[LUMU11]

I appreciate that HMO. An interesting issue we have on our hands. Its an intriguing discussion bc the issues it brings up on both sides of the ball.

[jinxy]

There are a select number of posters on there who are probably sitting in their parents basement at age 35 that hate Liberty and what is about. They dont care what the article is about, even it Liberty was involved in saving someones life or anything productive. These people hate Liberty and have hardened there hearts just like Pharoh did. When you try to point out their irrationality they spout off on some other topic that is absurd and has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

-Just go back and read any article that is related to Liberty in the past year and you will see the same 5-8 individuals that get away with saying some of the most hate filled things I have ever heard. These people should be held accountable for their ignorant postings. If you dont think things are that bad, seriously go back and search archives for artlices in the past couple years.

-As far as huritng LU athletics, I think most newspapers are in far worse shape that Liberty is at this point in time. Sure the coverage is nice, but we need our name outside just the area for recruiting. Local guys know liberty and don't read the newspaper anyway. You gain more attention by being competitive and winning. That being said we are doing both of this in all the major sports.

[olldflame]

Here is the rest of the story for anyone interested. I have been receiving complaints from a number of students and faculty over the last few months about the irresponsible comments that the News and Advance allows to be posted anonymously on its website. Many of these comments were forwarded to me and I agree that they are out of line. For example, one reader wrote earlier this month that "It is OK to attack Christians (and other believers) simply because they are a danger to the world. Their beliefs have to be treated as viruses and eradicated." This was one of the kinder comments actually and the comments often have nothing to do with the subject matter of the the pertinent article. A small group of LU political enemies seems to be using this free forum to bash LU students, their religious beliefs and even their character without any factual basis. We complained to the newspaper editors several times. Even after all the complaints, the News Advance allowed a reader to post a comment this past week about LU's women that was very similar to the comment that Don Imus made not so long ago about the Rutgers women's basketball team. Actually, it was worse in some ways. We decided to stop cooperating with the newspaper in its coverage of LU and the newspaper deleted the comment. We appreciate their action and regret that we had to take such drastic measures. We will be discussing the matter with the newspaper this week and hope to resolve it quickly. We do not want the newspaper to delete all posts that are negative to LU but we do think there are some boundaries and, while we have no right to tell the News Advance what to post on their website, we also do not have to assist the News Advance in its coverage of LU. We appreciate the relationship that LU has enjoyed with the LNA, especially over the last four or five years, but there are plenty of other news outlets that LU can use to keep the public informed about LU especially in this age of the internet. Regarding the comment that LU administration doesn't understand or care about athletics, I can only say that the eight figure amount we invested in athletics last year speaks for itself. ODU has a great basketball team. I hope Jesse heals soon.

The President of LU posts here?!?

Yes, he does occasionally, and the newspaper beat writer Chris Lang is a regular here, and although he maintains a certain professional distance, in many ways is "one of the guys" on FF.

[grm]

Well, well. A topic where all Flames Fans can come together in unity behind our Chancellor!
And I'll bet Chris is on board with us too!!!

Go Flames.

[LUMU11]

Jinxy, I think you may be right. I said earlier we need the exposure. I felt that way solely bc I feel that Lang does a very good job covering all of our sports and that is the primary paper that covers us all the time. But LU is most likely in a better situation than the paper. Any of us who read the NA know that the ppl who post on there are almost always anti-liberty and they sit behind their computers and hide anonymously to do show their vindicative nature toward the school. Which is why at first I passed the situation off as, i believe i said "kindergarten", bc I read that stuff all the time and just laugh and say wow these ppl need to find something better to worry about. Not to mention a story in the NA about the new LU Police Chief doesn't really peek my interest so I didn't even read the story. It was shocking to me that our ppl would take such a hard stance on that. I still don't think some ppl realize how the situation could affect athletics if it continues to be an issue, especially with that being the only local paper, but having seeing what SJ posted and what some others are saying that they saw and then what JLF posted I can see why they jumped the gun there. I agree with another poster who said something like couldn't RM had a statement or something or some kind of preparation to handle the issue. I think that would have helped. But then again i'm not really a PR person so I don't know how LU's PR ppl or the athletics PR ppl could/should have handled that. I find it interesting to see others weigh in on the situation that seem to be in the know I am not close to the situation at all and was not aware of it until I read the article online this morning. Hence me sorta stickin' my foot in my mouth, but hey it happens sometimes I guess. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and what ends up coming of this.

