[bigsmooth]

i would have done it a long time ago...sly where are you??

[SuperJon]

If I remember right, he's in the sport management field. That's what makes it funny to me.

[flamesbball84]

If I remember right, he's in the sport management field. That's what makes it funny to me.

That was my major, not my career field.

[Ed Dantes]

Don't feed the troll.

For the record, I won't say that the Liberty reputation is sterling in the hiring world. Some of that has to do with the fact that it is Christian. Most of it has to do with the fact that no one has heard of it.

In my opinion, Liberty is hurt more by letting idiots enroll than by its Christian roots. A little academic standards go a long way. But I digress.....

[flamesbball84]

Don't feed the troll.

For the record, I won't say that the Liberty reputation is sterling in the hiring world. Some of that has to do with the fact that it is Christian. Most of it has to do with the fact that no one has heard of it.

In my opinion, Liberty is hurt more by letting idiots enroll than by its Christian roots. A little academic standards go a long way. But I digress.....

At least someone other than me recognizes that

[Ed Dantes]

Don't feed the troll.

For the record, I won't say that the Liberty reputation is sterling in the hiring world. Some of that has to do with the fact that it is Christian. Most of it has to do with the fact that no one has heard of it.

In my opinion, Liberty is hurt more by letting idiots enroll than by its Christian roots. A little academic standards go a long way. But I digress.....

At least someone other than me recognizes that

Thanks... but before you're glad that I'm aligned with you on that topic, keep in mind that I'm probably one of the most hated posters on this board........

[ATrain]

Personally, I don't see why academic reputation is based on who you let in. It should be on who you graduate and the quality of work performed by the graduates.

And for the record, I know for a fact that LC has taken at least one person that got rejected by Longwood.

[RagingTireFire]

I just realized that it's been three days since this happened and I no longer care about it.

[flamesfilmguy]

I'm just surprised we haven't heard from the Kraut

[flamesbball84]

Personally, I don't see why academic reputation is based on who you let in. It should be on who you graduate and the quality of work performed by the graduates.

And for the record, I know for a fact that LC has taken at least one person that got rejected by Longwood.

I've known of at least two students get denied by Ferrum but got accepted by Liberty. Only 44% of incoming Ferrum students were in the top half and the average SAT score was 400-480 and 390-490. Ferrum has some of the lowest standards I've ever seen at a four-year college. Of course, all you have to do is be able to fill out an application at LU to get accepted, as evidenced by the fact that 2% of their incoming students had a GPA of 1.0-1.99.

Ask schools like Amherst, Williams, Stanford, and other tier one schools if admission standards don't make a difference in academic reputation. The top notch schools have very strict admission standards and only let in the best of the best. You don't get a good academic reputation by accepting everyone that applies, no matter how good the graduates are.

[LUconn]

Do all LC grad students have unlimited access to the us news college and university stats or just the dillusional homers like yourself? It kooks like your a pro.

[flamesbball84]

Do all LC grad students have unlimited access to the us news college and university stats or just the dillusional homers like yourself? It kooks like your a pro.

It's all readily available for free for all of the world on collegeboard.com, even LU people can see it

[kiltsareitchy07]

One of the things that really saddens me is the Christian Right's apparent reduction of "moral issues" to gay marriage and abortion, and the Liberty administration's belief that Christianity and Reagan Republicanism go hand in hand. One one hand, they argue that abortion and homosexual marriage are contrary to the law of God, but I'd argue that in the light of the Sermon on the Mount and the example of Christ, armaments proliferation, huge defense budgets, preemptive war, and American nationalism are just as out of line. It's hard to love your enemy as you spend billions of dollars of research on new ways to kill him. I also find it sad that according to Mr. Hines, "socialism" is contrary to Christian doctrine. Nowhere in the Bible, Apostles' or Nicene Creed is a condemnation of socialism. To the contrary, as we all know, the M.O. of the early Church was communism, minus Lenin, the Party, and the CheKa. I'm not an advocate of socialism as seen in the USSR, but to say that socialism in principle goes specifically against Christian teaching is ridiculous and untrue. But this is the kind of thing that happens when you mix politics and faith in this particular manner. I hope the LU administration changes its mind here.

[adam42381]

Are you implying that you would vote for the savior of the economy that is pro-abortion and homosexual marriage over the other guy?

Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

I know that there are far more important things to get done by one person's policy than abortion or gay rights. Roe v Wade isn't going to be overturn because of one person. The gay vs straight debate isn't going to hinge on one person.

The Evangelical Right gets so caught up on one or two issues in politics that they fail to see the bigger picture.

God is not a Republican.

I agree. I've made that argument dozens of times w/ my parents and in-laws. I don't get the point of basing your vote on 2 issues that aren't going to be overturned anyway.

[Baldspot]

Last time I checked - one person (the President) picks the Supreme Court justices for vacant positions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Roe V Wade came from the Supreme Court.

[SuperJon]

And you would be right. The thing is, a president has more impact on a fiscal policy than he does on the abortion issue. Yeah, there might be a supreme court justice resign during his term. There might not be. I'm not electing someone on a bunch of maybes that maybe someone will resign and maybe someone will challenge Roe v Wade during that justice's time on office. That's just stupid.

[Ed Dantes]

Last time I checked - one person (the President) picks the Supreme Court justices for vacant positions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Roe V Wade came from the Supreme Court.

Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't stop one abortion.

[Covert Hawk]

Last time I checked - one person (the President) picks the Supreme Court justices for vacant positions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Roe V Wade came from the Supreme Court.

The Congress does have the authority to strip the federal courts, including the Supreme Court, over broad categories of cases. By a simple majority Congress could strip the federal courts of jurisdiction over abortion, thereby overturning Roe V. Wade.

