[SuperJon]

We've been a conference for six years, not 22. We're just now getting to the requirements to be eligible for an auto-bid. Trying to throw that in our face is one of the dumbest things you can do.

[RagingTireFire]

Dude, I gotta stop takin' Qualudes in the morning. FT is right on their at-large history. I read right past both of those other two.

As for the Big South comparison, the conference has only been around since 2003 and won't even be eligible for the autobid until 2010. The fact that Coastal got in in '06 should be an indicator to you of where the conference is headed. By comparison, the Patriot League was in existence for 12 years before getting its first at-large.

[Franks Tanks]

Dude, I gotta stop takin' Qualudes in the morning. FT is right on their at-large history. I read right past both of those other two.

As for the Big South comparison, the conference has only been around since 2003 and won't even be eligible for the autobid until 2010. The fact that Coastal got in in '06 should be an indicator to you of where the conference is headed. By comparison, the Patriot League was in existence for 12 years before getting its first at-large.

I believe the Patriot League didnt participate in the FCS playoffs until 1997 (long Story). It could have been earlier, but we didnt allow our teams to participate in the playoffs for years. In that late 80's Holy Cross finished a few seasons in the top 5 (and number 1 once) but didnt partcicpate in the playoffs. They certainly would have made the playoffs those years no matter how few teams got bids. I didnt mean to start a pissing match, but the facts are that the Patriot league is not the weak conference some would have you believe. As for Liberty its your own fault why you have missed the playoffs on the past. Stop scheduling D-II schools and hive yourself a chance at that at large bid.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, we have stopped scheduling D II schools (I understand in the future we won't be doing that anymore). This year we only wanted one, but at the end of the day we couldn't land JMU so we got stuck with Glenville State. That made a huge difference in our schedule.

[RagingTireFire]

I never said that the Patriot was a weak conference. Colgate disproved that theory once and for all several years ago. By your own logic, however, it's the Patriot League's own fault that they weren't recognized as a decent conference by taking their ball and going home at the end of the year.

As for scheduling, nobody wants to play two Division II teams but we've been on the other extreme as well playing two I-A's in a season. Neither is particularly pleasant. Regardless, I'd pit some of those Division II schools against your traditional punching bag, Marist, any day of the week.

[Franks Tanks]

Well, we have stopped scheduling D II schools (I understand in the future we won't be doing that anymore). This year we only wanted one, but at the end of the day we couldn't land JMU so we got stuck with Glenville State. That made a huge difference in our schedule.

That's good. I can understand Liberty fans being mad for being left out last year, but more then one D-II game is really a lose/lose situation.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, last year we didn't have 7 DI wins, so our hopes and dreams were founded on what would have needed to be a miracle. This year, with a schedule that really isn't any worse (I mean, Toledo stood out and made last years schedule look good, but cmon, Toledo was terrible.) we are being widely shut out of "experts consideration".

We were one of the last group of teams cut out from the playoffs at 8-3 with 6 DI wins. How, one year later, could we be held out at 10-2, much less 11-1 or 12-0? If we lose Saturday, and then again to Elon, that's 10-2 with 8 DI wins. That's a really good resume...

We aren't leaning on the DII games, anyways. At the end of the year, just subtract 2 from the win column, that's our TRUE record.

[65 Pard]

Lafayette is a very small school....2500 students, of which almost half are female. Almost all other schools of our size play in smaller divisions....and we manage to field teams that compete with schools 5-10 times the size. This I consider a tribute to fine coaching and the value placed on a Lafayette education by scholar-athletes.... We have a football tradition that goes back to the 1800's. No doubt you know of The Rivalry game with Lehigh, the most played series in college football.

Occasionally we manage to shock the big schools.......We are rich in tradition with National Football Championships and NIT basketball wins when the NIT was bigger than the NCAA tournament.....Those of you who plan to make the trip to Easton next year should be sure to visit the trophy cases and the LC Hall of Fame....We have had occasional roundball wins over nationally ranked Virgina and Notre Dame teams and some recent NCAA tournament appearances.....We gave a good scare and had a chance to beat eventual champs App State in the 1AA Playoffs and also held a our own against eventual champs UMass.

