[Liberty4Life]

Now I think we have a chicken - egg question.

When you see that players from the ACC have awesome careers in the NBA, is it because they were NBA-caliber players in high school and therefore went to an ACC school (arguably the best college conference), or did they develop into NBA-caliber players because they went to ACC schools?

(My opinion: both. Some players, like a Marvin Williams or Brandan Wright used UNC as a 'get the highest level of college basketball experience and use it as a stepping stone to the NBA -- although they wound up flaming out. On the other hand, you have players like Wake Forest's Josh Howard, who was a good college player but not highly-regarded going into the NBA... and wound up becoming an excellent player).

[LUconn]

(arguably the best college conference)

Probably not the best year for you to be making that argument. The only thing that's arguable is if it was the most dominant season in as long as I can remember (which is admittedly not that long) by any one conference.

[Liberty4Life]

(arguably the best college conference)

Probably not the best year for you to be making that argument. The only thing that's arguable is if it was the most dominant season in as long as I can remember (which is admittedly not that long) by any one conference.

I definitely think that in any given year you can have some strong conferences (the Big East was exceptionally strong this year, as was the Big Ten... other years it's the Pac-10 or Big 12), but consistently, the ACC is up there. They don't have off-years.

And I'll put a team of NBA players from the ACC against a team of NBA players from any other conference (except the 'let's skip college conference'). That's what I meant. The question is, why?

[blwall1416]

I heard this on Mike and Mike this morning and they said the most represented college in the NBA is Duke, second is Uconn and the school that's earning the most money again is Duke. That took me off guard....I wasnt expecting that. Dont worry UNC fans I believe you're in 3rd

Now.....show me the list of dookies with NBA championship rings....

[LUconn]

here's a few formulas. Not just straight, "who has the most". The first one seems to overemphasize quantity instead of quality and the 2nd one seems like it should have cut it off at a 10 player minimum but they're just for discussion I suppose.

http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/co ... intro.html
http://www.82games.com/collegedraftpicks.htm

[jcmanson]

(arguably the best college conference)

Probably not the best year for you to be making that argument. The only thing that's arguable is if it was the most dominant season in as long as I can remember (which is admittedly not that long) by any one conference.

Remind me who won the championship again?

[LUconn]

What color are oranges?

[jcmanson]

What color are oranges?

I think that would be Carolina Blue

[flamesbball84]

Now I think we have a chicken - egg question.

When you see that players from the ACC have awesome careers in the NBA, is it because they were NBA-caliber players in high school and therefore went to an ACC school (arguably the best college conference), or did they develop into NBA-caliber players because they went to ACC schools?

(My opinion: both. Some players, like a Marvin Williams or Brandan Wright used UNC as a 'get the highest level of college basketball experience and use it as a stepping stone to the NBA -- although they wound up flaming out. On the other hand, you have players like Wake Forest's Josh Howard, who was a good college player but not highly-regarded going into the NBA... and wound up becoming an excellent player).

Marvin Williams has NOT flamed out whatsoever. He averaged 13.9 points and 6.3 boards a game this season. Last year it was 14.8 and 5.7. Two years ago it was 13.1 and 5.3. Sure those aren't all-star caliber numbers, but they are pretty solid and definitely not flaming out level, but it is a bit concerning when a player that young doesnt really show that much improvement after his second year.

It's still too early to say that about Brandan Wright. He's only been in the league two years. This past year he improved tremendously, but injury set him back for a good portion of the season and prevented him from playing in more games, he doubled or nearly doubled his production in every single category this season. When he played he produced, no doubt about it. Per 48 minutes, he averaged 22.5 points and 11.0 rebounds. If he can stay healthy and Nellie doesn't completely ruin him with his maniacal coaching style, he has a bright future in the league.

[El Scorcho]

Now.....show me the list of dookies with NBA championship rings....

So far one of the guys who skipped college has four and I think one of the other two who did the same will get there eventually.

