[makarov97]

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[thepostman]

the more I think about this issue the more I think that the best compromise to this would be to allow professors with a concealed weapon permit to carry on campus, but not students. I know that the state has tough guidelines in place for those student who do have a permit, but I just do not believe students have any business carrying a gun on campus. But if there are professors that would like to, and have a permit, I believe that would be the best compromise in this situation.

Just my 2 cents...I am sure the pro guns crowd will be all out against me...but I believe this is a solid compromise with both sides of this issue giving in a bit...

[flameshaw]

I have a CC permit and carry often (Makarov, picked up my second Bulgarian yesterday). However, I can see where the Board would have some concerns about allowing CC on campus.

I would be all for faculty and staff being able to carry and for students that do not live on campus as well. Having handguns in the dorms, where they are theoretically available to those without carry permits, etc. would be hard for me to support. Gotta remember, the first time something were to happen ie. a student commit suicide with a gun found/stolen from the dorm, someone getting shot accidentily, etc. could possibly hurt the cause more than help it.

Just my .02

[El Scorcho]

My understanding is that no decision at all was made.

That's the same thing I was told. The N&A really did a poor job of getting the facts across in that story.

[mrmacphisto]

so after many debates on here about WaWa vs Sheetz and my wife telling me WaWa was not better then Sheetz, we finally stopped at a WaWa in PA, and I must say it is way better then sheetz and I think my wife is dead wrong on this....don't tell her that though...haha

You are CORRECT, SIR!

[matshark]

I am all for concealed carry at LU.

Making a distinction based on faculty/staff vs. student is to discriminate based on age or class status. There are students that serve faithfully in the U.S. military and I dare say are much better with firearms than many staff members. Is a properly trained faculty or staff member better than a properly trained student? I dare say not.

First, citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia have a right to concealed carry. Not allowing them to do so in campus by extension disarms them of their implied right to protect their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. (let's not forget that the right to have something, also implies the right to protect it)

Further, LUPD is under no obligation to actually PROTECT students from violence at LU. Several court decisions back this up:

"...A government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." - Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981).

"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public" - Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989).

I find it ironic that the police department is responsible for disarming law abiding citizens upon entering the campus, but is then NOT RESPONSIBLE for protecting while they are there.

"What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her" - Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).

The plain and simple fact is that upon denying students and faculty the means to defend themselves in an environment which has been known to present itself to acts of mass violence (i.e. university classrooms), they are then not required to actually protect the people they have just disarmed. It's unconscionable!

[matshark]

I have a CC permit and carry often (Makarov, picked up my second Bulgarian yesterday). However, I can see where the Board would have some concerns about allowing CC on campus.

I would be all for faculty and staff being able to carry and for students that do not live on campus as well. Having handguns in the dorms, where they are theoretically available to those without carry permits, etc. would be hard for me to support. Gotta remember, the first time something were to happen ie. a student commit suicide with a gun found/stolen from the dorm, someone getting shot accidentily, etc. could possibly hurt the cause more than help it.

Just my .02

agreed. i am ok with students living on campus not being allowed to concealed carry on campus. allowing off campus students to concealed carry on campus does not infringe on their right to protect themselves through the 2nd amendment.

[PAmedic]

BUMP for HoMO

[Purple Haize]

BUMP for HoMO

Phrasing!

[ATrain]

http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2011/n ... r-1463719/

I think the new policy is definitely appropriate.

[Hold My Own]

BUMP for HoMO

A. You didnt help me by bumping this, you only caused me to have to copy and paste what I wrote in the other thread

B. Dont get your hopes up about carrying on campus...you would have to blow a 0.00 in order to abide by our rules



Catchy title huh??? I didnt feel like looking up the older thread about this...feel free to merge if you'd like Sly

So, Chancellor had a great announcement today that we can have concealed weapons. I'm not going to retype my FB thoughts so I'll just post the summary here (someone made a comment about 'now Psychos can have guns':

The Psychos already have guns....now us law abiding citizens (in this case rule abiding) have the opportunity as well...but legally. I've had my concealed for a few years now, but have stopped carrying it in my briefcase to abide by the rules.