[LUMU11]

Also, I want to go back to the money figure that was getting thrown around. I know we spend some money on athletics just based on the quality of coaches at LU. It keeps money to hire and then keep those coaches. And especially with all the facility upgrades that have gone on the past few years. Ppl that were involved with LU way before me and told me what it was like just completely shocks me to what I see now. So commitment, as far as financially, was something I would never question. I know we have to be at the top of the BSC as far what LU is spending to operate just based on the facilities we have and the things we do, plus our size as a school and attendance. I know 13 mill is a low figure, I mean it costs more than that to build one facility. Does anybody have legitimate estimates on we're were at? I know we obviously don't spend what a Big 12, Big Ten, SEC spends, but I would be willing to bet that LU spends a lot more than ppl believes they do.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

i dount anyone answers that. Some stupid freshmen might see it and then we go on facebook and see a new popular group "LU needs to stop spending money on athletics and lower tuition"

[LUMU11]

haha, great response, love the freshmen reference after all the trouble we've had with students starting stuff. Obviously no one knows for sure, but I figured it'd be interesting to see what everyone thinks it takes LU to run it, since like 13 is a number that got thrown and multiple ppl have already said that's low. Like you said I doubt anyone who actually "knows" would share, but i'm interested in opinions.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

somewhere between $1 and $100,000,000

[flamesfilmguy]

Also, I want to go back to the money figure that was getting thrown around. I know we spend some money on athletics just based on the quality of coaches at LU. It keeps money to hire and then keep those coaches. And especially with all the facility upgrades that have gone on the past few years. Ppl that were involved with LU way before me and told me what it was like just completely shocks me to what I see now. So commitment, as far as financially, was something I would never question. I know we have to be at the top of the BSC as far what LU is spending to operate just based on the facilities we have and the things we do, plus our size as a school and attendance. I know 13 mill is a low figure, I mean it costs more than that to build one facility. Does anybody have legitimate estimates on we're were at? I know we obviously don't spend what a Big 12, Big Ten, SEC spends, but I would be willing to bet that LU spends a lot more than ppl believes they do.

we spend A LARGE SUM OF MONEY. That answer your ?

[LUMU11]

that was my guess, my personal guess was a "large chunk of cash"

[Cider Jim]

While we have the attention of the "important people on here, and we are talking about the old gym, does anyone remember my dunk vs ETSU?

SCAR, you really do need to put the UTube link in your signature!

[Hold My Own]

I know 13 mill is a low figure, I mean it costs more than that to build one facility. Does anybody have legitimate estimates on we're were at?

I'm still unsure as to why you or any student needs to know. Post your current salary, your fathers salary, tax bracket and name and then I'm joining your cause.

Seriously though, I'm still in the dark as to how it can lead to anything good. Your respect for the school shouldnt change from JLF's "eight figures" to the exact number. Either way you should respect the amount. If athletics budget is given are we getting the budgets of other projects such as the monogram and others? No and we shouldnt...it's not our business.



Sorry for the rant, but I just get nervous when talking about stuff like this, b/c those numbers represent people and departments.

[SuperJon]

I'm still unsure as to why you or any student needs to know.

You've said that twice. Why are you assuming this guy is a student?

[flamesfilmguy]

Sorry for the rant, but I just get nervous when talking about stuff like this, b/c those numbers represent people and departments.

QFT It really doesn't matter exactly how much. The people higher up know and seem to be doing a good job of handling all of this. Thats why they are the higher ups and we are the students.

[Hold My Own]

I'm still unsure as to why you or any student needs to know.

You've said that twice. Why are you assuming this guy is a student?

