction of a perticular individual or team. I think it is one thing to criticize a situation and yet do nothing to make it better. I have been a member of the LU family for over 30 years and give sacrificially to the sports programs and to the Flames Club every year. I attend many games, practices, camps, etc. That being said, it does not give one an unlimited license be critical. I have posted some things here which are controversial and in hindsight I regret doing so.

Bottom line, this is a he said/ he said thing and no one here is going to have their mind changed by the other side, all of us think our point of view is the correct one. The pro Dunton group has been just as strong in their defense of the coach as the anti-Dunton group has been in their criticism.

Ultimately Coach Dunton will be judged on the long term results of the program. Until then, I will continue to support the team while keeping my negativity more private. I would like to say that the disagreements here are very mild compared to other sports forums and we must as a group be careful not to squelch opinions that don't agree with our own. While there is not hard evidence of this being done overtly, it is certainly just under the surface. I do agree with another poster that there does seem to be a double standard when comparing the threads questioning Karchers situation with this one. In reality they are very much the same.

All that being said, I can honestly say, I love LU, JF and want nothing but the best for the University and it's sports programs. If that means that if the best thing for the school is to have a coach or program or course of study which with I disagree, so be it. No one hopes I am wrong about the MBB team more than I. Again, I apologize for being an ongoing part of this controversial subject.

[Sly Fox]

flameshaw - You know I have expressed how much I appreciate having you on this board. And I especially commend you on being honest on your regrets. I have trouble doing the same most of the time.

As for the double standard on Karcher, that is a fair argument. But this is a different board and we have some different standards here I would like to adhere to as opposed to the old board. I have not censored anyone in this thread despite strong temptation when things began to become personal. I feel both sides had a thorough opportunity to present their cases. and we'll let the court of public opinion decide the outcome.

Clearly there remains a passionate following for the school and program that could incite such a discussion. Very few mid-major schools could say that.

I agree the time has come for us to move on. And divergent viewpoints will always be welcome here as long as they remain in the guidelines of the site.

[Hold My Own]

This will be my last post on this thread. I would first like to say that I have no hidden agenda, family member, etc associated with Coach Dunton, Meyers or Hankinson. I fully supported the dismissal of Coach Meyers because it was apparent that the program had become stagnant under his watch. I was also for the dismissal of Mel for obvious reasons.

Today Coach Dunton is our coach. Nothing I can do, can or will change that. I do believe that one can support the atheletic department and teams without agreeing with the results or direction of a perticular individual or team. I think it is one thing to criticize a situation and yet do nothing to make it better. I have been a member of the LU family for over 30 years and give sacrificially to the sports programs and to the Flames Club every year. I attend many games, practices, camps, etc. That being said, it does not give one an unlimited license be critical. I have posted some things here which are controversial and in hindsight I regret doing so.

Bottom line, this is a he said/ he said thing and no one here is going to have their mind changed by the other side, all of us think our point of view is the correct one. The pro Dunton group has been just as strong in their defense of the coach as the anti-Dunton group has been in their criticism.

Ultimately Coach Dunton will be judged on the long term results of the program. Until then, I will continue to support the team while keeping my negativity more private. I would like to say that the disagreements here are very mild compared to other sports forums and we must as a group be careful not to squelch opinions that don't agree with our own. While there is not hard evidence of this being done overtly, it is certainly just under the surface. I do agree with another poster that there does seem to be a double standard when comparing the threads questioning Karchers situation with this one. In reality they are very much the same.

All that being said, I can honestly say, I love LU, JF and want nothing but the best for the University and it's sports programs. If that means that if the best thing for the school is to have a coach or program or course of study which with I disagree, so be it. No one hopes I am wrong about the MBB team more than I. Again, I apologize for being an ongoing part of this controversial subject.

I just wanted to be clear that I wasnt speakin of you, only our guest

[Ed Dantes]

Folks, be careful. That's all I have to say. There's a reason why we don't print rumors and unsubstantiated facts in the newspaper. You're playing with people's lives here. These men have families and deserve at least not to have to answer to rumors posted by guests. Some of the insight is very interesting but it's potentially damaging.

Yeah, and those libel lawsuits get to be a pain...

#1 - One of the reasons I love Liberty sports: Is that we have fans passionate enough to have discussions like this. I just can't imagine having a thread like this, or even a board like this, supporting CHarleston Southern. And I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have the coach on the board answering questions, or the team's beat writer. Go LU.

#2 - Are we disappointed with the poor play in conference? Heck mudder yeah. But I do feel good knowing that the coach of that team has the desire to win even more than I do, and that coach is refusing to let anyone mail it in. Do we stink? Undeniably. But at least we go down fighting; I can't say that about a) last year's football team and b) the last time our basketball team was in this position.

#3 - On the other hand, our five-year plan hasn't worked, and that does fall on the coaching staff. They have made egregious errors in scouting and recruiting high school players (Blair the lone exception). That's how you build a team, and get better - you can't just rely on JUCO's forever. Our underclassmen leave no hope for the future (the freshmen and sophomores). Sure, we get a few good transfers in for next year, and we can ride that wave for two years (if they pan out)... and then we'll be back here in 2009 (and if that's the case, then I'll be on the "change things" bandwagon).

All that being said, there is a time and a place for demanding accountability for LU's woes. I just think that this isn't (yet) the time, but if the time does arrive, I'm glad that this is the place.