[ToTheLeft]

and i dont think we need to be in the ACC.

Well there isnt much else out there. Our choices, geographically are

ACC
Big East
MAC?
CUSA?
CAA (which is way too full, and like i said we are better off waiting til it splits...)
SoCon

You forgot the A-10

Where would we play football?

[jcmanson]

Well there isnt much else out there. Our choices, geographically are

ACC
Big East
MAC?
CUSA?
CAA (which is way too full, and like i said we are better off waiting til it splits...)
SoCon

You forgot the A-10

Where would we play football?

The CAA

[Realist]

Nevermind about the Curry comments, maybe you got what you deserved. Some of you guys are truly delusional.

[FlameNForest]

Nevermind about the Curry comments, maybe you got what you deserved. Some of you guys are truly delusional.

Why, because many don't feel the Big South is the best conference in the land?

Have you noticed where the new teams come from that enter into the Big South? It's not from other DI conferences. The Big South is a low end stepping stone conference that teams making the transition from DII or NAIA pursue. I wouldn't take it so personal, it's just the facts.

[Realist]

The Big South isn't the best of conferences, but there are worse.

LU has a long way to go if you ever go into another conference, and athletics are only part of your issue.

You might have the start of an argument if any of your sports were dominant other than women's basketball.

But your bigger long term issue is whether anyone will accept LU based on what you are founded upon in the world liberal academics.

[paradox]

Since when did athletes start subscribing to the "liberal world of acedemics."


It's really all about the comptition for the athlete.

[Maximus]

Since when did athletes start subscribing to the "liberal world of acedemics."


It's really all about the comptition for the athlete.

And sex, drugs, and rock and roll

[ALAFlamesFan]

Since when did athletes start subscribing to the "liberal world of acedemics."


It's really all about the comptition for the athlete.

I believe he means that university presidents would not want to extend an invitation to a school with our world view. We might contaminate the "open-mindedness" of these pseudo-intellectuals. LOL...

Valid point, Realist.

[Hold My Own]

So people can get some perspective can someone please list out all the major schools they can think of and what conference they were in in 38 years of existence? I mean really, teams didnt get invited to play in the ACC, Big East and others over night...this is a process fellas

[ToTheLeft]

So people can get some perspective can someone please list out all the major schools they can think of and what conference they were in in 38 years of existence? I mean really, teams didnt get invited to play in the ACC, Big East and others over night...this is a process fellas

Maybe I need to make HMOGBGB as my screenname. Agreeing with you a ton lately.

Like I said, Joe-Pa has been a coach longer than LU has been a school! This stuff takes time, we are a very very young school. And do you wanna turn out to be like Marshall, and move up and up too soon and not be successful? how about like USF or UCF, or any of the other florida state system schools that moved up too fast and have experiences minor to no success?

[dompennix]

Do ya'll think its possible for Liberty to ever have a major power program such as VT, UCONN, UNC, ect., with the people leading our Athletic Department? .

Not as long as we stay in the Big South. I mean, Sasser Cups are nice and stuff, but is that really our ultimate goal?

Yeah, if we stay in the Big South nothing will happen

[vabigpoppa]

haha everyone in the big south wants out of the big south....

football should help you guys, but like someone else said falwell will be a big knock against you.

[Cider Jim]

Our conference is our Emmanuel Goldstein. We need something upon which to direct our two-minutes of hate.

A 1984 reference on FF?

[Hold My Own]

football should help you guys, but like someone else said falwell will be a big knock against you.

I dont think a controversial figure who is no longer living can be held against us. I hate even having to say that b/c it makes him sound like the school was started by a bad person instead of a pastor who simply preached from the Bible but that's neither here nor there. All I'm saying is he can no longer be an excuse.

[The Dude]

So people can get some perspective can someone please list out all the major schools they can think of and what conference they were in in 38 years of existence? I mean really, teams didnt get invited to play in the ACC, Big East and others over night...this is a process fellas

Who's talking about going straight to the ACC or Big East from the Big South? I think most are mentioning conferences like the CAA, Southern and A-10. Is that really such an unrealistic goal? I mean a team like Elon came into the Big South well after we did and then moved on to the Southern Conference after a few short years. Good move on their part, imo.