How does this happen? I think it is partly because we have some alumni really committed to athletics who back it up with cash......Also our athletes recognize that Lafayette athletics does have a hallowed tradition and in big games often are motivated by it and inspired to become a part of that tradition.

I think our guys will show up and fight hard this weekend.

[Chris Lang]

We were one of the last group of teams cut out from the playoffs at 8-3 with 6 DI wins. How, one year later, could we be held out at 10-2, much less 11-1 or 12-0? If we lose Saturday, and then again to Elon, that's 10-2 with 8 DI wins. That's a really good resume...

Sadly, a resume that will no have pop to it because Youngstown State is the signature win, and the Penguins look like a 4-8 club at best this year. 10-2 won't even have Liberty in the conversation. That much I'm sure of.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Lafayette is a very small school....2500 students, of which almost half are female....

If we only had 1200 females... I would be in trouble... I mean what am I supposed to do after my freshman year? I would have already been through all of my options

[ToTheLeft]

Then how was 6-3 Liberty with the best win over Coastal in the discussion last year? Or were rumors of our consideration greatly exaggerated?

[ToTheLeft]

Lafayette is a very small school....2500 students, of which almost half are female....

If we only had 1200 females... I would be in trouble... I mean what am I supposed to do after my freshman year? I would have already been through all of my options

Okay, Wilt Chamberlain.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Lafayette is a very small school....2500 students, of which almost half are female....

If we only had 1200 females... I would be in trouble... I mean what am I supposed to do after my freshman year? I would have already been through all of my options

Okay, Wilt Chamberlain.

[LUconn]

I'm gone for like 2 and a half weeks and you're still using that picture?

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

I'm gone for like 2 and a half weeks and you're still using that picture?

Apparently...

[SuperJon]

As for Liberty its your own fault why you have missed the playoffs on the past. Stop scheduling D-II schools and hive yourself a chance at that at large bid.

Here's the problem with your logic on that one, and I don't blame you because you don't know the full truth.

We had two Division I games back out on us this year. Luckily, we were able to fill one of them with you guys. The other one we couldn't fill with a Division I team.

Secondly, and most importantly, teams are just now looking at scheduling us. For the longest time teams like Richmond, JMU, W&M, and those guys wouldn't even CONSIDER even talking to us because of what our school stood for and who founded it. It's the same reason we couldn't get into the CAA years ago.

[RagingTireFire]

Then how was 6-3 Liberty with the best win over Coastal in the discussion last year? Or were rumors of our consideration greatly exaggerated?

There were so few 7-win teams last year that it wasn't even funny. Some on here certainly greatly exaggerated our chances, I'm sure, but the committee made it clear that they weren't backing off of the 7-win standard for an at-large when they let in 7-5 New Hampshire.

[Franks Tanks]

As for Liberty its your own fault why you have missed the playoffs on the past. Stop scheduling D-II schools and hive yourself a chance at that at large bid.

Here's the problem with your logic on that one, and I don't blame you because you don't know the full truth.

We had two Division I games back out on us this year. Luckily, we were able to fill one of them with you guys. The other one we couldn't fill with a Division I team.

Secondly, and most importantly, teams are just now looking at scheduling us. For the longest time teams like Richmond, JMU, W&M, and those guys wouldn't even CONSIDER even talking to us because of what our school stood for and who founded it. It's the same reason we couldn't get into the CAA years ago.

Perhaps I dont understand the back story, but my logic isnt faulty. It stinks that teams backed out and you may have scheduling issues, but I simply meant played two D-II schools really makes it hard. They may have been your only option, but it is what it is when looking at he playoffs.

[rogers3]

We were one of the last group of teams cut out from the playoffs at 8-3 with 6 DI wins. How, one year later, could we be held out at 10-2, much less 11-1 or 12-0? If we lose Saturday, and then again to Elon, that's 10-2 with 8 DI wins. That's a really good resume...

Sadly, a resume that will no have pop to it because Youngstown State is the signature win, and the Penguins look like a 4-8 club at best this year. 10-2 won't even have Liberty in the conversation. That much I'm sure of.

With only sixteen teams, I don't know why an LU fan would think that 10-2 SHOULD get in. 11-1, good chance- 12-0, we would most likely be in the top 10-12 and I would think there would be a only a slim chance that we wouldn't go. Let's hope for 12-0.

