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By kingaling42
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prototype wrote:
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prototype wrote: Dingaling...I mean Kingaling...Sorry...There comes a point when you start thinking about what is best for your league and school in the long term - not what will help us this year. You might have an advantage playing in that broom closet you call a gym, but in the long term perspective - it sets back the BS every time that gym is on TV. NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN A JUNIOR HIGH GYM and when someone that has never seen one of our schools play before and see that we are playing in a state penitentiary gymnasium - it's hurts everybody! I wasn't even making the point about the tournament last year, as much as the decision to host ESPN at 2:00 in Asheville in that shoebox, you call home. That game could have been played up here in the Vines Center in front of 8,000 students (we could have even given you 50 tickets to get all your fans in). I wasn't trashing George - I wish he was playing - I know he would have killed us, but he would have been good for the league. I was pointing out the reason you don't put all your eggs in one marketing basket - and if he plays great, people focus on him and less on the Oversized Garage you play in. There was no reason you guys couldn't have come up here to a real Arena while yours gets completed.
Since I'm a Dingaling now (real classy by the way but why did I expect anything else from you).. let me get this right.. our TV game exposure hurts the league & every BS school?? Is that your position??
- Did it hurt Winthrop from recruiting great players & winning the BS consistently??
- Did it hurt LU from getting your fabled Top 50 recruiting class including Seth Curry this year??
- Does it keep the BS from the ESPN Bracketbusters games each year??
- Since "NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY IN A JUNIOR HIGH GYM" does it stop UNCA from getting great players year in & year out or from winning the Big South regular season last year or the other 3 times Eddie Biedenbach has won it since 1996??
- Did it stop UNCA from either the NCAA or NIT bids we received the last 5 years?

Or is the only real point of frustration you have that you couldn't beat us there last year or this year?? Quit hating on something that is still good for the league- any TV games with national exposure is great for the BS conference (kinda like there's no such thing as bad press!)- LU just didn't hold up there end of it this year.. if you guys had won that game & Seth had scored 40, he would already have his jersey retired up there.. But Seth didn't & although he played well he was outplayed that game by our freshmen point guard JP Primm.. but I guess JP was a nobody that game to "WANT TO PLAY IN A JUNIOR HIGH GYM" right?? Bottom line is no one sitting at home 2 weeks ago, would've focused as much on our gym if LU had given the audience any sign of making that a game- you guys laid an egg & so even the announcers had no prepared material to spout out.. So I'd say that LU's performance was as much of a negative factor, if not more so, than the gym where the game was played.. but good luck with all your jokes..

Proto- I'm not saying you trashed George, but everyone knew he didn't play in that game- you seemed to want to slide that quip in inappropriately.. IMHO- So if Curry gets hurt in his career (not at all wishing that on him) & can't play a TV game- should the Big South change the venue?? That's illogical & you know the show must go on storylines be darned..
Sorry about the Dingaling thing - it was just too easy. You can trash my name if you want. Maybe Amateurtotype? RookieType? Old warn out invention? Rototype? I'm happy to have Asheville in our league - just can't wait to get you in a new Gym!! I think you understand about my George comment, but come on - you know that was the only reason we played there, afterall you guys are young and ESPN wanted the marketing value. My guess is this is how it happened...

Coach Biedenbach, "You want us to play a 2:00 game against a Big South opponent that early in the season?"
Kyle, "Yes, we need to get as much exposure out of Mr. Kenny George as we can - People love him."
Coach Biedenbach, "well, if I'm going to have to play that early with a team with 8 freshman, we play here."
Kyle, "Of course - we wouldn't want to make you travel away from home and have a disadvantage, would we."
Coach Biedenbach, "AND...I want to play Liberty, because they have 7 freshman and that Curry kid will only get better as the year goes on."
Kyle, "Of course - Liberty is always willing to play anywhere to help benefit the Big South."
Coach Biedenbach, "They also have that nice 8,500 seat open Arena - they will never be able to shoot in here (laughter)."
Actually the game was scheduled at Noon originally- UNCA doesn't have any scheduled classes from 12- 1:30 on Tuesdays, then ESPN moved it to 2pm for some reason (which hurt our attendance to a slight degree).. The game was definitely to feature Kenny George, no question about that even no one like Kenny would want to "PLAY IN A JUNIOR HIGH GYM"- it potentially hurt both teams to play a conference game that early- but who knows what KK is thinking- I think we can all agree he's an idiot but he doesn't exactly provide UNCA with any favors- ask WU about all that..

