[TDDance234]

So, basically, we've just been used as a pawn in typical Democrat campaign fashion?

[Hold My Own]

no nearly as bad as those in the club have been used though. When those with the national party approached those in the club with what to say, I wish just one of them would have said....wait....but that didnt happen. But like many have said they got star struck.

[FlameNForest]

I'm not saying conservatives are rabid and can't wait to attack other countries. What I'm asking is why conservative Christians don't call Bush's administration to the carpet for not sticking to the teachings of Jesus [like preemptive war], except on the issues of gay marriage or abortion? To the non-Republicans, like me, it's odd that the only issues conservative, Christian Republicans seem to care about are abortion and gay marriage. Nowhere near the same anger seems to be reserved for poverty or war.

Well then, since you put it that way, I'll never vote for him again.

And, I don't see where Republicans are pro-poverty. Some just don't feel it's right to punish those that work hard to pay for those who don't. Also, I think there are many instances in the Bible where God's army went to war. I'm not sure if they always found wmd either.

[FlameNForest]

So because we can't totally eliminate poverty, we're called to just say, "Oh well. I guess we can't fix it. Might as well just sit around." ? No. Christ called us to work for his kingdom, trusting that he will grant the final victory. We're to labor in the vineyards regardless. Abortion can't be totally stopped, but wouldn't you consider it a good thing if its frequency was reduced? Poverty is the same way.
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http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/loc ... ies/15038/

Who's sitting around?

There are many ways to confront poverty that don't include taking an even larger % from those who work more to give to those who don't. And just last week Obama signed a credit card bill that will essentially help those who have overcharged and defaulted while punishing those who have done the right thing all along and paid off their balances each month. Socialism as practiced by American Democrats is not what Christ was referring to.

[JDUB]

So because we can't totally eliminate poverty, we're called to just say, "Oh well. I guess we can't fix it. Might as well just sit around." ? No. Christ called us to work for his kingdom, trusting that he will grant the final victory. We're to labor in the vineyards regardless. Abortion can't be totally stopped, but wouldn't you consider it a good thing if its frequency was reduced? Poverty is the same way.
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http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/loc ... ies/15038/

Who's sitting around?

There are many ways to confront poverty that don't include taking an even larger % from those who work more to give to those who don't. And just last week Obama signed a credit card bill that will essentially help those who have overcharged and defaulted while punishing those who have done the right thing all along and paid off their balances each month. Socialism as practiced by American Democrats is not what Christ was referring to.

Off topic. Could we have a seperate thread for this subject? I'm sure we could have a good debate but it doesn't belong here

[FlameNForest]

So because we can't totally eliminate poverty, we're called to just say, "Oh well. I guess we can't fix it. Might as well just sit around." ? No. Christ called us to work for his kingdom, trusting that he will grant the final victory. We're to labor in the vineyards regardless. Abortion can't be totally stopped, but wouldn't you consider it a good thing if its frequency was reduced? Poverty is the same way.
.

http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/loc ... ies/15038/

Who's sitting around?

There are many ways to confront poverty that don't include taking an even larger % from those who work more to give to those who don't. And just last week Obama signed a credit card bill that will essentially help those who have overcharged and defaulted while punishing those who have done the right thing all along and paid off their balances each month. Socialism as practiced by American Democrats is not what Christ was referring to.

Off topic. Could we have a seperate thread for this subject? I'm sure we could have a good debate but it doesn't belong here

Fine with me. If it had been moved a couple of pages back, then I wouldn't have responded in this thread though.

[FlameNForest]

So, have we figured out who lied and/or who is or isn't an idiot yet?

[Hold My Own]

Everyone else has figured it out, unfortunately the actual person hasnt yet.

[Ed Dantes]

So, have we figured out who lied and/or who is or isn't an idiot yet?

No one 'lied'. Things were said, and other things were inferred, erroneously.

[SuperJon]

Unfortunately for us, the damage is done. Whether right or wrong, the damage is done. There's no way to "fix" this in the public eye. This is the purple teletubby. It's the situation where something didn't actually happen but the media said it did so that's what everyone is going to believe. Personally, I think whatever happens next, especially regarding someone's job and the consequences of what's gone on, should stay private. Then again, opinions are like buttholes - everyone has one and they all stink, mine probably more than others.

[Ed Dantes]

Unfortunately for us, the damage is done. Whether right or wrong, the damage is done. There's no way to "fix" this in the public eye. This is the purple teletubby. It's the situation where something didn't actually happen but the media said it did so that's what everyone is going to believe.

What he said.

[Hold My Own]

So, have we figured out who lied and/or who is or isn't an idiot yet?

No one 'lied'. Things were said, and other things were inferred, erroneously.

Explain to me how saying that Mark Hine said something he in fact did not is not a lie. Not only did they say this to the media but got on here and said the same thing. To me saying something that I know isnt true is a lie....maybe I have a misconception of what a lie is though

[ATrain]

So, have we figured out who lied and/or who is or isn't an idiot yet?

No one 'lied'. Things were said, and other things were inferred, erroneously.

Explain to me how saying that Mark Hine said something he in fact did not is not a lie. Not only did they say this to the media but got on here and said the same thing. To me saying something that I know isnt true is a lie....maybe I have a misconception of what a lie is though

Was he ever directly quoted as saying that? I think all of the quotes I heard were "He basically said that..." in other words, those weren't his EXACT words, but that was the message that was conveyed. Whats said and the message that gets sent can be two completely different things sometimes.

[SuperJon]

But if someone says, "No, that's not what I said" when asked if that's what they are inferring, it's pretty hard to still think they were inferring what was thought originally.

[Hold My Own]

No one 'lied'. Things were said, and other things were inferred, erroneously.

