Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.

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By SuperJon
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#23266
Libertine wrote:
SuperJon wrote:But how many of those conferences like Jerry?
By the time we go I-A, it'll be Jerry Jr.

Was that a little cold? I think I just gave myself frostbite.
We'll still be known as Jerry Falwell U.
By 4everfsu
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#23268
I rather be known as Jerry Falwell U then Oral Roberts U :D
By SuperJon
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#23269
I'm just making a statement.
By ralph
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ATrain wrote:Libertine...UCF went to C-USA...the Big East took USF. and FYI-UNF just stepped up its entire athletic program and joined the ASUN
UCF was a I-AA playoff team, USF had one losing season (5-6) in I-AA which included a one point loss to Georgia Southern in '97, and does UNF even sponsor football? ... big difference is the point
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By PAmedic
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LUconn wrote:And since this isn't a European soccer league I think that's short sighted.
ROFLMAO

I'm sorry I wasn't around yesterday when this was fresh! gotta remember that one

and, for the record- I agree w/ LUconn.

still luv ya, SJ
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By bigsmooth
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i have always wanted to win at the I-AA level and most here know that, but i can understand making the move. FIU was not that successful before they jumped up, and i believe FAU, made one playoff appearance. troy was successful at the I-AA level though. as as far as funding LU and appy are way different state money vs. private funds as stated. that should answer that question. im sure our administration is doing their homework, and if it is not feasible, then they wont do it.
By givemethemic
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#23329
I agree with you smoothie... Our new AD Jeff Barber is a very, very smart man and is doing all the right things to make sure that we are as succesful as we can be right now... I am more than sure that he is doing his homework
By Stevev
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Personally I would rather see LU compete every year for the playoffs than to go 1A right now and get hammered every week. I don't want to see LU be the next Buffalo or Louisiana Monroe. We have to take steps to enable us to have a legitimate shot of playoff contention such as scheduling and getting into a conference that gets an auto berth.
By vastrightwinger
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FAU was able to make the jump after only a few seasons in existance for a couple of key factors. First, their coach is Howard Schnellenberger, He is the man who built the program at U. of Miami in the 80's when they won the first of their National Titles. He is a very smart man with a TON of connections. The second which is partially tied in is FAU has a ton of Alumni who are very excited to have Football and Schnellenberger. He does a great Job of communicating with the fans and Alumni which then are inclined to give money. FAU is in the process of Building a beautiful new stadium that is almost completely privatly funded. When you have happy and successful alumni, things get done. Both of my parents are FAU alum and go to games all the time. FIU can blame their ability to make the jump on FAU. Those 2 schools, only being 60 miles apart have developed a massive local rivalry. When the Sun-Belt was looking to expand they wanted FAU and saw $$$ in taking FIU since they pack their Stadium everytime they play. Neither of these teams are going to be knocking down any big teams anytime soon but they are ceratinly heading in the right direction. Of course, they are both state schools which helps alot too.
By Stevev
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I would think that FIU and FAU being in the "football happy" state of Florida and rapidly expanding enrollments helped the situation. The same reason why UCF and USF made the jump.
By 4everfsu
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Being Tampa born and raised, Florida is a football state from a college and professional standpoint. High school is different, most games Friday night in Hillsborough county are not well attended. I guess good weather and other things to do is a reason why
By vastrightwinger
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I agree, here in S. Florida (Ft Lauderdale) our high school football games attract maybe 1000-2000. A lot of that has to do with the fact that Football season coincides with Hurricane season, our Very Wet season (florida has several "wet seasons") and of course, our hottest months of the year. Not many people want to go to a high school football game when it is 95 degrees with 90% humidity. You start sweating the moment you walk outside.
By Chris Lang
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I covered that FAU playoff team when they played Northern Arizona in the quarterfinals. The Owls flat embarrassed NAU, led 41-3 in the third before the Jacks made it close. I figured they'd steamroll to the finals, but Colgate crushed FAU on its home field. Wacky stuff.

