[RagingTireFire]

In that vein, I seem to remember a QB who transferred from Oklahoma to Charleston Southern a few years ago with some amount of fanfare. The Sports Network even had him in their summer Top Ten Transfers to Watch.

He never played a down.


Read that again. He never. Played. A down. At Charleston Southern.

[Stevev]

That is pretty bad. There are no guarantees in the transfer world and LU has certainly had its share of flops (JK Scott and Paul Troth come to mind) but you have to get exited when a transfer like Chapman comes in here and he was ranked 28th out of all players who were recruited out of high school that year.

[SuperJon]

Asa Chapman is not a transfer. He is a freshman.

[Stevev]

I thought that he would be considered a transfer since he committed to WVU even though he never played there. I might be wrong in labeling him a transfer.

[SuperJon]

You are.

He is a freshman.

Chris Summers committed to Louisville but came here and wasn't considered a transfer.

Logic - it's great.

[SumItUp]

[coolhandluke]

These snappy dick comments are definitely popcorn worthy. Where's TO?

[coolhandluke]

To automatically assume an "ACC level player" is going to beat out anybody who is already in the program is treacherous. Kent Hicks and Ryan Best are perfect examples. Hicks was average at best last year despite signing at Virginia Tech; and Best was very good when used in certain situations but wasn't steady enough to earn a starting role.

People say the same things about the kid who transferred from Miami to Coastal to play QB. Well, if he was good enough to go to Miami, he should win the starting job, right? (Is he even still there?) Or the QB who went from Clemson to Chuck South. Same deal. Sometimes you'll get talents like Rashad Jennings and Vince Redd, who are clearly superior to the level of competition in the Big South. Sometimes you get FBS transfers who have a minimum level of impact. But to just say "he's FBS, he should start right away" is not always the right conclusion.

yeah, it doesn't matter if he was an ACC caliber player or not, you need to play the best player. One of my friends is a walk on 0-linemen and he is doing so well that he is number 2 on the depth chart right now. If he becomes the better player, he should start, period. That's the point I am trying to make.

["R" i "]

Luke..................
we all know the best player should play.

get some new material or stop posting.

[Chris Lang]

Luke, wasn't necessarily singling you out. But there's a pervading view among fans of FCS football that anyone who was either an FBS recruit or an FBS transfer will automatically dominate FCS football. I just don't think it's that cut and dried.

[coolhandluke]

[quote=""R" i ""]Luke..................
we all know the best player should play.

get some new material or stop posting.[/quote]

Obviously people on here don't think that when they think we should play someone just because they are a senior/captain. I mean, if there is greater talent sitting at number 2 on the depth chart it is foolish not to play them.

[SuperJon]

No it's not. When that "greater talent" isn't as smart, isn't as in shape, isn't as familiar with the system then that "greater talent" doesn't deserve to play. That's why the people on here who constantly drool over Mike Brown or Chris Summers are so wrong. Talent is not everything. Work ethic. Weight room. Film room. Playbook knowledge. Those things are just as important as simple athletic talent.

[Schfourteenteen]

Well apparently I was, but oh well

I just dont think Chapman is better than Dugan nor will he be at the end of the year. Dugan has been a starter for a while and at this point has played a higher level of competition for the past couple years. It just makes sense that a returning starter would play better than a freshman who probably needs to lose weight.

eh eh eh
Luke I just think you didnt know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread and then hid behind the idea of "playing the best player"
Hes not going to beat out Colin Dugan. No QB will beat out Brock Smith because no one Frosh can come in and run the system better than Brock. Spencer will not beat him out and with this being the Senior year you give the ball to the 3 year starter who hasnt given a legit reason to lose his job. Same thing with Dugan. Hes a very good player and we need the experience, not the upside.

With that said, I made a mistake in thinking that Asa could/should be redshirted. I didnt realize hes as old as he is. My bad

[coolhandluke]

Luke, wasn't necessarily singling you out. But there's a pervading view among fans of FCS football that anyone who was either an FBS recruit or an FBS transfer will automatically dominate FCS football. I just don't think it's that cut and dried.

Its not cut and dry. But it is obvious that they have greater potential than a FCS player. Many times these recruits do not pan out, but if this guy does pan out, we should play him. With his body size he has potential to be a Warren Sapp type player for us if he pans out.

[jcmanson]

That's why the people on here who constantly drool over Mike Brown or Chris Summers are so wrong.

I'm trying to understand this statement. Why are they wrong? What are they wrong about?

[SuperJon]

Its not cut and dry. But it is obvious that they have greater potential than a FCS player.

Not really.

See: Jerry Rice. Terrell Owens.

FCS recruits can and routinely are just as good, if not better than the guys recruited to FBS schools not in the BCS, especially the ones who don't start at said schools.

