[rueful]

I completely support the decision. I really dont think it was Jr. trying to say you have to be republican, but it really was more of the fact that this school was founded on certain beliefs, to name a few, abortion is wrong, and marriage is between one man and one woman, and we will not allow a group to exist on campus that holds beliefs opposed to that. Its why every student is required to take GNED 101 and 102, to learn why Christians disagree with those two things(among the rest of what is taught in those classes)

Honestly, I think the support of abortion and homo-sexuality is completely against everything LU stands for, why on earth would LU support that? And I think I know of too many alumni who were ready to grab their torches, if you know what I mean.

[RubberMallet]

I completely support the decision. I really dont think it was Jr. trying to say you have to be republican, but it really was more of the fact that this school was founded on certain beliefs, to name a few, abortion is wrong, and marriage is between one man and one woman, and we will not allow a group to exist on campus that holds beliefs opposed to that. Its why every student is required to take GNED 101 and 102, to learn why Christians disagree with those two things(among the rest of what is taught in those classes)

Honestly, I think the support of abortion and homo-sexuality is completely against everything LU stands for, why on earth would LU support that? And I think I know of too many alumni who were ready to grab their torches, if you know what I mean.

uh....i know tons of democrats taht are completely against both of those things....and i know republicans who support them...

[rueful]

I completely support the decision. I really dont think it was Jr. trying to say you have to be republican, but it really was more of the fact that this school was founded on certain beliefs, to name a few, abortion is wrong, and marriage is between one man and one woman, and we will not allow a group to exist on campus that holds beliefs opposed to that. Its why every student is required to take GNED 101 and 102, to learn why Christians disagree with those two things(among the rest of what is taught in those classes)

Honestly, I think the support of abortion and homo-sexuality is completely against everything LU stands for, why on earth would LU support that? And I think I know of too many alumni who were ready to grab their torches, if you know what I mean.

uh....i know tons of democrats taht are completely against both of those things....and i know republicans who support them...

thats great. I guess Jerry should just change his mind, make an even bigger mess, and then send those people all money?

Jerry wasnt saying today "if your a democrat your evil, republicans good" He was saying LU will not support a club that is campaigning to elect officials who hold views opposed to Liberty. They can support them themselves all they want, but LU will not be funding their doing so.

Reading through the last two pages, I think Shuck is right, you dont have to be smart to go to liberty

[RubberMallet]

I completely support the decision. I really dont think it was Jr. trying to say you have to be republican, but it really was more of the fact that this school was founded on certain beliefs, to name a few, abortion is wrong, and marriage is between one man and one woman, and we will not allow a group to exist on campus that holds beliefs opposed to that. Its why every student is required to take GNED 101 and 102, to learn why Christians disagree with those two things(among the rest of what is taught in those classes)

Honestly, I think the support of abortion and homo-sexuality is completely against everything LU stands for, why on earth would LU support that? And I think I know of too many alumni who were ready to grab their torches, if you know what I mean.

uh....i know tons of democrats taht are completely against both of those things....and i know republicans who support them...

thats great. I guess Jerry should just change his mind, make an even bigger mess, and then send those people all money?

no it should of not even happened in the first place. you can argue all you want but supporting queers and abortion is not a requirement to be a part of the democratic party.

He was saying LU will not support a club that is campaigning to elect officials who hold views opposed to Liberty.

well hopefully they stop funding any republican club if there is one because there are quite a few elected republican senators and representatives who consider themselves pro-choice, for gay marriage, or both. WE CANT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SUPPORT OFFICIALS WHO HOLD OPPOSING VIEWS OF LIBERTY!!!

Reading through the last two pages, I think Shuck is right, you dont have to be smart to go to liberty

uh did you go to liberty? i'm pretty sure they send quite a few acceptance letters to corpses every year....

[4everfsu]

There may be people on both sides of the aisle for gay marriage and abortion, but LU has not ever led its name or support to them.
If I am not mistaken Jerry Jr. or was is Jonathan who supported Huckabee in the last election.
And we know Huckabee is not for gay marriages or abortion.

[olldflame]

Have some of us actually deluded ourselves into believing there is no difference between the 2 major parties simply because we can cite a few anecdotal cases of pro-life Dems and pro-abortion Reps?

The Republican party is far from perfect, but it essentially pro-life and pro-family, and the Democrat party is not. Having said that, the issue here is not the parties per se, but the specific candidates supported by the LU Democrat club (most notibly Barak Obama). They told the school they were pro-life/family, but their actions said that "change" and the election of Democrats was their priority, regardless of the candidates position on issues important to LU.

The more I look at this, the more strongly I feel that this decision had to be made, and the only real mistake was not getting ahead of the story by proactively taking it to the media with a full explaination as soon as it was announced. If Rachal Madcow wouldn't let JJ or Hine go on with the club president to defend the school's position, I'm sure Hannity or O'Reilly would.