Schnellenberger was a good guy, but he just wouldn't shut up. I was stringing for a paper in Florida and the deadline was really tight, since the game started at 6 p.m. Mountain time. Afterward, Howard talked for a good 15 minutes before any of us could get a question in.
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By Purple Haize
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SMOOTH - You know if you want to take the next career step, there is a drug test? Do you believe what you said? "If it doesn't make sense they won't do it?" When has that EVER stopped the good reverend?? As for FAU, there are two points that should be pointed out. The first has already been discussed, the talent pool in FL is much larger then VA, so being able to attract quality D1a talent is easier and lest expensive. Secondly, and most importantly (in my mind) the football push at FAU almost bankrupted the University. Several additional projects had to postponed and/or cancelled. There was a HUGE budget crunch that is still being felt today. In fact if memory serves the prez and AD were replaced. The booming enrollment, even more so then LU, helped some, but the financial burden was/is almost more then they can bear. The same holds true for the home of the Golden Knights, another one of A.LW.'s projects.
By A.G.
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Oh Grand Poobah of all that is wise in Sport Management, can you please explain to the masses how trying to make the leap to I-A could put the school back to where it was in the 90's. Heck, we were a LOUSY I-AA team last year and the department had a reported shortfall of 7.4 MILLION dollars. I think "Falwell's Folly" would DOOM what he has worked so hard to build up.
By Chris Lang
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It should be noted, too, that FAU has to play four money games a year just to keep the athletic department in the black. That generally means NO non-conference home games.
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By Purple Haize
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A.G. wrote:Oh Grand Poobah of all that is wise in Sport Management, can you please explain to the masses how trying to make the leap to I-A could put the school back to where it was in the 90's. Heck, we were a LOUSY I-AA team last year and the department had a reported shortfall of 7.4 MILLION dollars. I think "Falwell's Folly" would DOOM what he has worked so hard to build up.
I see the wisdom of your growth oh youngling (even though I have NO IDEA who lies behind the mask) Perhaps one day you too will be wise enough to bare your chest and don the RED CAPE>>>
But Chris also makes a great point. Think of it this way: Instead of the two "money" games we played under the Karcher era (and one of the reasons of his demise) we would play 4. So not just UCONN, Cent FL but throw in Marshall and UNC and we start every year 0-4 plus get no gate revenue, no "momentum", no fan base, no local media attention other then a headline "BOTTOM LINE SHORED UP, NOW ABOUT THE O and D LINE..........." Now if we are not in a conference we would have the "Academies" and the stray opponent from affiliated schools who will want to play 2-1 home and home. (We would have the 1) If we WERE in a conference that leaves MAYBE 2 games free, one of which would be a "money game" for the opposing school, St. Agnus of Disbelief anyone?, not the type of school that will rally the troops to our newly expanded stadium.
Am I being negative, not at all. What is wrong with building a POWERHOUSE 1AA program? In the words of the Great Tuna "Ya are who ya are"
By SuperJon
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Oh ye great god of Sport Management, how I long for the days of you being around. I am a young one and not one of the lucky. I agree 100% though.
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By Purple Haize
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SuperJon wrote:Oh ye great god of Sport Management, how I long for the days of you being around. I am a young one and not one of the lucky. I agree 100% though.
Well the world needs FACS majors too!!!! :D The road was tougher then my young supplicant. The journey was an arduos trek, rivaled only by Bunyan's Christian, with Career Development Projects, Olympic Projects, Building and Design until you reached the limits of your own mortality and had to face the Great Gibson (as he likes to be called!! Love ya dog!) and the nefarious SPORT MARKETING PROJECT where many a promising pupil found the light and became a "General Studies" major. Heck anymore projects we would have been one of the 5 burroughs of NEW YORK!!!
By SuperJon
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Ok, I'll take the guidance without the projects.
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By PeterParker
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I like the idea of a few I-AA Football National Championship Banners hanging in a new fortress of a stadium would be great over the next 5-10 years. Also, bring in some of the Navy, Army, Air Force, BYU's of the I-A world for a game or two a year as well as establishing a real traditional rivalry with the likes of a JMU, William & Mary, Richmond. I agree, build a powerhouse I-AA presence, and bring in a couple of marquee match ups for the fans of central Virginia.
By LU Facility Crew
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Some general points in addition to other arguments...