I know he is not a student now...thats why I said "I'm still unsure why YOU or any student" not "any OTHER student"



But if he's a donor wanting to know where his money is going then I dont think FF is the best avenue

[SuperJon]

I was just asking. I assumed the guy was an alum who played something here back in the day.

[JDUB]

it doesn't matter what the number is or what the number includes, the point was that the administration cares and I think we can all agree that that has been conveyed. lets move on to something more important like... VMI

[thepostman]

I can see Liberty's side...but I still do not see how refusing to talk to the paper helps anything. I hope things get worked out...and I do agree things need to be filtered on these newspaper sites...but refusing to talk to the paper after a basketball game? I just don't know if that is the right way to go...

but I do trust and respect the administration and just hope it all gets worked out soon...

You obviously do not understand business. When you boycott a company it hits them where it hurts... in their wallet. The way that helps is it basically forces them to listen to our side and make necessary changes in order to keep our business, which is vital to them staying afloat. If they don't have anything to write about LU, they lose a bunch of stories and start writing about a bunch of stupid stuff, which will make people quit buying the paper cause they don't want to read stupid crap. So it hits their wallet mulitple ways

no i do understand that part of it, which is why I can see Liberty's side...Junior understands where I'm coming from, and thats all that matters

[makarov97]

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[LUMU11]

Wow, ok, that was seriously an innocent question. As stated, I was just curious as to whether anyone had an opinion on what kind of money THEY THOUGHT it took us to run a solid athletic program, which with our success in basketball this year, WBB every year, baseball, track and field, etc. we seem to have. Definitely wasn't inquiring for the chancellor or the AD to get on here and say this is how much we spend, I really don't care how much we spend as long as we spend responsibly and give the programs a chance to be successful. The sole intention was to see if anyone had an OPINION on what kind of money it took for us to operate the way we do. Sorry, it upset you HMO. And for your information I am nor a student or a donor, just a fan who believes in the school and its values, who also happens to love sports. Believe me if I was a donor and I was donating money I wouldn't need FF to try and figure out where my money was going. Many times there are monetary figures that come out when school's have a project going on such as new facility, renovation, budget upgrade, etc. So many times numbers are public knowledge. Is it the public's right to know maybe yes, maybe no, not for me to decide. So please don't act like I asked a horrible, horrible question. It was just a question, meant to generate some thought and opinion. I'd post all that just to appease you, but apparently you know me already so I guess you know some of that info

[Hold My Own]

I know you meant no harm and nor did I. This thread is a little different then water cooler talk though b/c those who obviously know the answers are present, that's all

[LUMU11]

I understand that. I wanted to get away from the NA topic, bc if it got to the point JJ needed to get on and share the story so we all were informed then it was a pretty bad situation. I just got curious on the money thing and wondered if anyone had an opinion. I stand by my opinion from earlier, even tho I put my foot in my mouth a little bit by not explaining my stance completely. That was a question that I would have for any school. The president is always involved in athletics, but many times how much do they know about athletics? That was my only point earlier sometimes I feel like in the school system the way its set up and not just here but everywhere the decision made is not the best for an athletic program, but alas again as I said it's not always about athletics. I was just trying to start some water cooler talk since everybody seemed to be on edge. And for the record, despite my disagreements with administration sometimes I do believe that the ppl in charge are doing a good job with whatever it is we're working with. They must be, otherwise we wouldn't be having the success we're having, which is something I did mention. Phew, I think it's time to get ready for VMI and take that 2nd spot!

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

this thread makes me thinkg of Knucklehead

[givemethemic]

I am sure Lang is going to stay away from this thread...I fully understand both sides and don't see why some type of compromise can't be made..... It would have been nice for Lang to have gotten a heads up instead of being told when he got to the game that o btw "none of our players or coaches will be giving you any quotes today" I think we all agree that Lang has helped the exposure of LU athletics and I am not saying that just because he is a friend but a courtesy heads up would have been nice... Hopefully it will get settled by Tuesday night, if not you will probably be seeing alot of quotes from the Holmes brothers...

One quick thought on the game... I really hope that Sanders can return to the lineup soon if not its gonna be a tough road to hoe!