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By RagingTireFire
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#200213
Champion wrote:
olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
That's just stupid. When you're ahead and have the ball at the end of the game, you DO NOT give it back to the other team for ANY reason. That's basic Football 101. Falling down at the 1 was the smartest and most unselfish thing RJ could have possibly done. He sacrificed his own stats for the sake of making certain that the team won. That's the action of a guy who legitimately understands the game and understands his role in it.

Incidentally, you know what's far far far more impressive to voters than a double-digit margin of victory? 5-0.
By olldflame
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#200214
RagingTireFire wrote:
Champion wrote:
olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
That's just stupid. When you're ahead and have the ball at the end of the game, you DO NOT give it back to the other team for ANY reason. That's basic Football 101. Falling down at the 1 was the smartest and most unselfish thing RJ could have possibly done. He sacrificed his own stats for the sake of making certain that the team won. That's the action of a guy who legitimately understands the game and understands his role in it.

Incidentally, you know what's far far far more impressive to voters than a double-digit margin of victory? 5-0.
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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By Iwasneverhere
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#200216
RagingTireFire wrote:
Champion wrote:
olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
That's just stupid. When you're ahead and have the ball at the end of the game, you DO NOT give it back to the other team for ANY reason. That's basic Football 101. Falling down at the 1 was the smartest and most unselfish thing RJ could have possibly done. He sacrificed his own stats for the sake of making certain that the team won. That's the action of a guy who legitimately understands the game and understands his role in it.

Incidentally, you know what's far far far more impressive to voters than a double-digit margin of victory? 5-0.
:bowdown
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By "R" i "
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#200217
I was really impressed with our play calling in the fourth. We were only up eight and they had just scored with about 7 minutes left.

We came out and threw the ball three straight times. That put them on their heels and we ended up marching and scoring three. I know that last week the 3rd and four interception might have not been brilliant. but playing to win and not just playing not to loose shows great confindence in Brock and our team. Nicely done OC and Brock.
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By Sly Fox
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#200218
The Old Hags have it on this one. Believe it or not, I'll bet that gesture by Rashad will not only help his chances of playing on Sundays but the buzz from the play may actually help our playoff chances. And trust me that there will be coaches talking about it.

Has anyone posted it on YouTube yet? If not, it needs to be done so folks can understand exactly what happened.
By SuperJon
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#200224
Schfourteenteen wrote: Jon Crawford probably had the worst game I can recall (from a fan's stand point). As a player known for his hands he muffed a punt and dropped two passes.


You may not have been able to see it, but he also threw down a guy that was trying to tackle him. The guy came up on a kickoff and tried to make a big hit and J5 just picked him and threw him down. It looked like he choke slammed the guy.
Schfourteenteen wrote:Defensively, we just could not stop the pass. Say what you want about underneath's, but the underneath would turn into 10-15 yards because we werent nearby to begin with. Maybe slower linebackers, maybe just bad coverage, whatever.
I'm going to have to disagree a little bit here. Some of it goes back to the slipping thing I mentioned. A lot of times we had a guy there to make a tackle, they made a cut, we miss the tackle, and it's 6-7 yards before the next defender is there. It wasn't bad coverage, but moreso missed tackles.
Schfourteenteen wrote:Question: 3rd and GL at the 6. We stopped them, but had a penalty against them. So instead of 4th and 6 and taking the FG, we take the penalty making it 3rd and 16. Why? It's not like we ever stopped them until then, take the points and run. Lucky for us they shot themselves in the foot and had to take a FG in the end, but man why do that again?
They were going to go for it on fourth down anyways. They weren't going to kick the field goal. It's better to have them take two chances from the 16 than one chance from the six.
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By Rooster Cogburn
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#200225
I'm glad I stayed out of this one, the right answer won in the end!
GO FLAMES! Can't wait for Saturday at the BILL! This should be a huge crowd!
By olldflame
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#200228
I refuse to gloat.





































