[SuperJon]

Villanova lost to the #1 ranked team in the country on the last play of the game. Elon lost to a team ranked right next to them. They will drop but not much. Plus Lafayette will leap frog us. They're not going to move us up much, if any, until we beat Elon.

[JDUB]

i'm not talking about nova and elon. i'm talking about the teams that lost directly ahead of us. furman, tenn st, jacksonville st

[SuperJon]

Furman lost at App St. They're not dropping much.

Tennessee St will drop.

Jacksonville St lost to the #1 team in the OVC. I doubt they'll drop much.

[Chris Lang]

I've got Liberty at No. 20.

http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/sports/s ... _256/9850/

I didn't have Jacksonville State ranked last week and I dumped Tennessee State and McNeese State altogether.

[Kolzilla41]

Chris,
In your opinion what does Elon's loss do to Liberty's playoff chances?

[Chris Lang]

If anything, it makes the Liberty-Elon game a play-in game for the field of 16, as long as Liberty wins the next three to get to 10-1.

I just don't see any way Elon goes into App and wins. That'll put the Phoenix at 8-3 heading to Lynchburg.

The two biggest games this week that will have bearing on the Flames:

NAU at Montana -- A Griz win puts the Lumberjacks out of their misery. Montana has won 20 of the last 21 against the Jacks and NAU coach Jerome Souers has never beaten the Griz. He used to be Montana's D coordinator.

Northern Iowa at Western Illinois -- I don't think the loser of this game has much of a chance of an at-large. Western Illinois is definitely out if it loses.

[ToTheLeft]

New AGS Poll:

1. James Madison (96) 2543
2. Appalachian St. 2403
3. Wofford (3) 2270
4. Cal Poly (2) 2233
5. Northern Iowa 2004
6. Richmond 1950
7. Montana 1877
8. Villanova 1796
9. Southern Illinois 1617
10. New Hampshire 1560
11. Weber St. (1) 1552
12. Elon 1460
13. Central Arkansas 1419
14. Western Illinois 1335
15. Massachusetts 1084
16. William & Mary 912
17. Furman 779
18. Lafayette 644
19. McNeese St. 618
20. Liberty 614
21. Northern Arizona 558
22. Harvard 427
23. South Carolina St. 395
24. Tennessee-Martin 239
25. South Dakota St. 151

[jcmanson]

1. James Madison Dukes (98) 7-1 2,594 1
2. Appalachian State Mountaineers (3) 6-2 2,457 2
3. Wofford Terriers (2) 6-1 2,324 4
4. Cal Poly Mustangs (1) 5-1 2,210 6
5. Northern Iowa Panthers 6-2 2,033 5
6. Montana Grizzlies 7-1 1,959 8
7. Villanova Wildcats 5-2 1,823 7
8. Richmond Spiders 6-3 1,778 9
9. New Hampshire Wildcats 6-1 1,687 10
10. Elon Phoenix 7-2 1,581 3
11. Central Arkansas Bears 7-1 1,514 13
12. Western Illinois Leathernecks 5-2 1,473 12
13. Weber State Wildcats 7-2 1,461 16
14. Southern Illinois Salukis 5-2 1,391 14
15. Massachusetts Minutemen 5-3 976 17
16. William & Mary Tribe 5-2 792 23
17. Liberty Flames 7-1 763 20
18. Furman Paladins 6-3 722 18
19. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 6-2 715 15
20. McNeese State Cowboys 4-3 665 11
21. Lafayette Leopards 6-1 585 24
22. South Carolina State Bulldogs 6-2 489 NR
23. Harvard Crimson 5-1 395 25
24. Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 7-2 270 NR
25. Tennessee State Tigers 6-2 156 19
Others receiving votes: Texas State 127, South Dakota State 95, Maine 70, Jacksonville State 67, North Dakota State 66, Prairie View 63, Georgia Southern 60, Hampton 54, Florida A&M 47, Colgate 44, Northwestern State 33, Eastern Washington 32, Grambling 27, Penn 26, Albany 25, UC Davis 25, Eastern Kentucky 24, San Diego 14, Holy Cross 11, Sacred Heart 10, Monmouth 4, North Dakota 4, Morgan State 3, Dayton 2.

[LUconn]

17. Liberty Flames 7-1 763 20
21. Lafayette Leopards 6-1 585 24
23. Harvard Crimson 5-1 395 25

It's funny how things don't make sense sometimes.

[JDUB]

Jacksonville St lost to the #1 team in the OVC. I doubt they'll drop much.