[Ed Dantes]

Liberty needs to learn the simple newspaper rule and it would help them tremendously. Will the decision make headline news in a negative manner? If yes, then it's most likely wise not to do it.

While it is something which needs to be taken into account, I hope and pray the day never comes when decisions are made at my alma matre based on how they will be perceived in the media.

Instead, they are making decisions based upon donor support. Is that better?

[Ed Dantes]

Here's a question...

Suppose Rudy Giuliani won the GOP nomination, and the College Republicans were organizing a fundraiser for him? He's pro-choice. He's pro-gay. Would Liberty have banned that group from campus?

I'm beginning to think that churches and ministries should not get involved with politics.

[olldflame]

Liberty needs to learn the simple newspaper rule and it would help them tremendously. Will the decision make headline news in a negative manner? If yes, then it's most likely wise not to do it.

While it is something which needs to be taken into account, I hope and pray the day never comes when decisions are made at my alma matre based on how they will be perceived in the media.

Instead, they are making decisions based upon donor support. Is that better?

If you look at who the people who donate to LU are and their motives for supporting the school, as opposed to the mainstream media and their agenda, my answer is a resounding YES. Our donors almost invariably support us BECAUSE OF our core beliefs.

[SuperJon]

Here's a question...

Suppose Rudy Giuliani won the GOP nomination, and the College Republicans were organizing a fundraiser for him? He's pro-choice. He's pro-gay. Would Liberty have banned that group from campus?

I'm beginning to think that churches and ministries should not get involved with politics.

That's my line of thinking completely. There's going to be someone that comes along and has a great conservative fiscal policy that helps us get out of this mess, but is pro choice and these people are either going to not vote him simply because of one issue or are going to contradict all of this.

[flamesbball84]

I'm beginning to think that churches and ministries should not get involved with politics.

Agreed, it sure does blend the line between separation of church and state as well.

[flamesbball84]

Well, it seems we have a self-appointed "expert" in our midst. Do you know a single person who has been denied a job because they went to Liberty shuk? Our graduates are doing fine, thank you, and not only get good jobs, but are accepted at top graduate programs on a regular basis, including prestigious medical and law schools. As far as positive changes are concerned, having attended the school for 6 years in the early days and followed it's progress for some 30 years since graduating, I think I know a bit more about that than you do. This little business about the democratic club is barely a blip on the radar screen.

FYI, I know of several employers who have stated they will not hire LU graduates, and I know of a few LU graduates who have applied at these places and been turned down.

And I also know of several Liberty students attending graduate school at Liberty that have tried to transfer to graduate schools with a drastically better academic reputation and none of their credits will transfer...

[Baldspot]

The man to get us out of the fiscal mess was Mitt Romney and he is pro-life. We do not need to compromise. But many on this board supported populist candidates with limited appeal from Arkansas and Texas. Both had zero chance of winning any battleground states in the northeast and thus no chance of winning the general election.

And now we propose to head to the backwoods and not engage popular culture again, akin to what was done after the Scopes trial.
Yea, that worked out real well the first time around.

[Baldspot]

Well, it seems we have a self-appointed "expert" in our midst. Do you know a single person who has been denied a job because they went to Liberty shuk? Our graduates are doing fine, thank you, and not only get good jobs, but are accepted at top graduate programs on a regular basis, including prestigious medical and law schools. As far as positive changes are concerned, having attended the school for 6 years in the early days and followed it's progress for some 30 years since graduating, I think I know a bit more about that than you do. This little business about the democratic club is barely a blip on the radar screen.

FYI, I know of several employers who have stated they will not hire LU graduates, and I know of a few LU graduates who have applied at these places and been turned down.

And I also know of several Liberty students attending graduate school at Liberty that have tried to transfer to graduate schools with a drastically better academic reputation and none of their credits will transfer...

Your arguments are so juvenile. People pick and choose who they want to hire based on a lot of criteria, some more nefarious in nature. Not a big revelation there shuck. I've personally worked with people who will only hire large chested ladies, men who make good drinking buddies, certain color of skin (African American preferred), ethnic backgrounds (need more Spanish speakers) and the latest deals with ones support of gay and lesbians workplace agendas.

As far as reputation, I have degrees from both LU and yours truly LC. From my experience working in the northeast corridor where Ivy schools reign, LU's name is at least recognized (though for political reasons) and gets a second look which is all you ask. The most people think of when they hear the world Lynchburg College is "They make great whiskey down there." As if it were located in Tennessee.

[flamesbball84]

Well, it seems we have a self-appointed "expert" in our midst. Do you know a single person who has been denied a job because they went to Liberty shuk? Our graduates are doing fine, thank you, and not only get good jobs, but are accepted at top graduate programs on a regular basis, including prestigious medical and law schools. As far as positive changes are concerned, having attended the school for 6 years in the early days and followed it's progress for some 30 years since graduating, I think I know a bit more about that than you do. This little business about the democratic club is barely a blip on the radar screen.

