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LUconn wrote:Man, I feel bad for Tom Crean. I think he knew what he was getting into though. Didn't really understand why he took that job.If they give him enough time there to turn that program around, he'll be one popular coach. Somehow, someway Indiana still has a large following an administration that is behind the program.
LUconn wrote:Man, I feel bad for Tom Crean. I think he knew what he was getting into though. Didn't really understand why he took that job.Crean wanted that job. Indiana has alot of history, we are a basketball state. More high school basketball courts than any other state. The wealth of talent is just ready to be tapped and get em to come to IU again instead of other Big Ten schools (i.e. Greg Oden) We will be good again and we will dominate the Big Ten, but I think it will at least be another year.
DeathCab4LU wrote:LUconn wrote:Man, I feel bad for Tom Crean. I think he knew what he was getting into though. Didn't really understand why he took that job.Crean wanted that job. Indiana has alot of history, we are a basketball state. More high school basketball courts than any other state. The wealth of talent is just ready to be tapped and get em to come to IU again instead of other Big Ten schools (i.e. Greg Oden) We will be good again and we will dominate the Big Ten, but I think it will at least be another decade.
LUconn wrote:yeah, you've basically got a team full of D3 players right now. And you're right about it being a basketball state. It's like Nebraska football. There's unrealistic expectations and pressure. I just think it was a crazy job to take.Initally it looks that way & in fact could turn out to be a disaster for Crean- but considering what Coach K has done at Duke in his career with no previous success & the historical pressure on Tobacco Road.. I'd say there's more upside for Crean than downside- if he fails, it would be hard to blame him directly with everything going on prior to his involvement- so I don't believe there's immediate pressure to succeed- he has essentially a hallpass for a few years before expectations set in.. Even if he fails, I can't see any pther program holding that against him (assuming no major problems arise & it's just a lack of success) for another job were he to move on.. The admin at IU is a joke- love him or hate him- Bob Knight never came close to any of this stuff that they're seeing now..
olldflame wrote:thanks for fixing it for me but I think it will be a max of 4 yrs lolDeathCab4LU wrote:LUconn wrote:Man, I feel bad for Tom Crean. I think he knew what he was getting into though. Didn't really understand why he took that job.Crean wanted that job. Indiana has alot of history, we are a basketball state. More high school basketball courts than any other state. The wealth of talent is just ready to be tapped and get em to come to IU again instead of other Big Ten schools (i.e. Greg Oden) We will be good again and we will dominate the Big Ten, but I think it will at least be another decade.
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kingaling42 wrote:The admin at IU is a joke- love him or hate him- Bob Knight never came close to any of this stuff that they're seeing now..Kingaling42 I completely agree that the administration is a joke....Crean will turn this team around he has Big Ten and midwesr experience and hopefully he will get back to recruiting Indiana players like the great times of yrs past.......and Bobby Knight is and always will be the best.....
DeathCab4LU wrote:Definitely agree- I'm a big, big fan of BK!!kingaling42 wrote:The admin at IU is a joke- love him or hate him- Bob Knight never came close to any of this stuff that they're seeing now..Kingaling42 I completely agree that the administration is a joke....Crean will turn this team around he has Big Ten and midwesr experience and hopefully he will get back to recruiting Indiana players like the great times of yrs past.......and Bobby Knight is and always will be the best.....
kingaling42 wrote:my thoughts is he's spot on..I dont think hes lying or mistaken either. I dont think these types of scenarios are rare though. Kids use drugs and coaches have a tough time getting them to change. Now if you are coaching a top notch team, its a tough judgement call as to whether to deal with it and possibly ruin your tenure(if is 3 bball players thats tough to overcome) or to do what you can and hope for the best.
flamesbball84 wrote:it's going to take 3 years to get that program turned around to dominating the big 10 status, two if they are lucky.Id say 2 to 3 to contend, not dominate.
Schfourteenteen wrote:In our "what have you done for me lately" mindsets- I say as soon as success comes this stuff will be forgotten (mostly!).. some people will always remember but put up some positives, get some recruits, win some games, keep up positive press- folks will have a short memory.. I won't put a number of years on it- just "Win Baby!!" And they will forget!!flamesbball84 wrote:it's going to take 3 years to get that program turned around to dominating the big 10 status, two if they are lucky.Id say 2 to 3 to contend, not dominate.
Question is, how long does it take the program to heal? Id say longer than 5
kingaling42 wrote:Gotta go with the king here. Winning heals all wounds.Schfourteenteen wrote:In our "what have you done for me lately" mindsets- I say as soon as success comes this stuff will be forgotten (mostly!).. some people will always remember but put up some positives, get some recruits, win some games, keep up positive press- folks will have a short memory.. I won't put a number of years on it- just "Win Baby!!" And they will forget!!flamesbball84 wrote:it's going to take 3 years to get that program turned around to dominating the big 10 status, two if they are lucky.Id say 2 to 3 to contend, not dominate.
Question is, how long does it take the program to heal? Id say longer than 5
flamesbball84 wrote:as far as i'm concerned, Indiana deserved this after the way they treated Bobby Knight. How ironic is it that they get a coach who didn't graduate players and had a buttload of ncaa violations after Bobby Knight left, who had a ridiculously high graduation rate and I can't recall one ncaa violation under his tenure (if there was one, it was so insignificantly minor the media didn't even cover it).ok i think its known that im a huge Bob Knight fan but how did we (IU and IU fans) deserve this? Bob Knight was let go for a reason, I think it could have been handled better but he had to be disciplined winningest coach or not. Hoosier will back whoever is at the well Knight, Sampson, Davis, or Crean.
DeathCab4LU wrote:flamesbball84 wrote:as far as i'm concerned, Indiana deserved this after the way they treated Bobby Knight. How ironic is it that they get a coach who didn't graduate players and had a buttload of ncaa violations after Bobby Knight left, who had a ridiculously high graduation rate and I can't recall one ncaa violation under his tenure (if there was one, it was so insignificantly minor the media didn't even cover it).ok i think its known that im a huge Bob Knight fan but how did we (IU and IU fans) deserve this? Bob Knight was let go for a reason, I think it could have been handled better but he had to be disciplined winningest coach or not. Hoosier will back whoever is at the well Knight, Sampson, Davis, or Crean.
Sly Fox wrote:In my experience with the Falwell family over the past 30+ years, they have never been shy about stating what they believe and standing by it. If anything it should be on their family crest.
Hold My Own wrote:agreedDeathCab4LU wrote:flamesbball84 wrote:as far as i'm concerned, Indiana deserved this after the way they treated Bobby Knight. How ironic is it that they get a coach who didn't graduate players and had a buttload of ncaa violations after Bobby Knight left, who had a ridiculously high graduation rate and I can't recall one ncaa violation under his tenure (if there was one, it was so insignificantly minor the media didn't even cover it).ok i think its known that im a huge Bob Knight fan but how did we (IU and IU fans) deserve this? Bob Knight was let go for a reason, I think it could have been handled better but he had to be disciplined winningest coach or not. Hoosier will back whoever is at the well Knight, Sampson, Davis, or Crean.
The fans didnt deserve this but the school does
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