Explain to me how saying that Mark Hine said something he in fact did not is not a lie. Not only did they say this to the media but got on here and said the same thing. To me saying something that I know isnt true is a lie....maybe I have a misconception of what a lie is though

Was he ever directly quoted as saying that? I think all of the quotes I heard were "He basically said that..." in other words, those weren't his EXACT words, but that was the message that was conveyed. Whats said and the message that gets sent can be two completely different things sometimes.

His final statement was that Democrats cannot possibly be Christians and therefore as long as we had the word "Democrat" in our title we would not be able to function on OR off campus.

The words she used were "his final statement WAS" not "something like" or whatever else...not to mention the direct quote from what we were led to believe an email directly from Hine

[rueful]

"What did she know and when did she know it"

[soccer7]

I'm so baffled by this I'm thinking maybe there's some background we don't know about. Maybe the key in LU's statement is "whose parent organization stands against" their moral principals. Maybe they tried to get them to drop their official affiliation with the DNC (if there is one) and they wouldn't. Because obviously in that case the DNC's official stance on, I don't know....... ABORTION, is pro. If that's the case then I don't see how you could have an LU organization connected with that. I don't know. I'm just shooting in the dark.

My thinking was in line with yours. I also just want to say that Obama is a "christian" and look what he stands for. If you are supporting the same things then you really are not in sync with the beliefs that LU were founded on. That being said I think that we should not lock out people that are believers because their walk with God is their own. But we should not stop preaching the morals and principles the school was founded on.

[matshark]

I never said that we were NOT going to offer an apology, but we cannot apologize for things we did not do or statements that we did not make.

No, thats what you want the UNIVERSITY to do. Always a double standard.

We are discussing who said what and what we did not say.

Why? To get your story straight? Afraid of getting caught in a lie a SECOND time? How hard is it to say, "I said this, at this time" and then just leave it at that?

I agree with Jerry Jr in that there was some misunderstandings regarding the university's position.

"misunderstandings" Is that what lies are being called these days?

I will further state that I was NOT the one that created this forum, and only responded because I was asked to, by one of your own.

no kidding sherlock. you're a bright one. someone wanted you to clarify what was going on, and instead you muddled it all up. you are a complete disgrace to the university and should be fired ASAP! people like you are EXACTLY the reason the university doesn't offer tenure.

let me give you a bit of advice. get together with all your Dem club buddies, go put together a NEW story, and see if anyone believes THAT one.

[Schfourteenteen]

That's what I thought...you simply got a little to big and came on here and embellished. I've asked you 2 times now on if it was said or if it wasnt and you dodging my question answers it perfectly. Please do not come on here saying things as if they are fact if indeed they are lies

For whatever reason this reminds me of


Say hello to Kevin Hart

[JK37]

no nearly as bad as those in the club have been used though. When those with the national party approached those in the club with what to say, I wish just one of them would have said....wait....but that didnt happen. But like many have said they got star struck.

Exactly the point I was making last night. You, RTF, and TDDance Nailed it!

McAuliffe/Kaine used this to their own, personal advantage, which just so happened to align with the party and its tricks.

[JK37]

I never said that we were NOT going to offer an apology, but we cannot apologize for things we did not do or statements that we did not make.

No, thats what you want the UNIVERSITY to do. Always a double standard.

We are discussing who said what and what we did not say.

Why? To get your story straight? Afraid of getting caught in a lie a SECOND time? How hard is it to say, "I said this, at this time" and then just leave it at that?

I agree with Jerry Jr in that there was some misunderstandings regarding the university's position.

"misunderstandings" Is that what lies are being called these days?

I will further state that I was NOT the one that created this forum, and only responded because I was asked to, by one of your own.

no kidding sherlock. you're a bright one. someone wanted you to clarify what was going on, and instead you muddled it all up. you are a complete disgrace to the university and should be fired ASAP! people like you are EXACTLY the reason the university doesn't offer tenure.

let me give you a bit of advice. get together with all your Dem club buddies, go put together a NEW story, and see if anyone believes THAT one.

Why fire her? That might only bring on more media backlash (however unfounded).

If she really wants to stay, let her. I do not believe that this situation has engendered increased support on-campus, among faculty, staff, or students.

[Hold My Own]

well she did take on not only her boss but essentially the CEO and VP and lied about things they said. Not to many companies that would allow an employee (given the sponsors position) to stay. I understand what that means and in this economy I wish that upon nobody however I also wish people wouldnt lie about what their executives said.

[JK37]

well she did take on not only her boss but essentially the CEO and VP and lied about things they said. Not to many companies that would allow an employee (given the sponsors position) to stay. I understand what that means and in this economy I wish that upon nobody however I also wish people wouldnt lie about what their executives said.

Agreed. I'm simply saying if she decides to stay, I don't suppose life will be just peachy and all will be forgotten in the workplace.

I'm also not advocating any associates to treat her poorly.

[matshark]

i mean, she only slandered her boss, VP and her company in the national press... its certainly nothing to get worked up over, now is it?

hopefully she gets a pink slip in her next paycheck

is it too much to simply tell the truth?

[rueful]

She shouldnt be fired. Yes, LU has every reason to fire her. You cant completely trash your company and keep your job. If a mcdonalds cashier started telling everyone who came to order "the food here is really nasty, you should go to burger king" they wont keep their job.

But, I think what any self respecting person with a brain would do is say "I messed up. I dont really agree with the purpose and doctrine of my employer, and I would probably be much happier working elsewhere. I shall resign." But, at the same time, that takes a couple of characteristics that not too many politicians/political activists/ etc. have, such as honesty, integrity, common sense, among others.