:woohoo :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo

:cartwheels :cartwheels :cartwheels :cartwheels

:pbjtime :pbjtime :pbjtime :pbjtime

:dance :dance :dance :dance

:oldhag :oldhag :oldhag :oldhag RULE!!!!!
By Rocketfan
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#200238
RagingTireFire wrote:
Champion wrote:
olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
Incidentally, you know what's far far far more impressive to voters than a double-digit margin of victory? 5-0.
by that logic we would be ranked in the top 5 then because very few teams are undefeated.
By olldflame
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#200239
Rocketfan wrote:
olldflame wrote:
And where does "putting them away" stop and "running up the score" begin?:dontgetit
If your old and can't answer this.....at this point we can't help you....
Why are you throwing it back to me? If you know the answer, tell us. I admit I don't because there is no answer. It's whatever you want it to be.
By Ed Dantes
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#200246
If you're up by five (as we were) and we score a touchdown, that's not 'running up the score'. Furthermore, this is football, not men's soccer, and unlike in men's soccer, the athletes on the field are not girls. There is no such thing as 'running up the score' in football; if the opposing team cries about it, they can get a sex change and play soccer like the rest of the pansies.

That being said, RJ made a smart football decision. Going for the kneel instead of the score means that the game is in our hands, not theirs -- and as CLang astutely pointed out earlier, our defense was on the field for 29 of 30 plays, and probably tired. Might as well let them stay on the sidelines, instead of putting them in a position where they have to save the game for us (people have come back from two possessions down and won -- it's rare, but it happens -- and it happens more often than a team who fumbles the snap while trying to kneel).
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By Fumblerooskies
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#200251
Ed Dantes wrote: There is no such thing as 'running up the score' in football; if the opposing team cries about it, they can get a sex change and play soccer like the rest of the pansies.
Post of the season...and thus a new sig line is born.
By olldflame
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#200255
A lot of this is semantics, but clearly there are times when scoring more points actually decreases your odds of winning the game you are playing (as in last night) or future games (as in leaving starters in too long and risking injury in a blowout just to make the score look more impressive). This is what I would call running up the score. Otherwise, I'm with Ed. If you don't want to be blown out, you need to man up and play better football.


BTW something that hasn't been mentioned. More than one team in the position CC was in last night has had their defense basically stand there and allow the opponent to score because that was the only way they could get the ball back. I'm not saying that is what happened (I don't think it was), but once RJ had the first down last night, CC would have been stupid to tackle him.
By Mixitup
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#200263
I really believe it was to prevent any further injuries. We would have had to kick off. Our Coverage team is a hard hitting group. We don't need anything to happen that would result in an injury. Remember Torpedo Tim at YSU? It also would have put our defense on the field again. RJ downing the ball had nothing to do with trying to be nice to DB and his team. It was a smart move by him and should be left as such. The arguments about running up the score are just nonsense.
By olldflame
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#200269
When did anyone remotely suggest it was done to be nice? It was done for one reason. To assure that CC would not get their hands on the ball again and that we could take a couple of knees, run out the clock and win the game. Nothing else. I guarantee you the idea of someone getting injured on the kickoff never entered anyone's mind. Football players (and coaches) don't think that way. They can't afford to.
By Mixitup
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#200271
olldflame wrote:When did anyone remotely suggest it was done to be nice? It was done for one reason. To assure that CC would not get their hands on the ball again and that we could take a couple of knees, run out the clock and win the game. Nothing else. I guarantee you the idea of someone getting injured on the kickoff never entered anyone's mind. Football players (and coaches) don't think that way. They can't afford to.
That's your opinion. Doesn't make much sense to me. As a coach you are always concerned about the well being of your players that's one of the reasons you take your first string out in a blowout. No one wants to think about injuries but we sure have a lot on our team to think about and don't need anymore. I'm done second guessing the coach. He is proving to be a great leader on and off the field and deserves nothing but praise.
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By Cider Jim
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#200277
olldflame wrote:When did anyone remotely suggest it was done to be nice?
That's exactly how the MASN announcers called it. They described the play with phrases like:
"what an act of sportsmanship"
"Class of Rashad Jennings"
"Win by 5 instead of a pointless touchdown"
"He continues to impress"
"That's what should be on Sportscenter tonight"
"What a message sent by Rashad Jennings"
"Most players would have taken another score"
"How does he think about that while he is running the football?
"Very intelligent football player"
Also, on the MASN game, I kept hearing a rooster call whenever Coastal would make a good play. I'm assuming that is broadcast over the PA sytem, which I think is a pretty creative idea. Was the rooster sound loud and clear in the stands?
By Mixitup
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#200281
Cider Jim wrote:
olldflame wrote:When did anyone remotely suggest it was done to be nice?
That's exactly how the MASN announcers called it. They described the play with phrases like:
"what an act of sportsmanship"
"Class of Rashad Jennings"
"Win by 5 instead of a pointless touchdown"
"He continues to impress"
"That's what should be on Sportscenter tonight"
"What a message sent by Rashad Jennings"
"Most players would have taken another score"
"How does he think about that while he is running the football?
"Very intelligent football player"
Also, on the MASN game, I kept hearing a rooster call whenever Coastal would make a good play. I'm assuming that is broadcast over the PA sytem, which I think is a pretty creative idea. Was the rooster sound loud and clear in the stands?
It was loud and clear in the stadium. After a while some people started saying "eat mor chiken" every time they heard it.
By olldflame
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#200287
Danny Rocco in postgame interview: "Rashad Jennings made a great decision there at the end of the game to just run the clock out" "It was all about the clock there at the end of the game."