[SuperJon]

That's why the people on here who constantly drool over Mike Brown or Chris Summers are so wrong.

I'm trying to understand this statement. Why are they wrong? What are they wrong about?

Thinking they should play right now because of their athletic talent without thinking about the other things that go into being successful other than sheer talent.

[jcmanson]

That's why the people on here who constantly drool over Mike Brown or Chris Summers are so wrong.

I'm trying to understand this statement. Why are they wrong? What are they wrong about?

Thinking they should play right now because of their athletic talent without thinking about the other things that go into being successful other than sheer talent.

That's what I thought you meant, but wanted to make sure.

[coolhandluke]

Well apparently I was, but oh well

I just dont think Chapman is better than Dugan nor will he be at the end of the year. Dugan has been a starter for a while and at this point has played a higher level of competition for the past couple years. It just makes sense that a returning starter would play better than a freshman who probably needs to lose weight.

eh eh eh
Luke I just think you didnt know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread and then hid behind the idea of "playing the best player"
Hes not going to beat out Colin Dugan. No QB will beat out Brock Smith because no one Frosh can come in and run the system better than Brock. Spencer will not beat him out and with this being the Senior year you give the ball to the 3 year starter who hasnt given a legit reason to lose his job. Same thing with Dugan. Hes a very good player and we need the experience, not the upside.

With that said, I made a mistake in thinking that Asa could/should be redshirted. I didnt realize hes as old as he is. My bad

Brock was not a 3 year starter. His first year he played behind Brock Farrell.

Also, I did know what I was talking about. I was excited about the potential of having this dude clogging up the middle. He seems like a good prospect. And yes, maybe he needs to sit behind Dugan for a year and learn from him, but maybe he will come in a dominate. If that happens, he should play. That's all I am saying.

[Mixitup]

Cool, I understand what you're saying. Chapman may come in and be a beast in camp. If he does, he will start. He won't be the first frosh in the history of the school that came in and started over a senior. I think the talk about Dugan is more loyalty than anything. I'm sure if Dugan were to lose his starting job he would understand that he gave it his all and would show nothing but supprt for his teammate.

[SuperJon]

Brock started the last half of his freshman year. He was supposed to be redshirted and in a massive blowout was thrown in the game. Towards the end of the year, Brock Smith was playing first and second down and Brock Farrell was playing third down with Zach Terrell at running back. Brock Smith has been starting for Liberty football for two full seasons and three games of the season before.

[coolhandluke]

Its not cut and dry. But it is obvious that they have greater potential than a FCS player.

Not really.

See: Jerry Rice. Terrell Owens.

FCS recruits can and routinely are just as good, if not better than the guys recruited to FBS schools not in the BCS, especially the ones who don't start at said schools.

Two examples. I mean, yeah there are great players from the former Div 1AA in the NFL but they are only a few out of many players. Bottomline, there are two series because there is a difference in talent level. Not every player that goes to a FBS school is amazing. And some FCS players are good enough to play on an FBS team. But the fact that this kid was being recruited by teams like West Virginia makes me think that he could be great. With hard work, in about 40 days, he could be ready to play in our system. But he might not work that hard and he might need a year to sit under a senior/captain and learn the system. We will only find out after the season starts and as the season progresses.

[SuperJon]

If you would've said that from the beginning instead of "I believe they will be the best talent we have on the D-line this year and therefore I believe they will start" then you wouldn't have been treated nearly the way you were. Your last post made sense. Your original one didn't.

[jcmanson]

They will start whoever proves himself to be the best.

As you guys know, I am a believer in playing the best player we have for every position. you always play your best players.

if he out performs him, then he should earn the starting job.

if he earns the spot he should get it

YOU ALWAYS PLAY THE BEST PLAYER!

if he performs better than Dugan, he should get the job

you need to play the best player

If he becomes the better player, he should start, period

maybe he will come in a dominate. If that happens, he should play

I'm not sure if I know what you're saying. Should the best player play?

[coolhandluke]

Brock started the last half of his freshman year. He was supposed to be redshirted and in a massive blowout was thrown in the game. Towards the end of the year, Brock Smith was playing first and second down and Brock Farrell was playing third down with Zach Terrell at running back. Brock Smith has been starting for Liberty football for two full seasons and three games of the season before.

Yeah, so he isn't a 3 year starter. That's what I was pointing out. I remember at the spring game the next year they were giving Brock Farrell an award and accidently called Brock Smith's name. It was really awkward and funny. But yeah, Smith was used quite a bit in the last 3 games of his freshman year. It was a prime example of an struggling senior needing to be replaced by a young, talented freshman... hmm..........

* BTW I am just saying that if somebody struggles this year, I think Rocco will be smarter than Karcher and replace them with one of our talented freshmen. I am not saying that Smith or Dugan should not be the starters or that they will struggle this year. I hope they both dominate.