Go high school!

[Liberty4Life]

Now I think we have a chicken - egg question.

When you see that players from the ACC have awesome careers in the NBA, is it because they were NBA-caliber players in high school and therefore went to an ACC school (arguably the best college conference), or did they develop into NBA-caliber players because they went to ACC schools?

(My opinion: both. Some players, like a Marvin Williams or Brandan Wright used UNC as a 'get the highest level of college basketball experience and use it as a stepping stone to the NBA -- although they wound up flaming out. On the other hand, you have players like Wake Forest's Josh Howard, who was a good college player but not highly-regarded going into the NBA... and wound up becoming an excellent player).

Marvin Williams has NOT flamed out whatsoever. He averaged 13.9 points and 6.3 boards a game this season. Last year it was 14.8 and 5.7. Two years ago it was 13.1 and 5.3. Sure those aren't all-star caliber numbers, but they are pretty solid and definitely not flaming out level, but it is a bit concerning when a player that young doesnt really show that much improvement after his second year.

It's still too early to say that about Brandan Wright. He's only been in the league two years. This past year he improved tremendously, but injury set him back for a good portion of the season and prevented him from playing in more games, he doubled or nearly doubled his production in every single category this season. When he played he produced, no doubt about it. Per 48 minutes, he averaged 22.5 points and 11.0 rebounds. If he can stay healthy and Nellie doesn't completely ruin him with his maniacal coaching style, he has a bright future in the league.

My mistake about Williams. I should have said someone like Rashad McCants or something. You guys on this board are smart cookies... looks like I'll need to do a bit more research to keep up

[flamesbball84]

Now I think we have a chicken - egg question.

When you see that players from the ACC have awesome careers in the NBA, is it because they were NBA-caliber players in high school and therefore went to an ACC school (arguably the best college conference), or did they develop into NBA-caliber players because they went to ACC schools?

(My opinion: both. Some players, like a Marvin Williams or Brandan Wright used UNC as a 'get the highest level of college basketball experience and use it as a stepping stone to the NBA -- although they wound up flaming out. On the other hand, you have players like Wake Forest's Josh Howard, who was a good college player but not highly-regarded going into the NBA... and wound up becoming an excellent player).

Marvin Williams has NOT flamed out whatsoever. He averaged 13.9 points and 6.3 boards a game this season. Last year it was 14.8 and 5.7. Two years ago it was 13.1 and 5.3. Sure those aren't all-star caliber numbers, but they are pretty solid and definitely not flaming out level, but it is a bit concerning when a player that young doesnt really show that much improvement after his second year.

It's still too early to say that about Brandan Wright. He's only been in the league two years. This past year he improved tremendously, but injury set him back for a good portion of the season and prevented him from playing in more games, he doubled or nearly doubled his production in every single category this season. When he played he produced, no doubt about it. Per 48 minutes, he averaged 22.5 points and 11.0 rebounds. If he can stay healthy and Nellie doesn't completely ruin him with his maniacal coaching style, he has a bright future in the league.

My mistake about Williams. I should have said someone like Rashad McCants or something. You guys on this board are smart cookies... looks like I'll need to do a bit more research to keep up

I have a handle on pretty much every guy in the NBA that gets any playing time at all. I'm one of the most active trading partners in my strat-o-matic hoops team because the team I inherited was coming off one of the worst seasons in the history of the league, and I'm trying to tear the team apart and start from scratch, basically, so I need to be aware of what all these players are doing.

[bigsmooth]

thanks for that info

[flamesbball84]

thanks for that info

You're welcome

[flames1971]

I heard this on Mike and Mike this morning and they said the most represented college in the NBA is Duke, second is Uconn and the school that's earning the most money again is Duke. That took me off guard....I wasnt expecting that. Dont worry UNC fans I believe you're in 3rd

Go Duke! Didn't realize that. Hmmm....

BTW, I really don't think UNC is third....