First, there cannot be any serious aspirations to jump to I-A without a long run of success at the I-AA level. To be sure other schools have made the move much sooner; however, to note a couple who have been mentioned, FAU had Schnellenberger and USF had Lee Roy Selmon leading the way (we won't discuss resources). Without this success, what existing I-A conference would take Liberty University? We can already count out the ACC and SEC; so , with membership in any other existing conference we can project the annual travel budget alone to approach $2M-$3M for all current sports. Also, while some schools are experiencing rapid growth, institutional expenses are keeping pace. While there are potentially more dollars to access through student fees and charging students for admission, capital costs make gains associated with enrollment negligible for the purposes of comparison. Of course, LU could go it alone and be an independent; however, I believe that we are all sophisticated enough to know that with revenue sharing and other membership benefits, it would be even beyond Jerry, Jerry Jr., or even Terry to make that move (I hope).

Second, while the discussion re. LU's jump to I-A makes good discussion board fodder, the holisitc relevance of such a move cannot be understated. WHO really wants to go I-A, and are they willing to make the sacrifices necessary to do it? After my days in the LUAD, I worked in a I-A mid-major dept. Everyday was a struggle, and it is a struggle that affects the entire campus. We were borrowing money from the bookstore to pay the bills. Eighty-cents of every dollar we raised went toward scholarship costs until the state legislature raised our tuition by 15%, which immediately put us $1M behind on our scholarship costs for the next year. IF LU was to seriously entertain jumping, it has to come from somwhere else other than the Mansion or Hancock - and from more than the core group that has kept LU financially above water since its inception. It's great to see Flames Club donation records being broken. That is certainly a step in the right direction. But an all time dollar record of $179K in '05 will never get it done - what is that 12-15 full's and no scholly's endowed? Without the Flames Club being able to fully fund all scholarships and getting some level of endowment, a jump would be unwise. In order to do that, more people have to be involved and find LU sports relevant enough to donate regularly. Personally, I would prefer a lot of people giving a little than a few people giving a lot - that's how long-term growth and relevance is established (and it might make A.L. Williams less afraid to look at the Caller ID).

I believe that Barber is the right man for the job; however, he has huge obstacles to overcome. Many if not most of the alumni are apathetic toward LU sports. They never had to "pay" to get into games. So, for many, a financial association was never established or fostered with the Ath Dept. This has helped lead to an ethos that Barber will have a hard time breaking down. This a problem that pervades LU. From our days as students, we saw that when the going got tough, Falwell reached out to the same small number of friends to help. Very rarely were students asked to give - I concede that some eras were asked more frequently. I have found this to be the case as an alumnus. As such, we were and continue to be somewhat robbed of an opportunity to have some sense of ownership. Sure, Falwell will take your money, but there is a lack of organization to it. The Alumni Assoc has a place to enter your credit card info, but how about providing some giving levels with benefits, a nice quarterly magazine (if it is "The World's Most Exciting University", then why do we only get irregular, skimpy newsletters?), etc. (Quid pro quo - Cynical? Yes, but this is the real world...altruism only goes so far) While the Flames Club is more organized, its donor base will have to expand by a large margin.

I could go into other issues such as teaching schools being able to provide the level of institutional support to athletics that research-intensive schools can; however, I will spare the weary. Since SuperJon and Haize broached the topic of projects, I can recommend a couple of resources that can add to the debate. These are the Fulks Report on the NCAA site (for macro data), and the EADA information on the Equity in Athletics web page (for micro data - some issues of reliability however). These datasets, with some other resources, can provide most interested parties with some insight of the feasibility of making the jump to I-A from I-AA - especially when considered in time-series format.
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By Purple Haize
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qkslvrsrfrboy wrote:wow that was long
And no pictures!! Must not have been an SMGT grad
By LUconn
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LU Facility Crew wrote:
First, there cannot be any serious aspirations to jump to I-A without a long run of success at the I-AA level.
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