Can you imagine Rocco saying "We didn't want to score there at the end of the game, cause kickoffs are dangerous, and somebody could get hurt" Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! :rofl
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By PAmedic
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#200288
absturgill wrote: This was the first game I've been able to watch and not rely on the audio stream. It seemed to me like #24 the strong safety for LU was missing a lot of tackles. Are they running a different defensive package or am I just crazy?
HEY HEY HEY, NOW :shock:

WHAT THE FREAK, HATER

8)
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By PAmedic
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#200289
SuperJon wrote:I'm not making excuses by any means, but one thing I noticed a lot of was our defensive players slipping. They would get to MacDowell, he would cut one way, and they just couldn't keep their feet underneath them to reverse direction. It was the first game we played this year on grass and the dew set pretty heavily so that may have been a reason, but that's one thing I noticed over and over, especially in the second half.
I watched much of it on MASN and had the same exact thought. Which is why I called you this morning to talk, but you were too busy freakin' sleeping to call back. Whatever.

ANYHOO- I notice Hursky go sailing on one cutback, and Rocco and THE Greiser on many. Too many. Was wondering if we couldn't get an equipment guy to change out their shoes/spikes?
By SuperJon
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#200290
PAmedic wrote: I watched much of it on MASN and had the same exact thought. Which is why I called you this morning to talk, but you were too busy freakin' sleeping to call back. Whatever.
My phone never rang. I was up at 10am and driving back to Lynchburg. I would've answered.
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By PAmedic
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#200292
Couple of things I noticed: (with all due respect to CCU players on account of my spelling)

THEM

MacDowell: WOW

Sitton: ^^^ DITTO^^^

their new-ish WR- Marquel Willis: impressive

Officials: have seen worse- honestly, really didn't think they made a huge difference either way. That facemask on us was a legit call.

Matt Hogue: doooosh


US

Brock: calm, cool, collected- probably one of the best games I've seen him play yet

Jennings: what can you say. Hope he gets a shot on Sundays.

Crawford: gonna be dangerous

Brown: un-FREAKIN' Real.

Hayes: ^^^ DITTO ^^^

Greiser: weight of the world on his shoulders (and the other DBs) and did a solid job on a QB who was on FIRE. It happens. Sometimes you catch a guy having a career night. They held. But they need to do better.

Coaches Rocco/Wach: Phenominal. This offense makes me wet my pants.



I HAVE SPOKEN
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By SuperJon
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#200293
Crawford is a senior.
Coaching changes

It appears your intel was on the mark.