LU- 24
LC- 13

att: 14,355

[Franks Tanks]

We were one of the last group of teams cut out from the playoffs at 8-3 with 6 DI wins. How, one year later, could we be held out at 10-2, much less 11-1 or 12-0? If we lose Saturday, and then again to Elon, that's 10-2 with 8 DI wins. That's a really good resume...

Sadly, a resume that will no have pop to it because Youngstown State is the signature win, and the Penguins look like a 4-8 club at best this year. 10-2 won't even have Liberty in the conversation. That much I'm sure of.

With only sixteen teams, I don't know why an LU fan would think that 10-2 SHOULD get in. 11-1, good chance- 12-0, we would most likely be in the top 10-12 and I would think there would be a only a slim chance that we wouldn't go. Let's hope for 12-0.

LU- 24
LC- 13

att: 14,355

10-2 may get you in, at that point it would really depend on who else is fighting for the at large bids. If it is a situation like last year with a bunch of 7 win teams 10-2 may be good enough (even with the D-II games)

[RagingTireFire]

I would expect that there will a lot more eligible teams this year simply based on the fact that a 12-game schedule vs. an 11-game schedule allows teams one more opportunity to get to the standard.

If we finish at 10-2, that will have meant that we ---

• A). won our conference but lost to both of the two well-regarded programs on our schedule in Elon or Lafayette
  B). lost to one of the above but also lost a conference game, which would put our conference title hopes in jeopardy
  C). beat both of the above but lost two conference games which would almost surely cost us the conference title

10-2 will NOT get us there.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

LU - 31
LC - 10

Attendence : 14,861 +/- 28

I dont think Ive seen a single person on AGS predict a Lafayette win, and most of the people on their talking about it are Lafayette fans.

[Schfourteenteen]

Lafayette is a very small school....2500 students, of which almost half are female....

If we only had 1200 females... I would be in trouble... I mean what am I supposed to do after my freshman year? I would have already been through all of my options

You would be at Easton High, Philipsburg High, even checking out the Konkrete Kids of Nazereth

[flameshaw]

Sadly, a resume that will no have pop to it because Youngstown State is the signature win, and the Penguins look like a 4-8 club at best this year. 10-2 won't even have Liberty in the conversation. That much I'm sure of.

With only sixteen teams, I don't know why an LU fan would think that 10-2 SHOULD get in. 11-1, good chance- 12-0, we would most likely be in the top 10-12 and I would think there would be a only a slim chance that we wouldn't go. Let's hope for 12-0.

LU- 24
LC- 13

att: 14,355

10-2 may get you in, at that point it would really depend on who else is fighting for the at large bids. If it is a situation like last year with a bunch of 7 win teams 10-2 may be good enough (even with the D-II games)

Hey FT, welcome to the board. We look forward to playing a Lafayette team with lots of tradition. Hopefully it will be a great game, of course I hope LU comes out on top, this will help our chances for a playoff spot. Look forward to some additional conversation beofre and after the game.

[Franks Tanks]

With only sixteen teams, I don't know why an LU fan would think that 10-2 SHOULD get in. 11-1, good chance- 12-0, we would most likely be in the top 10-12 and I would think there would be a only a slim chance that we wouldn't go. Let's hope for 12-0.

LU- 24
LC- 13

att: 14,355

10-2 may get you in, at that point it would really depend on who else is fighting for the at large bids. If it is a situation like last year with a bunch of 7 win teams 10-2 may be good enough (even with the D-II games)

Hey FT, welcome to the board. We look forward to playing a Lafayette team with lots of tradition. Hopefully it will be a great game, of course I hope LU comes out on top, this will help our chances for a playoff spot. Look forward to some additional conversation beofre and after the game.

Thank You. I was initially planning on coming down to the game as I absolutely love the Western Virginia mountains. However a knee surgery and an wedding this weekend will make that impossible. I hate when life gets in the way of football.

Anyway I do think you guys will come out on top unless we can get our offense in gear. But I think it will be a close game and Liberty probably wins by less then 10. Also I do hope you guys get a shot at the playoffs, I would like to see if you can do some damage.