Lets remember the law can only do so much, since women in the 1960s were having abortions performed against the law. Perhaps, instead of giving money to political campaigns that promise to overturn Roe V. Wade, we should instead give our money to the Liberty Godbearing home which gives a women with unwanted pregnancies other options besides abortion.

[FlamingYalieWahoo]

Along the lines of this issue, I grow weary of how much such incidences get distorted by the press and certain citizens of L'burg. Major universities make similar 'bad' decisions. However, once the issue subsides - its forgotten. Such infractions do not continue to build hostility against the school in the way they do for LU. For years, universities 'covered up' crime stats for their schools in order to look safe. Rape was a serious problem, underage drinking and alcoholism remain an issue. In the 90s Speech Codes were implemented with measures regularly taken against conservative students. These universities tout themselves as pillars of the community and moral exemplars to all. Yes, the media would make hay over these things at the time they occurred in order to get national recognition but as I said such issues did not accumulate and inflame the residents of the community in the way they do for LU. True, there's no moral code but there are honor codes - UVA's is stringent; its a single sanction code - one violation and you're gone. No one questions the integrity of the university when the students violate it. Almost all of the students of a UVA physics class cheated on an exam, many were booted. Does this mean that UVA is a 'bad' school for admitting students who cheat? Does the community berate UVA for its existence? I will admit when an athletic team has number of players convicted of crimes - it does tend to count against the coach's status. There's also the issue of the lack of conservative faculty at universities, public and private - this is almost official policy at some schools. Does this justify LU in doing anything similar to this - no. Are there any without sin and if not should they continuously launch boulders? I'm just thinking off the top of my head here but its pretty undeniable that hypocrisy abounds.

[Cider Jim]

Our Chancellor's response:

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=8373

[flames1971]

Our Chancellor's response:

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=8373

Liberty stands for certain core values; not for a political party.

[Baldspot]

Last time I checked - one person (the President) picks the Supreme Court justices for vacant positions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Roe V Wade came from the Supreme Court.

Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't stop one abortion.

Didn't say it would, but I can think of ten states that would restrict/outlaw the procedure within days of that decision. The point of the comment, however, was that one person can make a change. Case in point Obama's executive orders during his first week in office regarding US support for abortions over seas.

[mechildress]

All:

Yes, at one time I followed FF diligently, but I have been busy with life and thus have not visited the forum for some time (other than to express my condolences for our beloved Fumble). I have not necessarily been afraid to post or respond on this issue here, I have just been too busy to do so.

I have read all of the responses to this issue, including the many rabbit trails that were chased. Now, I would like to issue a response.

We received the email that disbanded us on Friday, April 15th in the mid-afternoon. I immediately attempted to set up a meeting with VP Hine, which was only obtained AFTER reaching out to Jerry Jr. In that email, Diaz was told that we could not organize/meet on OR off campus. The email further stated,

"No student club or organization shall be approved, recognized or permitted to meet on campus, advertise, distribute or post materials, or use University facilities if the statements, positions, doctrines, policies, constitutions, bylaws, platforms, activities or events of such club or organization, its parent, affiliate, chapter or similarly named group (even if the similarly named group is not the actual parent, affiliate or chapter) are inconsistent or in conflict with the distinctly Christian mission of the University, the Liberty Way, the Honor Code, or the policies and procedures promulgated by the University"

Further in the email it was stated that this was not an issue with our specific club, but rather due to the Democratic Party.

"Even though this club may not support the more radical planks of the democratic party, the democratic party is still the parent organization of the club on campus."

In the meeting that was had with VP Hine, a student and I asked what we could do to make the Administration change its mind on this decision. We presented him a copy of our Constitution that clearly states that we are anti-abortion and pro-traditional form of marriage. Our constitution further states that we cannot as a club endorse ANY candidate until after a nomination has been given. Thus being stated, the only two candidates that we have supported have been Barack Obama (presidential candidate, before we were granted official club status) and Del. Shannon Valentine (incumbant House Delegate for Lynchburg, who is FIERCELY pro-life and pro-family). His final statement was that Democrats cannot possibly be Christians and therefore as long as we had the word "Democrat" in our title we would not be able to function on OR off campus. The issue was NEVER about funding. According to President-Elect Mihelic, the proposal through SGA is to have a discretionary fund that clubs can request funds for specific needs. LUCD acknowledges that regardless of what our need might be we would not likely receive funds from SGA.

Since then there has been a media storm regarding the issue. I am very disappointed that conflicting reports have been given to the media and that all communication regarding negotiations has been through the media and that the administration really hasn't communicated directly to us. As a club, we are seeking other options such as aligning with Democrats for Life and Faithful Democrats. We are also supposed to have a meeting with JJ, Hine and Staver sometime tomorrow. We want the best for all involved, including the University. However, we will stand up for our rights.

The club has been active within Virginia Young Democrats to create a Faith Caucus to discuss issues of faith within the party and to affect Democratic Policy on that regard. Late in the Spring Semester we held a leadership retreat and part of the purpose of the retreat was to brainstorm and plan activities for the coming year. One of the activities that we have planned is holding a fund-raiser for the Liberty Godparent Home and holding a Sanctity of Life Week in which we would promote ALL issues of life, not just abortion.

For those of you who have supported us, or are at least stand against this decision and would like to do something, please sign the petition hosted by VDA at http://www.vayd.org. You may also sign the petition hosted by College Democrats of America Alumni Association at http://www.collegedemsalumni.com/liberty.php.

[LUconn]

Well that's interesting. With the "revised" decision, what are we signing for? To get official status?

[SuperJon]

So it sounds like Mark Hine is where the blame lies. From what I've read, Jerry Jr has been trying to get things worked out and Hine was the one who said you couldn't be a Christian and be a Democrat.