I guess they didn't consult you when they voted

[jcmanson]

1. James Madison (27) 7-1 699 1
2. Appalachian State 6-2 665 2
3. Cal Poly 5-1 622 3
4. Northern Iowa 6-2 596 4
5. Wofford (1) 6-1 588 6
6. Montana 7-1 574 5
7. Richmond 6-3 531 8
8. New Hampshire 6-1 479 10
9. Central Arkansas 7-1 453 12
10. Villanova 5-2 412 9
11. Southern Illinois 5-2 405 13
12. Elon 7-2 389 7
13. Weber State 7-2 363 17
14. Western Illinois 5-2 342 14
15. Massachusetts 5-3 320 16
16. McNeese State 4-3 221 11
17. Liberty 7-1 204 21
18. Northern Arizona 6-2 197 15
19. William & Mary 5-2 178 23
20. South Carolina State 6-2 147 24
21. Furman 6-3 143 18
22. Lafayette 6-1 131 NR
23. Tennessee-Martin 7-2 77 NR
T24. North Dakota State 4-4 50 24
T24. Harvard 5-1 50 NR

Other receiving votes (pts. in parentheses): Tennessee State (40), Jacksonville State (33), Florida A&M (28), Georgia Southern (25), Eastern Washington (19), Prairie View (18), Hampton (17), Texas State (17), Colgate (17), Maine (15), Grambling State (14), Dayton (6), UC Davis (4), Brown (4), South Dakota State (3), Holy Cross (2), Delaware (1), San Diego (1).

[Kolzilla41]

This is looking very good. We have moved up and need to get to 16 in a 3 in I remember correctly?

[RagingTireFire]

W&M jumps 7 spots -- and over us -- after beating Rhode Island?

[jcmanson]

This is looking very good. We have moved up and need to get to 16 in a 3 in I remember correctly?

Top 16 means nothing as far as playoffs go.

[Kolzilla41]

I thought there was a stipulation about being in the top 16 in all three polls for those who do not get a automatic bid.

[LUconn]

A committee chooses the teams that get at large bids based on their own criteria. Since there's 16 slots, the top 16 is a good indicator but it really is just a ranking.

[Kolzilla41]

Got it. Thanks LUconn.

[jcmanson]

The GPI is more accurate, and you have to realize teams will make the playoffs that aren't in the top 16 and maybe not the top 25 by getting an auto bid.

[LUconn]

The GPI is more accurate, and you have to realize teams will make the playoffs that aren't in the top 16 and maybe not the top 25 by getting an auto bid.

I don't follow other conferences closely nor what conferences have an autobid, but is there a conference with an autobid who's best team won't be in the top 16?

[jcmanson]

The GPI is more accurate, and you have to realize teams will make the playoffs that aren't in the top 16 and maybe not the top 25 by getting an auto bid.

I don't follow other conferences closely nor what conferences have an autobid, but is there a conference with an autobid who's best team won't be in the top 16?

More than likely, yes. Texas State will probably win the Southland and they are not currently in the top 25. Tennessee-Martin is leading the OVC and is ranked 22/23. Lafayette and South Carolina St. won't necessarily be in the top 16, and they should win their conferences.

[Fumblerooskies]

MEAC. With OVC looking on the outside of 16, too, I think.

[LibertyJoe]

Could the Elon game be who ever wins that makes the playoffs

[Kolzilla41]

Elon will be the game. There is no question about that.

[Pinckrock]

I hope if any of the players are reading this that they focus on ONE GAME AT A TIME. Elon is coming, but as irratic (doesn't look spelled right) as the Big South has been playing, we cannot look past any of the three teams before then. VMI and GW have had moments of notice. If we just keep winning the way we did Saturday, when we face Elon,we will have confidence, momentum, and the voters attention. If we can convice everyone that we are a force to be reconed with, and only having one blemish, the Elon game will get attention. I watched a little of Elon's Saturday game on playback today and even though they were blown out, they look pretty strong. We will need to hit them fast and hard. I saw their defeated attitudes once they were behind a few touchdowns.

In the mean time - GO LU. Beat Presbyterian.

[jcmanson]

1. James Madison (1.00)
2. Montana (4.13)
3. Richmond (4.88
4. Appalachian St (5.13)
5. Wofford (5.50)
6. Cal Poly (5.88
7. Villanova (6.13)
8. Weber St (6.75)
9. New Hampshire (9.38
10. Northern Iowa (11.63)
11. Elon (12.00)
12. Cent Arkansas (12.25)
13. William & Mary (12.63)
14. Massachusetts (13.38
15. W Illinois (14.88
16. S Illinois (15.38
17. N Arizona (17.25)
18. Furman (18.63)
19. Maine (19.13)
20. Lafayette (21.25)
21. Harvard (22.75)
22. Liberty (23.13)
23T. UC Davis (23.25)
23T. Ga Southern (23.75)
25. McNeese St (24.88