[qkslvrsrfrboy]

I would rather that happen than to give a bunch of students permission to carry guns on campus. I see the decision making of most students around here on a daily basis and letting them legally have a gun doesn't make me feel safer.

I really haven't read the whole thread but I'm sure it's already been said that the students you're talking about wouldn't have this permit. You can't hold the large majority of stupid students against the responsible ones just because they're all students. If this same retard student you're so afraid of were somehow able to obtain this permit, they wouldn't be able to carry on campus but he's still legally allowed to be packing many many other public places that you go to. I think most of you are just against people having guns outside their homes in general. Just come out and say that.

The school does this on how many other rules already?

Curfew: A few students who would be irresponsible, everyone has curfew
Dorms: A few students who would have sex in dorms, no one can go in dorm of the opposite sex.
Websites : a portion of students who would go to porn sites, and any website that is deemed inappropriate gets blocked, such as nataliedee.com, a cartoon much like her husbands at toothpastefordinner.com. Same thing, one is blocked one isnt.
Smoking/drinking : a few who would take this out of hand means no one on campus can do it. Its my right as a 21 year old to be able to drink and smoke if i want. School says I cant. This doesnt mean im going to throw a tick party and complain. I mean the bible says to drink a little wine for your stomach so you can be healthier. School would be healthier if we were all served a little wine, so why not???

And, if this makes schools so much safer, why dont elementary and highschools allow teachers to carry concealed? i dont mean like LCA but your average public highschool. For instance, the Highschool I came from I talked about earlier with 5 fights a day, multiple gang related gun fights on campus. Wouldnt it be safer if the teachers could arm themselves? But for some reason they cant? Is there some logic there?

[LUconn]

There are tons of reasons why all those rules exist and that is just one.

If you're so concerned about who's carrying a gun where, do you stay away from parks, restaurants, stores, and 75% of all other private and public places? I doubt you ever think about it. Can you give a reason why an average citizen needs to carry a concealed pistol with them to the grocery store? If you can't, does that mean you're against that too? I think you're just anti-gun in general because you apparently fear them so much.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

im not anti gun I just dont see the need for a student to have a gun in class.

[JDUB]

why does there need to be a need? is this not a free country any more? there is not a need to have a lot of things but we have them anyway.

[ToTheLeft]

why does there need to be a need? is this not a free country any more? there is not a need to have a lot of things but we have them anyway.

It's still a free country, but it's also a Private, low-crime University that we're dealing with...

And you can tell your arguments have all been used up and not affective when you start crying that your "rights are being infringed" and that it's a "free country" when you're talking about private property.

[asforme]

why does there need to be a need? is this not a free country any more? there is not a need to have a lot of things but we have them anyway.

It's still a free country, but it's also a Private, low-crime University that we're dealing with...

And you can tell your arguments have all been used up and not affective when you start crying that your "rights are being infringed" and that it's a "free country" when you're talking about private property.

I can't speak for JDUB, but I would never dream of having some authority enforce a policy on campus that the administration doesn't want. We are petitioning the administration to make a decision that we believe is in it's best interests.

It certainly is private property and if they wanted to ban purple socks they by all means have the right to do so, but as a general philosophy there should be a reason for having a restriction rather than a reason for having a freedom. A need to exercise the freedom should not need to be justified, but rather in the absense of any reason to restrict it, it should remain permissible. Remember I am talking about the decision making process I believe the administration should use in making policy decisions, I am not talking about using government or any other authority to enforce this methodology. It should be enough for the Administration that allowing concealed carry has no documented negative effects, there should be no need to demonstrate need. Ultimately they will make the decision they feel is best.

[JDUB]

why does there need to be a need? is this not a free country any more? there is not a need to have a lot of things but we have them anyway.

It's still a free country, but it's also a Private, low-crime University that we're dealing with...

And you can tell your arguments have all been used up and not affective when you start crying that your "rights are being infringed" and that it's a "free country" when you're talking about private property.

my arguments aren't used up, i just know that stating them is a waste of time because you aren't changing your opinion anymore than i'm changing mine so its a waste to state them

[hurricane fan]

Again, for me, it's not a fear of guns. I have been around here long enough to see some of the dumbest decision making you will ever see out of students. I don't think that adding the option of carrying a gun legally on campus is a wise move. Yes I am generalizing but we all suffer the consequences of others. It only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch.

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[Fumblerooskies]

IF guns were every allowed on campus...every single student, faculty, staff, support personnel from the Chancellor on down should have to pay for and submit to an annual background check.

For a university which is trying to stabilize infrastructure before going into another period of growth...this whole debate is a complete waste of time and university resources.

[asforme]

IF guns were every allowed on campus...every single student, faculty, staff, support personnel from the Chancellor on down should have to pay for and submit to an annual background check.

For a university which is trying to stabilize infrastructure before going into another period of growth...this whole debate is a complete waste of time and university resources.

We're not talking about "every single student, faculty, staff, support personnel from the Chancellor on down" carrying guns, we're talking about people with state issued concealed carry licenses, and they already do one better. You go through an extensive background check during the application process and if you commit a crime while you have your permit it is reported immediately to the county where your permit was issued and it is immediately revoked, no need to wait to resubmit to your annual background check. The state does an excellent job of taking care of this and it doesn't waste any university resources.

[Fumblerooskies]

IF guns were allowed on campus...you must have assurance with a background check of EVERYONE...not just the students packing heat. You never know about anyone.

[asforme]

IF guns were allowed on campus...you must have assurance with a background check of EVERYONE...not just the students packing heat. You never know about anyone.

Can you please explain this position? Why does everyone need to be checked for permit holders to allowed carry?

[hurricane fan]

IF guns were allowed on campus...you must have assurance with a background check of EVERYONE...not just the students packing heat. You never know about anyone.

Can you please explain this position? Why does everyone need to be checked for permit holders to allowed carry?

Correct if I am wrong fumble, but I believe he is saying you are potentially giving access to a gun to over 6,000 students who live on campus. What will stop someone who doesn't have a background check and permit from getting their hands on a gun that they would otherwise not have potential access to?

[JDUB]

if it is concealed on someone's body how would someone have access to it?

[HenryGale]

if it is concealed on someone's body how would someone have access to it?

If these people are showering with their guns on their bodies...we have bigger issues...

[RagingTireFire]

if it is concealed on someone's body how would someone have access to it?

Are they wearing it 24/7? Are they wearing it while they sleep or in the shower? Do they not have roommates? Are there not an overabundance of people on college campuses who, when they see something "really cool", just can't keep their hands off even if it doesn't belong to them? I've been on-campus twice in the last four years and I wouldn't trust most of the kids I met with a fireplace poker, let alone a handgun.

That's why you would have to check everybody out.

[JDUB]

i was speaking under the assumption that they wouldn't be allowed in the dorms

[asforme]

I wouldn't know how to address whether or not they be allowed in the dorms. I never lived there so I can't say what would be practical. I believe LUPD provides lockups for guns for students who hunt or do shooting sports. Safes anchored to the bed frames or floors could be a possibility. Ultimately that is a decision for the administration to address, whether or not they want to regulate safe storage in the dorms or just forbid it all together. Regardless I think it's a small issue, of the students over 21 who live in the dorms, only 1% of them are likely to have a concealed carry permit. This issue mostly affects faculty, staff and commuters.