FYI, I know of several employers who have stated they will not hire LU graduates, and I know of a few LU graduates who have applied at these places and been turned down.

And I also know of several Liberty students attending graduate school at Liberty that have tried to transfer to graduate schools with a drastically better academic reputation and none of their credits will transfer...

Your arguments are so juvenile. People pick and choose who they want to hire based on a lot of criteria, some more nefarious in nature. Not a big revelation there shuck. I've personally worked with people who will only hire large chested ladies, men who make good drinking buddies, certain color of skin (African American preferred), ethnic backgrounds (need more Spanish speakers) and the latest deals with ones support of gay and lesbians workplace agendas.

As far as reputation, I have degrees from both LU and yours truly LC. From my experience working in the northeast corridor where Ivy schools reign, LU's name is at least recognized (though for political reasons) and gets a second look which is all you ask. The most people think of when they hear the world Lynchburg College is "They make great whiskey down there." As if it were located in Tennessee.

People like whiskey, most people don't like intolerance. I think I'll take the whiskey over the intolerance unless I'm applying for a place that likes intolerance.

However, with the career field I'm going into, LC has a very high standing reputation that is recognized up and down the entire east coast. Liberty, on the other hand, doesn't have a high standing reputation, mostly a very negative one in discussions with others from around the country in my field...

[rueful]

Here's a question...

Suppose Rudy Giuliani won the GOP nomination, and the College Republicans were organizing a fundraiser for him? He's pro-choice. He's pro-gay. Would Liberty have banned that group from campus?

I'm beginning to think that churches and ministries should not get involved with politics.

That's my line of thinking completely. There's going to be someone that comes along and has a great conservative fiscal policy that helps us get out of this mess, but is pro choice and these people are either going to not vote him simply because of one issue or are going to contradict all of this.

my line of thinking is that in the end, whether I have money or not, I should help out others and serve others, and ultimately, when Judgement day comes, I dont think God is going to ask us "Why didnt you elect more officials who would help the economy" before he asks us why we elected officials who supported everything that goes against his will.

[SuperJon]

Wow.

[rueful]

yeah I know, call me crazy, but who the hell cares about the economy in the end. I would much rather be focused on other things than something that in the end wont effect the kingdom.

You know the US isnt part of Revelation, right? Something about that seems to the point that maybe the US wont always be the super power it once was/is. Americans have been ridiculous the last several decades with spending and incomes etc., and yeah, I get it, alot of people are losing jobs right now and alot of people lost alot of money in the stocks etc etc etc. How many of those peoples jobs were eternal? Who is taking their money with them to heaven?

I get it, if this life is all we have, then certain things are more important than others. But I believe that there is more, and everything is opposite.

[SuperJon]

Um, yeah. Wow.

[Baldspot]

However, with the career field I'm going into, LC has a very high standing reputation that is recognized up and down the entire east coast. Liberty, on the other hand, doesn't have a high standing reputation, mostly a very negative one in discussions with others from around the country in my field...

"career field I'm going into" means no experience in the workplace but I'm sure you have the people skills to cover up that weakness. Good luck dropping LC's name.

[rueful]

Um, yeah. Wow.

Im not saying that when it comes time to vote im not going to take it into consideration, all im saying is that when it comes down to it, if one candidate is going to be the savior of the world by promising to fix the economy, but hes pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, I will vote for the guy who is pro-life and pro-man and woman marriage but may not be the savior of the economy.

Its not that I dont think about it, its just that Christian values are far more important to me.

Are you implying that you would vote for the savior of the economy that is pro-abortion and homosexual marriage over the other guy?

[ToTheLeft]

I'm beginning to think that churches and ministries should not get involved with politics.

DING DING DING DING DING!

I think we have a winner.

Especially when there is money involved.

[flamesbball84]

However, with the career field I'm going into, LC has a very high standing reputation that is recognized up and down the entire east coast. Liberty, on the other hand, doesn't have a high standing reputation, mostly a very negative one in discussions with others from around the country in my field...

"career field I'm going into" means no experience in the workplace but I'm sure you have the people skills to cover up that weakness. Good luck dropping LC's name.

4 years experience in the field suggests other wise. good try, hope you have better luck next time though

[SuperJon]

Are you implying that you would vote for the savior of the economy that is pro-abortion and homosexual marriage over the other guy?

Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

I know that there are far more important things to get done by one person's policy than abortion or gay rights. Roe v Wade isn't going to be overturn because of one person. The gay vs straight debate isn't going to hinge on one person.

The Evangelical Right gets so caught up on one or two issues in politics that they fail to see the bigger picture.

God is not a Republican.

[Baldspot]

I guess communications isn't the field of choice thus you would have known the "going into" wording undercuts your experience level as well as being inaccurate but alas, you still have your people skills working for you when you find out LC isn't a household name and down the east coast.