[Schfourteenteen]

Fat butt disease should be adressed in jokes everywhere, offensive or not.

There was no purpose in this

[flamesfilmguy]

Personally I think this whole argument is ridiculous. I'm a baptist. our church has had A&E(black pentecostal) preachers. Singing a sermon is awesome.
Most people ESPECIALLY Baptists just don't have an open mind to worship because they have been taught one way their entire life. It goes against something they were taught since they were young and therefore because it goes against tradition it is automatically wrong. THAT is the major problem between denominations in the Church. people aren't willing to experience new kinds of worship. it takes them out of their comfort zone.

[SuperJon]

It's one thing to use hyperbole in a neutral setting. It's a completely different thing to make fun of someone in the act of something.

I don't get how it's okay to make fun of someone in passing but yet, if they are actually engaging in the act, it's not okay?

That's like joking about a cheeseburger making you fat, then getting offended when someone actually tells you that you're going to get fat.

I don't think the example you used is the same as me. Here's the best example I have:

Bryson: Oh, you're Pentecostal? You go to one of those churches where they swing from the rafters on Sunday mornings?

He actually said that to me. It was obviously a joke. It never struck me as him making fun of the way we did things. However, when he came to my church he never once made fun of what was going on. It was different for him, but he didn't make fun of what was going on.

[RagingTireFire]

I'm torn here because Sch14 is right. There's been no point to this. I believe that the Christian faith in all its forms is worth defending but, at the same time, it's like talking to a brick wall here. It's almost like I'm back in school again.

[Hold My Own]

I still dont quite understand how they are worshiping in that picture...healing someone I can buy...but worshiping? no...

I can't believe you actually said this and meant it. How is that possible? Are you that ignorant of what people other than Thomas Road Baptist Church do? I'm asking that seriously. I don't see how someone who has been in church their entire life and graduated from a Christian university doesn't understand how the laying of hands is worship. It's completely Biblical and requires more faith than a lot of people are willing to have. Worshiping isn't just telling God how great He is.

Oh thats serious...and please please please take a picture of anyone doing that at TRBC so I can do a caption this...I've seen people holding someones shoulder during prayer and stuff (could be considered a form of laying hands) so please dont start calling me ignorant for confusing a photo of someone healing and laying hands...I've never seen laying hands done in that form..but I have seen Benny heal people and it looked very close

Here's two photos in one someone is being healed and the other worshiping...

[SuperJon]

No human can heal another human. All we can do is lay our hands on someone and pray for them and have the faith that God will work through us. You're making a split that simply isn't there.

[Hold My Own]

Most people ESPECIALLY Baptists just don't have an open mind to worship because they have been taught one way their entire life. I

Exactly, I had no idea that what any of this stuff truly was....I still think there is a difference in someone healing and laying hands...but I dont know

[LUconn]

I'm torn here because Sch14 is right. There's been no point to this. I believe that the Christian faith in all its forms is worth defending but, at the same time, it's like talking to a brick wall here. It's almost like I'm back in school again.

No, I'm just saying you're wrong. And you're saying I'm wrong. I understand exactly what you're saying. I'm not missing the point. We just disagree. Unfortunately for you, you've seriously limited your future postings with the position you've taken here.

[SuperJon]

Most people ESPECIALLY Baptists just don't have an open mind to worship because they have been taught one way their entire life. I

Exactly, I had no idea that what any of this stuff truly was....I still think there is a difference in someone healing and laying hands...but I dont know

That's why I said ignorant. Ignorant simply means you don't know any better. I wasn't insulting you. You just said yourself that you were ignorant to the matter.

[RagingTireFire]

No, I'm just saying you're wrong. And you're saying I'm wrong. I understand exactly what you're saying. I'm not missing the point. We just disagree. Unfortunately for you, you've seriously limited your future postings with the position you've taken here.

Why should I continue? It makes no practical sense and would only serve to widen the gap that apparently exists between our positions. I'm not playing a debate game here and it's not necessary that you come over to my line of thinking. I just hope that you can see why I have it.

[Hold My Own]

No human can heal another human.

Umm...I think there are some Pentecostals that would disagree with you though after reading more about them

[Schfourteenteen]

Theyre wrong if they think that, although Ive never met one who does

[Hold My Own]

Why should I continue? It makes no practical sense and would only serve to widen the gap that apparently exists between our positions. It's not necessary that you come over to my line of thinking but I hope that you can see why I have it.

As I hope you are real enough to understand how that looks different for someone who's never seen anyone other then Benny Hinn do that. I mean you have to admit it's different...but like I said I still want to check it out...even though those cones blocking off the drive way from what appears to be LU/TRBC offends me, I can get over that quickly

[Hold My Own]

Theyre wrong if they think that, although Ive never met one who does

Well they are considered the "charismatic" ones under the Pentecostal umbrella

[ALUmnus]

Personally I think this whole argument is ridiculous. I'm a baptist. our church has had A&E(black pentecostal) preachers. Singing a sermon is awesome.
Most people ESPECIALLY Baptists just don't have an open mind to worship because they have been taught one way their entire life. It goes against something they were taught since they were young and therefore because it goes against tradition it is automatically wrong. THAT is the major problem between denominations in the Church. people aren't willing to experience new kinds of worship. it takes them out of their comfort zone.