[The Dude]

So people can get some perspective can someone please list out all the major schools they can think of and what conference they were in in 38 years of existence? I mean really, teams didnt get invited to play in the ACC, Big East and others over night...this is a process fellas

Maybe I need to make HMOGBGB as my screenname. Agreeing with you a ton lately.

Like I said, Joe-Pa has been a coach longer than LU has been a school! This stuff takes time, we are a very very young school. And do you wanna turn out to be like Marshall, and move up and up too soon and not be successful? how about like USF or UCF, or any of the other florida state system schools that moved up too fast and have experiences minor to no success?

Again, most are talking about moving into a good FCS conference, not going immediately to a FBS conference like Marshall, USF and UCF. I think it'll be years, as in decades, before we make that move. Some think we couldn't even compete in the CAA, so how could we be expected to go straight to a FCS conference like say, the MAC, straight out of the Big South? But that seems to be the target. IMO, I think we should try to move up in the FBS and become successful there first.

[Keydetbaseball36]

Do ya'll think its possible for Liberty to ever have a major power program such as VT, UCONN, UNC, ect., with the people leading our Athletic Department? What i mean by this is, which maybe this should be one the Football page, but we can never hold great coaches for long... example the assistant football coaches that left, heck yea, good for them that they are moving up to big and better things, but will we ever be those bigger or better things...

All i'm saying is Rocco is going to be getting so bigger offers than Army in the future... same with McKay... Do ya'll think that they love LU enough to stay and build are programs to something greater than it is? I'm not a hater of either coach but do ya'll think that if they get a big enough offer that they'll stay?

Sorry i'm UNC Basketball fan for the reason, Roy Williams is taking a pay cut for UNC when he could go to any other college and make an incredible team...

McKay would be the one to worry me. I mean he is averaging just over 2 years at each coaching stint and is in his early 40's. He just lost 3 of his starting 5 and 4 of his 8 minutes guys to along with another really young team next year. Rocco is pretty stable with the team he has now I think and will stay to enjoy it for awhile (granted a big time D1 program would be tough to pass on for any FCS coach).

[jcmanson]

Do ya'll think its possible for Liberty to ever have a major power program such as VT, UCONN, UNC, ect., with the people leading our Athletic Department? What i mean by this is, which maybe this should be one the Football page, but we can never hold great coaches for long... example the assistant football coaches that left, heck yea, good for them that they are moving up to big and better things, but will we ever be those bigger or better things...

All i'm saying is Rocco is going to be getting so bigger offers than Army in the future... same with McKay... Do ya'll think that they love LU enough to stay and build are programs to something greater than it is? I'm not a hater of either coach but do ya'll think that if they get a big enough offer that they'll stay?

Sorry i'm UNC Basketball fan for the reason, Roy Williams is taking a pay cut for UNC when he could go to any other college and make an incredible team...

McKay would be the one to worry me. I mean he is averaging just over 2 years at each coaching stint and is in his early 40's. He just lost 3 of his starting 5 and 4 of his 8 minutes guys to along with another really young team next year. Rocco is pretty stable with the team he has now I think and will stay to enjoy it for awhile (granted a big time D1 program would be tough to pass on for any FCS coach).

Of course I could be wrong, but I think McKay, if all goes well, will be here longer than DR.

[Hold My Own]

As much as he talks about the privilege of walking the same campus as Caner's, Towns', and others I think he's here to stay. His mentor growing up was one of Doc's good friends...and being at this school means a lot more to him then just a job. I was worried that he would allow doubters effect him but I learned over the past 2 days that, that he handles troubles and what others would call problems better then anyone I've ever seen.

[phoenix]

I think in stead of griping about the Big South, and trying to figure out how quickly we can bolt, maybe we should do what we all wanted Seth to do, and try to help bring the conference to a point of respectability.