Again, our GYM sucks.. we ALL want a new place to replace the Justice- but to say it's an embarassment for the conference & other schools like LU- that's untrue as I've clearly shown that it hasn't stopped us from getting good recruits or fielding good teams- we're excited to have a new place in the works.. But be careful what you wish for- remember that we lose other recruits because of the current gym so when the new place is done- look for us to be able to land some of the other kids that have chosen schools with better facilities! The Justice Center is not inherently embarrassing to the Big South or to LU.. only the way you perform in it..
By TDDance234
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SuperJon wrote:The only problem I have with UNCA's gym is the backboards are bolted on the wall. They are not free standing goals like at all of the other schools. Say what you want, but there's a difference in playing on a free standing vs a bolted backboard.
SJ- great idea for the portable goals, it was proposed years back.. unfortunately those things called walls get in the way!! I would've thought that all you arena experts would've figured that out...
Which is exactly the point. There isn't enough room for freestanding baskets? That's pathetic and shouldn't happen at a D1 school.
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By Fumblerooskies
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That gym at UNCA may be the best home court advantage in the Big South.
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By kingaling42
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Fumblerooskies wrote:That gym at UNCA may be the best home court advantage in the Big South.
The Justice Center is often ranked the toughest place to play in the Big South..

I'm sure that why LU fans hate it so.. many of the Big South schools gyms are jsut as small and are similar to HS gyms, CCU's, CSU's, the other schools just don't have UNCA's track record..
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By kingaling42
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TDDance234 wrote:
kingaling42 wrote:
SuperJon wrote:The only problem I have with UNCA's gym is the backboards are bolted on the wall. They are not free standing goals like at all of the other schools. Say what you want, but there's a difference in playing on a free standing vs a bolted backboard.
SJ- great idea for the portable goals, it was proposed years back.. unfortunately those things called walls get in the way!! I would've thought that all you arena experts would've figured that out...
Which is exactly the point. There isn't enough room for freestanding baskets? That's pathetic and shouldn't happen at a D1 school.
I guess if you can't beat us- just talk about our gym right??

Well you sure got us there.. you guys feel better yet??
By thepostman
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i feel fine..we haven't lost a game since not showing up...your gym sucks...but you know that...its fun from time to time to make fun of your gym...but i think now people are just trying to get under your skin dude...and it looks like its working
By TDDance234
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kingaling42 wrote:
Fumblerooskies wrote:That gym at UNCA may be the best home court advantage in the Big South.
The Justice Center is often ranked the toughest place to play in the Big South..

I'm sure that why LU fans hate it so.. many of the Big South schools gyms are jsut as small and are similar to HS gyms, CCU's, CSU's, the other schools just don't have UNCA's track record..
What track record? UNCA is 66-84 over the past 5 seasons...and own 4-6 record against LU over the same stretch. Come on...this is a tired debate. UNCA beat LU, great. It was ONE game.
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By kingaling42
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For what it's worth (& to return this thread to the original topic!).. you guys are a much different & better TEAM than the first game against us just weeks ago- I just don't want to read excuses about how our gym played into your performance or last year's Big South tourney, etc..- if the game this year was close like the first game of last years perhaps.. otherwise just chalk it up to playing in a different environment- your players have to adapt & play ball- they're good enough you don't have to sugar coat & make lame excuses for them.. There are so many unique arena's in D-1 ball with different sizes, set ups, back boards, rims, even the basketballs themselves as you play out of conference are different brands, thus texture, grip & feel- it's tiring to hear you guys harp about a small gym if your team doesn't have the mentality to overcome the environment & just play.. Just my thoughts..

I am curious to see how LU does once conference action starts back up & you guys are playing well right now and finding ways to win close games..
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By WinthropEagleFan
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Yeah, blaming the Justice Center baskets is lame. Michael Jenkins shot on them just fine last year in the Big South championship game.