I disagree with this premise. Sure, it's easy for you to say that as a Baptist, and of course it's different from church to church, but there have been few denominations as self-examining as Baptists, and few that have changed or evolved and been open to change as Baptists. But then you could also say the exact opposite, depending on what church you're looking at. But as a whole, this is incorrect. Being open minded is a very tricky concept, and saying they don't have an open mind to worship is insulting to say the least.

[Hold My Own]

Agree I didnt even see the open mind part I only saw the didnt know....Most have an open mind, they choose to stay where they connect more

[Schfourteenteen]

No human can heal another human.

Umm...I think there are some Pentecostals that would disagree with you though after reading more about them

....? Power apart from God?

NO

[Hold My Own]

no, I'm not saying they are correct in that, I'm saying that there are some that believe that under that same umbrella

[thepostman]

Baptists & Pentecostals...............the dook/carolina of the religious world.

out of all this mess this is the only thing that I agree with...

reminds me of being back in the dorms and wishing the token crazy pentecostal and the token crazy baptist would shut the heck up....

[Kolzilla41]

So..... how bout them Catholics?

[LUconn]

Baptists & Pentecostals...............the dook/carolina of the religious world.

out of all this mess this is the only thing that I agree with...

reminds me of being back in the dorms and wishing the token crazy pentecostal and the token crazy baptist would shut the heck up....

pick a side Switzerland!

[flamesfilmguy]

Personally I think this whole argument is ridiculous. I'm a baptist. our church has had A&E(black pentecostal) preachers. Singing a sermon is awesome.
Most people ESPECIALLY Baptists just don't have an open mind to worship because they have been taught one way their entire life. It goes against something they were taught since they were young and therefore because it goes against tradition it is automatically wrong. THAT is the major problem between denominations in the Church. people aren't willing to experience new kinds of worship. it takes them out of their comfort zone.

I disagree with this premise. Sure, it's easy for you to say that as a Baptist, and of course it's different from church to church, but there have been few denominations as self-examining as Baptists, and few that have changed or evolved and been open to change as Baptists. But then you could also say the exact opposite, depending on what church you're looking at. But as a whole, this is incorrect. Being open minded is a very tricky concept, and saying they don't have an open mind to worship is insulting to say the least.

Maybe open mind is the wrong phrase. more like respect that other people have different forms of worship. Some of them you may not understand, some of them make you uncomfortable. I'll give an example. When i came here my freshman year. there was a guy who used to always dance in convo during worship. at first i thought it was weird but not completely out of the ordinary since my church isn't exactly your typical baptist "no dancing allowed" church. but the people around me were asking what he was doing and asking if he's psyco and all that crap and i was like "no, he's worshiping" it just suprised me that people thought that it was so weird. I think that guy still goes here and i've actually talked with him a few times. I think this whole worship debate can fall under the same category as all the other theological arguments in the church.... We'll find out when we get to heaven. as long as accepting Christ and what he did on the cross for us and a relationship with him is what we all have in common then all the rest becomes details. Respect that people worship different than you. don't make fun of it don't be a critic. Maybe the way you worship seems a little bland. you never know

[scuzdriver]

First off, JMUDukes just said he's not Baptist, but both you and SJ assumed that he was from his comment. So it's okay to make fun of/stereotype/disparage Baptists, but no one else?

I'm sorry but it's extremely typical of this school to talk crap about Pentecostals and Pentecostal beliefs. I've heard it from students, professors, and even campus pastors while I was here. I don't berate Baptists (or people with Baptist beliefs) for what they believe and I have the opinion that I shouldn't be berated or made fun of for the stuff I believe. It was obvious that JMUdukes was making fun of Pentecostals and their belief system. I have no respect whatsoever for people that do that.

Super, what did you expect from a traditional Baptist school? Why didn't you go to Oral Roberts? Just wondering.

[scuzdriver]

No, I'm just saying you're wrong. And you're saying I'm wrong. I understand exactly what you're saying. I'm not missing the point. We just disagree. Unfortunately for you, you've seriously limited your future postings with the position you've taken here.

Why should I continue? It makes no practical sense and would only serve to widen the gap that apparently exists between our positions. I'm not playing a debate game here and it's not necessary that you come over to my line of thinking. I just hope that you can see why I have it.

Did you have a bad experience with the Baptists? Sounds like you are kinda bitter.

[Schfourteenteen]

Super, what did you expect from a traditional Christian school? Why didn't you go to Oral Roberts? Just wondering.

Saying the same thing, I would expect tolerance and acceptance for issues that certainly arent all that important. Are there fakes who are just attention grabbing? Sure. But you find that in every denomination. I will worship God the way I do and you can do what you do. I dont expect to be coddled but certainly there comes a time where enough is enough. -addon- It certainly doesnt bother me at all when jokes come out on either side. Thats just how I am, meaningless jokes are just that. I wish that one side would stop looking at us as nuts and that we would stop getting offended at the idea that what we do isnt real. Because in the end our worship is towards God and not man.