[Schfourteenteen]

Well thats dumb, shouldnt he know that you dont leave your source high and dry? THIS SHOULD BE IN RIDDLE FORM!

[Hold My Own]

I just talked with a Presby insider and they said Presby is in SERIOUS financial trouble and they did not prepare for the financial commitment that going to DI was going to take....the future of DI at Presby is not looking good

[4everfsu]

Well you better get ready to schedule another team in place of PC just in case, they drop down

[RagingTireFire]

I don't think they can drop out of D1 until the NCAA moratorium ends in 2011.

[Hold My Own]

How can someone tell you that they dont care if you ran out of money?

[RagingTireFire]

How can someone tell you that they dont care if you ran out of money?

It's the NCAA. They use the phrase "we don't care" 300 times before lunch.

[SuperJon]

NCAA places a moratorium on it. No team is allowed to move up or down. PC knew that getting into it.

[Hold My Own]

I see, it just seems to me though in this economy that it's pretty easy to see how someone could run out of money quick. There's a lawsuit in there if anyone wanted to tackle it. It's no different then someone with a credit card, sure I had good money coming in allowing me to be approved for so much credit, but now I lost streams of income and cant pay...you now have the option to file for bankruptcy

[Chad4Life]

Actually, if I remember correctly from what I ready, Birmingham Southern had money in their endowment that would have been more than adequate to cover the cost of DI athletics in the Big South Conference. In fact, it was the endowment amount that impressed the Big South Conference to extend an invitation to join. However, there were those on BSC's campus that did not believe that money from the endowment should be used to fund athletics, the college had installed a new president who had been at a DIII institution prior and thus an debate arose between those who wanted to remain at BSC and those who wanted to move to DIII (I imagine some of those would probably prefer the abolishment of college athletics.) The DIII"s won; besides the money, the other argument that was used was that the peer colleges for BSC in the Alabama/Mississippi/Georgia area were DIII.

BTW, I wasn't a big fan of BSC being in the conference just because of the travel. I think a conference such as the Big South develops better rivalries when the schools are in a compact region.

Frankly, I think a lot of schools (public and private) are going to find difficulty in this current economic situation, and not just with athletics. Right now is not the best time to be overextended.

[TDDance234]

So what happens if PC runs out of money before '11?

[jcmanson]

HPU fan?! I didn't know they existed.

[Chad4Life]

BTW, I'm a High Point fan and a Campbell graduate. I would like to see Campbell back in the Big South as well, but as was stated, the departure in 1994 was not a pleasant one. Some of the parties involved (such as Norman Wiggins) are no longer of this world, and so maybe a return could happen.

Regarding the football program, at the present, they are happy being non-scholarship. It allows them to attract additional students without having to worry about raising funds for athletic scholarships. Most of the fans are excited just to have college football back. I do believe at some point there will be those at the school wondering why Campbell is not playing App. State, Furman, Elon, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, and is playing private schools from the Midwest and West Coast. If some other teams in the south or southeast develop non-scholarship progams (Lipscomb, High Point as occasionally been mentioned, maybe a couple other private schools), then that might not come up. Right now, people are just happy to have football back, and they're not concerned about whom they are playing.

[Hold My Own]

I'm not going to lie HP is my favorite school...their President came onto one of our team buses one time and said I'm going to introduce myself...my name is (whatever his name is) and I'm building the best facilities you'll see in the BSC and I may come up to LU and buy your school....LOL...they said he reminds them of a mobster...but I just laughed, I respect his hustle!

[Chad4Life]

HPU fan?! I didn't know they existed.

Yeah, there are a few. Actually, I'm different from most of the ones that post on the High Point board in that I was a fan back in the 70's (I remember seeing scores in the paper when it was Liberty Baptist.) I try to read your board every once and awhile and stay out of Liberty's issues, but if something comes up like this, I may post something if it catches my eye.

[jcmanson]

Stick around for basketball season.

[Chad4Life]

So what happens if PC runs out of money before '11?

I imagine, moratorium or not, that some sort of waiver could be allowed, but I also imagine there would be serious restrictions if such a waiver was given. As someone stated, I could see a lawsuit come about that, no matter what the outcome, the NCAA would come under heavy fire.

[Chad4Life]

Stick around for basketball season.

I'll try.