I actually enjoy watching games there...yeah, it would be nice if it were a bit bigger, but I like the unique set-up and facility. Much better to be small and unique than small and boring (ie. Coastal and CSU's gyms).
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By kingaling42
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TDDance234 wrote:
kingaling42 wrote:
Fumblerooskies wrote:That gym at UNCA may be the best home court advantage in the Big South.
The Justice Center is often ranked the toughest place to play in the Big South..

I'm sure that why LU fans hate it so.. many of the Big South schools gyms are jsut as small and are similar to HS gyms, CCU's, CSU's, the other schools just don't have UNCA's track record..
What track record? UNCA is 66-84 over the past 5 seasons...and own 4-6 record against LU over the same stretch. Come on...this is a tired debate. UNCA beat LU, great. It was ONE game.
What track record?? Ummm- 4 conference championships since '96, 1 BS Tourney title + NCAA bid, NIT bid.. Liberty has 1 championship, 1 tourney title & 1 NCAA bid..

Yes we're well below .500,considering our last 6 seasons non conference RPI ranking- that's not too bad right??
2003 21st
2004 16th
2005 51st
2006 63rd
2007 88th
2008 117th

I'm sorry you don't see the other Big South small arena schools winning any titles since '96 (CSU) but come on TDDance with your big, fancy 8500 seat multi-purpose arena, LU still has not been as successful as UNCA has ever been no matter how you try & break it down, you're talking record- I'm more into regular season and tourney titles/championships (6 to 3) since you brought it up..

That's track record..
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By Fumblerooskies
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WinthropEagleFan wrote:...yeah, it would be nice if it were a bit bigger, Much better to be small and unique than small and boring.
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
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By kingaling42
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WinthropEagleFan wrote:Yeah, blaming the Justice Center baskets is lame. Michael Jenkins shot on them just fine last year in the Big South championship game.

I actually enjoy watching games there...yeah, it would be nice if it were a bit bigger, but I like the unique set-up and facility. Much better to be small and unique than small and boring (ie. Coastal and CSU's gyms).
Haha.. Thanks WEF!! Jenkins was def on a tear that day... that's what players should do- don't blame the gym!!
By SuperJon
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The Justice Center is not the hardest place to play by any means. That belongs to Cameron Hall on a Saturday.
By treyjman24
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SuperJon wrote:The Justice Center is not the hardest place to play by any means. That belongs to Cameron Hall on a Saturday.
im sorry this is really funny, im not sure if thats a real place but i googled that place and its an assiseted living center ....... lol i just thought that was funny
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By Fumblerooskies
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I wonder if he meant Cameron Indoor Stadium??
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By Cider Jim
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SuperJon wrote:Cameron Hall on a Saturday.
Is that where VMI plays?
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By jcmanson
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Cameron Hall- VMI's basketball stadium
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By kingaling42
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SuperJon wrote:The Justice Center is not the hardest place to play by any means. That belongs to Cameron Hall on a Saturday.
I said it was often ranked that... I never played at VMI- they weren't in the conference back then- so I couldn't tell you about Cameron Hall- I'll take your word for it!
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By kingaling42
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TDDance- where'd ya go??? Or are you still lost & looking for track records...
By Hold My Own
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And as far as the Kenny George comment from proto, it's no different then if we're in the bracket buster game playing Davidson yet little curry gets hurt and we lose by 40...they put all their eggs in one basket and it didnt pay off
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By kingaling42
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Proto & I have already worked all that out.. I've moved on to TDDance & his lack of response which further proved my point..
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Ok...keep me updated on who your after now...if you can give me a heads up on who's next so I can get some material for use
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By kingaling42
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Easy killer.. I'm not "after" anyone- just looking for a response since TDDance asked the question.. pretty sure that's how this usually works- one person brings up their facts/opinions and another either agrees & add his 2 cents or disagrees and provides his/her reasons- perhaps he just didn't like my rebuttal..

As for the heads up- Just scroll up, it shouldn't be that hard to keep up and follow along.. or feel free to fire away- I don't mind!!
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