Even when I did carry I never had the temptation to reach for my concealed weapon...even when I get heated with some of the students when they think they have the right to cross the street anywhere and right infront of cars! Now if I was a "crazy person, or psycho" and full of rage and someone made me upset, I'd go and find one and come back if I didnt already have it on me. If they do, the innocent bystanders will not have the same luxury to ask them to 'hold on' with whatever they are about to do so they can go get a gun and come back to save the day.

[ALAFlamesFan]

Very sorry to see this happen. I am praying we don't regret it. When I was in school there were plenty of students who could have qualified for a permit but who were not mature enough to handle one. My prediction: 1st homicide before the end of the school year. Probably some sheltered kid sent to LU by his parents who gets rejected by a girl and doesn't want anyone else to have her. Hope I am wrong. This is an absolute nightmare for LU PD.

[ATrain]

Very sorry to see this happen. I am praying we don't regret it. When I was in school there were plenty of students who could have qualified for a permit but who were not mature enough to handle one. My prediction: 1st homicide before the end of the school year. Probably some sheltered kid sent to LU by his parents who gets rejected by a girl and doesn't want anyone else to have her. Hope I am wrong. This is an absolute nightmare for LU PD.

I also pray we don't regret it, but I am not sorry to see this happen. Several colleges (including all public colleges in Utah, Colorado State and Blue Ridge CC) already allow it, and while we have greater than our fair share of sheltered kids, I'm certain these other campuses probably have a few students similar to the ones you're thinking of.

[thepostman]

I didn't read the article but they aren't allowing students to store them in dorms are they? That is the only real problem I would find other than that it seems fine

[ALUmnus]

Probably some sheltered kid sent to LU by his parents who gets rejected by a girl and doesn't want anyone else to have her.

This gets a big eyeroll, just for the scenerio.

Also, I don't think the current or previous rules would prevent this, and I don't think the new rule will enable it.

[LUconn]

My prediction: 1st homicide before the end of the school year.

I know that you do not actually believe this.

[ATrain]

I didn't read the article but they aren't allowing students to store them in dorms are they? That is the only real problem I would find other than that it seems fine

No, students are only allowed to store them in their cars or w/ LUPD and only carry them outside campus buildings.

[jbock13]

Which leads me to another question, what good is carrying a concealed weapon if it has to stay in your car? Kinda really stupid.

See what happens when democrats get guns? They start shooting each other, and then we all suffer (see any major city in America for proof).

[jbock13]

Thanks BYD. That is it a step in the right direction.

[flamehunter]

Which leads me to another question, what good is carrying a concealed weapon if it has to stay in your car? Kinda really stupid.

Well, it's a step in the right direction. There are numerous cases of workplace shootings broken up by someone who went to their car and got their gun. My understanding is that prof's will be able to carry in the classroom. So that's good.

That is good to know. If any Quiz Bowl matches ever get out of hand, Cider will be able to restore order in no time.

[PAmedic]

next we need a 100m range on campus and competition shooting.

you know- for the right price... I may be available to run it.

[Purple Haize]

Which leads me to another question, what good is carrying a concealed weapon if it has to stay in your car? Kinda really stupid.

Well, it's a step in the right direction. There are numerous cases of workplace shootings broken up by someone who went to their car and got their gun. My understanding is that prof's will be able to carry in the classroom. So that's good.

You mean that was allowed around say 2000? Oops.

[matshark]

My prediction: 1st homicide before the end of the school year. Probably some sheltered kid sent to UVA by his parents who gets rejected by a girl and doesn't want anyone else to have her. Hope I am wrong. This is an absolute nightmare for LU PD.

Fixed that for ya.

[matshark]

3) What makes a 21 year old Liberty student less responsible with a gun than a 21 year old with no college education?

Let's go one further... if ALAFlamesFan is one of those that celebrates military appreciation day and thanks military personnel for what they do - many of whom are in college, what does he think they defend the country with... feather pillows? The military has 18 year olds driving tanks (many without college educations), but somehow 21 year olds aren't responsible enough to carry guns concealed safely? Really?!

[Cider Jim]

My prediction: 1st homicide before the end of the school year. Probably some sheltered kid sent to VATech by his parents who gets rejected by a girl and doesn't want anyone else to have her. Hope I am wrong.

FTFY