[Hold My Own]

I'm not going to lie HP is my favorite school...their President came onto one of our team buses one time and said I'm going to introduce myself...my name is (whatever his name is) and I'm building the best facilities you'll see in the BSC and I may come up to LU and buy your school....LOL...they said he reminds them of a mobster...but I just laughed, I respect his hustle!

oh and he wasnt joking...dead serious

[RagingTireFire]

PC isn't running out of money. Their situation is that they're trying to expand athletics and a lot of other items including infrastructure improvements and adding post-grad programs all at the same time. I would expect that they will cut some costs associated with athletics such as scholarships and recruiting/travel/salary budgets but I doubt very much that they drop back to D2 where a lot of those costs would be more or less the same. I would also suggest that PC is not the only school in the Big South to be having similiar issues.

[kiltsareitchy07]

Perhaps the humor is to subtle for me because I'm not laughing. Before some of you get too giddy about this, just know that Bentley's departure has brought to light issues at PC that are bigger than Bobby and could potentially threaten our continued affiliation with Division I athletics. Just saying.

And we're supposed to feel bad about this?

As much as I hate Liberty as an institution and a football team, if you guys had to sacrifice D-I athletics to preserve financial liquidity, I wouldn't rejoice. That's classless. You don't gain anything by taking smug pleasure in others' misfortune.

[JDUB]

I don't think any of us are celebrating. It screws us too if ya'll get out cause we lose autobid.

[kiltsareitchy07]

PC isn't running out of money. Their situation is that they're trying to expand athletics and a lot of other items including infrastructure improvements and adding post-grad programs all at the same time. I would expect that they will cut some costs associated with athletics such as scholarships and recruiting/travel/salary budgets but I doubt very much that they drop back to D2 where a lot of those costs would be more or less the same. I would also suggest that PC is not the only school in the Big South to be having similiar issues.

How would you know this? Who have you talked to?

[gobluehose]

PC isn't running out of money. Their situation is that they're trying to expand athletics and a lot of other items including infrastructure improvements and adding post-grad programs all at the same time. I would expect that they will cut some costs associated with athletics such as scholarships and recruiting/travel/salary budgets but I doubt very much that they drop back to D2 where a lot of those costs would be more or less the same. I would also suggest that PC is not the only school in the Big South to be having similiar issues.

finally someone with some sense......listen, PC is not going bankrupt or close to it. PC laid out an ambitious strategy back in 2006-07 to move to D-I athletics and start a new school of pharmacy in addition to renovating or building several new buildings around campus...............then the bottom dropped out of the economy......could not have come at a worse time during the middle of a project like this. Of course this is less than ideal and PC will have to freeze some stuff and cut other things here and there but there won't be a move to reclassify.....it may take us longer to get where we want to go but thats the nature the beast

Bobby Bentley has from the beginning been an ego-maniac and a lot of us saw this early on but we love our school so we gave him a shot. His ego couldn't take the fact that he would have to become a better coach to win championships at this level. He had more resources than any other coach at PC has ever had probably x2. So don't drink the koolaid that Bobby is leaving because of broken promises, financial difficulties, or because of his family. He tries to take a moral high road and say its because of his family, as if to say that other college coaches don't see their families enough. Read through all that....He just couldnt' hack it. And no Joel Osteen/Tony Dungee/Prayer of Jabez-power-of-positive-thinking-book can change that.

I think I have said this before but we need a coach that is willing to work hard with what he's got and not complain that somebody promised him this or that or that his players can't get in school, or that the other team was running up the score, or [insert BB complaint here].

[Hold My Own]

Do you think it took them off guard that they should expect to lose millions each year in athletics? Or do you think they prepared for this...


Also if you could pass along a note to coach bentley that we truly want him to keep blogging and to go to www.keepbobbyblogging.com and it's his forever that would be nice

[RagingTireFire]

PC isn't running out of money. Their situation is that they're trying to expand athletics and a lot of other items including infrastructure improvements and adding post-grad programs all at the same time. I would expect that they will cut some costs associated with athletics such as scholarships and recruiting/travel/salary budgets but I doubt very much that they drop back to D2 where a lot of those costs would be more or less the same. I would also suggest that PC is not the only school in the Big South to be having similiar issues.

How would you know this? Who have you talked to?

It's common sense. The endowment money is still there -- yes, it's down but it's still there -- and, as long as it is, PC isn't out of money. If you're questioning to which other schools I'm referring to, I would look at CSU. They're also in massive infrastructure mode only two years after nearly %50 of their endowment disappeared into a Ponzi scheme. It's a bad situation and it hurts your program but it's not necessarily fatal.