[olldflame]

Odom's out. No chance.

Why's that? Just curious.

Speculation...

Maybe too young/inexperienced/raw?

Sounds like it may be something "non-basketball related". (That speculative enough for you? )

[Ed Dantes]

some of you guys are saying some very unpleasant things about guys who obviously have a good chance of being the next HC.

The truth sometimes is unpleasant. 31-71 is not the record of someone who knows how to build a team. If Layer is such a great guy, fine, make him an assistant.

[SuperJon]

some of you guys are saying some very unpleasant things about guys who obviously have a good chance of being the next HC.

The truth sometimes is unpleasant. 31-71 is not the record of someone who knows how to build a team. If Layer is such a great guy, fine, make him an assistant.

I think you'd be insane not to look at that record but I think you wouldn't do it justice if you just simply looked at it and took it for face value. Save for TCU who was in the league one year while Layer was the head coach, every team in that conference made at least one trip to the NCAA Tournament. That conference can is sometimes in the Top 5 in RPI. This year it was 7th (whereas we were 25th). The record is bad, very bad, and I'll admit it makes me somewhat skeptical. I also know that the Big South isn't the Mountain West and it's a much easier league to win than the Mountain West, especially if you play a big man's game like Layer likes to play. I'll admit I was on the Cline bandwagon. In my opinion, I was hoping for Cline, Layer, Soucie, in that order. I'll settle for #2.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Im not too excited with Layer's record either, but I keep thinking of this example!

Bill Bellachick

With Cleveland 36-44 45%
With New England 102-42 71%

[LUconn]

Bill Belichick went 36–44 with the Browns. There are probably similar cbb examples of the same thing that I can't think of off the top of my head. A coach is not always the reason for losing but he will always take the consequences for it.

[LUconn]

great, now I've got rooster reading my mind while I'm typing.

[Maximus]

Im not too excited with Layer's record either, but I keep thinking of this example!

Bill Bellachick

With Cleveland 36-44 45%
With New England 102-42 71%

yeah while cheating!


18-1* The best day of my life.

[Rooster Cogburn]

great, now I've got rooster reading my mind while I'm typing.

2 minutes ahead!

[Ed Dantes]

The truth sometimes is unpleasant. 31-71 is not the record of someone who knows how to build a team. If Layer is such a great guy, fine, make him an assistant.

I think you'd be insane not to look at that record but I think you wouldn't do it justice if you just simply looked at it and took it for face value. Save for TCU who was in the league one year while Layer was the head coach, every team in that conference made at least one trip to the NCAA Tournament. That conference can is sometimes in the Top 5 in RPI. This year it was 7th (whereas we were 25th). The record is bad, very bad, and I'll admit it makes me somewhat skeptical. I also know that the Big South isn't the Mountain West and it's a much easier league to win than the Mountain West, especially if you play a big man's game like Layer likes to play. I'll admit I was on the Cline bandwagon. In my opinion, I was hoping for Cline, Layer, Soucie, in that order. I'll settle for #2.

+1

Seriously, stop with the +1. Get an original thought before making a post.

I want to see Liberty build a program. In the two years before Layer arrived, they won 19 and 18 games. After that, 15, then 12. Then they won the conference tournament, to which you say 'Let's build on that!', but Layer didn't. 13 wins the next season, 11 after that... then two mediocre seasons before CSU wised up and showed him the door.

Pitiful, pitiful selection by Barber. Even worse that the fanboys are celebrating this.

[Maximus]

I think you'd be insane not to look at that record but I think you wouldn't do it justice if you just simply looked at it and took it for face value. Save for TCU who was in the league one year while Layer was the head coach, every team in that conference made at least one trip to the NCAA Tournament. That conference can is sometimes in the Top 5 in RPI. This year it was 7th (whereas we were 25th). The record is bad, very bad, and I'll admit it makes me somewhat skeptical. I also know that the Big South isn't the Mountain West and it's a much easier league to win than the Mountain West, especially if you play a big man's game like Layer likes to play. I'll admit I was on the Cline bandwagon. In my opinion, I was hoping for Cline, Layer, Soucie, in that order. I'll settle for #2.

+1

Seriously, stop with the +1. Get an original thought before making a post.

+1


Oh how I hope you will eat your crow.

[Ed Dantes]

+1

Oh how I hope you will eat your crow.

Me too, actually. With this entire Layer situation... I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

[El Scorcho]

Seriously, stop with the +1. Get an original thought before making a post.

-1

[Rooster Cogburn]

Seriously, stop with the +1. Get an original thought before making a post.

-1

+1 yea!

[Cider Jim]

In 16 seasons as head coach, Layer was 270-193.

[rueful]

for what its worth ive been in the layer camp the whole time. Cant wait to cheer him on, and now hopefully every basketball poster we have wont picture the coach pointing at someone and screaming