Maybe we need to get all the ADs together and see if we can find someone to replace KK (the Lord Voldemorte of college sports, it seems). Maybe we all need to start playing stronger OOC schedules and winning. And THEN, if an invitation is offered, we could leave having done what we could do for the Big South -- the conference that accepted us when the others wouldn't (sound familiar?).

I'm just saying ...

[g-webb1994]

LU in the CAA seems like the most likely scenario.

Our former home, the A-Sun, is hanging by a thread. They have three schools that are still in transition (Kennesaw, USC-Upstate, Florida Gulf Coast). Belmont and Lipscomb are seriously considering moving to the OVC.

This is the time that a commissioner with some mettle, or just plain common sense, would be working the telephone with the admins at ETSU and Campbell. Two schools that would be left out in the cold if BU and Lipscomb bolt to the OVC. Both schools would be incredible additions to the BSC, especially if ETSU brings back football and if Campbell moved up from non-scholly football.

Of course, there was talk a few years back that some of the more stronger private schools, like Furman, Wofford, JMU, W&M, Elon, etc. forming a conference. That would open up major spots in the SoCon and CAA, and could cause the BSC to implode.

I don't see LU, at least in the next 25-30 years, going any further than CAA level, maybe outside shot at A-10. Trying to move up to a major level SEC/ACC, etc. would cause the institution to ignore the Christian foundation it was built on, them big boys don't play like it is a horseshoe match after fifth-Sunday dinner on the grounds, they chew you up and spit you out, something I can't see LU doing. Just my .02.

[Hold My Own]

I've been thinking about this for a few days now...and here are my thoughts...


We now have an AD that takes great pride in what he does. He takes pride int he amount of changes that have taken place over the past few years in atmosphere and just the over all look. He wants to leave his mark on our school just like any other coach wants to leave theirs through their program.

What better way to leave your mark on a program then by actually make what pretty much every school in the BSC wishes for happen and find us a new home?


JB takes pride in what he does...and that's a great thing....to me that would be the ultimate way to leave your mark

[SuperJon]

Some of you people just don't get it. I'm sorry to play the "I know more than you" card but it's the truth. Listen to the people on here who have been around this thing longer than you and have heard all of this stuff countless times before.

Right now, there is nowhere to go. Let me say that again:

THERE

IS

NOWHERE

TO

GO

We're in the Big South. We are who we are. As Scorcho said, there are no pretty girls waiting for us to ask them to the dance. We have our girl, we might as well make the best of her.

In 1971, ECU was still in the SoCon. So was Richmond. As was William & Mary.

Schools like West Virginia (1968) and VT (1965) were in the Southern Conference not too many years before we started our school completely.

In 38 years, we have gone from not existing to the Big South. In those same years, schools that have been around for decades longer have moved up from the SoCon to the ACC and Big East. This stuff takes time. You can't build something overnight. Building a program, and moving up in the ladder of respect, takes decades, not recruiting classes. If and when a better opportunity comes along you better believe we will take it. However, there simply isn't an opportunity right now. There is nowhere to go. It's closing time at the bar, all the pretty girls have already found someone, and we're stuck going home alone or going home with the ugly chick in the corner. At least the ugly chick could lead to something promising. Going home alone leads to nothing.

[Hold My Own]

Of course there is no where to go right now...I think that's quite obvious or we'd already be there. That still will not keep JB from actively seeking possibilities of conferences that its obvious that movement could take place soon. If we wait for a spot to be open and then introduce ourselves then you simply waited to long b/c others have already been stating their case as to why they would be a good fit.

Same as recruiting...these players dont just walk up to us...we actively seek them and then when their time comes they come to us


Also by no means am I talking a major conference I simply mean a different conference...I think anyone on here would consider it a win if we were to switch conferences even if it's just a little bit better then ours...simply b/c you KNOW its gotta be run better

[SuperJon]

I agree completely and I'm not saying that's not going on. I'm just explaining to people that we are where we are right now because we have nowhere else to go. Half the people complaining in this thread haven't taken the time to read the other threads where a month ago we were talking about this same stuff. They don't look at the other forums on here and see that, oh, here's a thread already talking about this same exact stuff started two weeks ago.