[LU'sbestmanger]

people are saying that some rules are going to change like last summer. is this true?

[SuperJon]

I haven't heard jack. It wouldn't surprise me though. Please, God, let Jerry learn the invention of shorts.

[Hold My Own]

I hope not, I wish we couldnt wear jeans...I kinda like everyone looking nice in the Halls

[A.G.]

I agree with the no jeans. The dress code, such as it still exists, is pretty much out the window, anyhow.

[SuperJon]

If that were the case you'd have at least one less student.

[TallyW]

That's all it'd take?

[Hold My Own]

I think a lot of students forget they are only anywhere from 1-4 years away from their 9 to 5 job

scrach that 1 to 4 cause I know a guy going into his 7th year...we call him wilder

[SuperJon]

I never would've came to LU if the dress code was how it used to be. The most my job will require dressing up is at most a pair of khakis and a polo. At a 9-5 job, I'd be getting paid to dress nice. At school, I'd be paying to dress nice. It's not happenin.

[TDDance234]

I didn't mind dressing up. The tie was a bit much but khakis and a button down didn't matter much to me.

What kind of rumors have you heard?

[A.G.]

I never would've came to LU if the dress code was how it used to be.

Can you say, "RETENTION" and "INCREASED ENROLLMENT," class?

[SuperJon]

My point exactly. That's why I think the next dress code change will allow for modest shorts for men (girls can already wear skirts and capris, they don't need shorts). The guys would still hafta wear a collared shirt. That's the only logical step if they were to try and get more retention and enrollment.

[LU'sbestmanger]

I didn't mind dressing up. The tie was a bit much but khakis and a button down didn't matter much to me.

What kind of rumors have you heard?

i've heard alot about the curfew

[Hold My Own]

UUUUGGGGGHHHHHH i hope not

[PeterParker]

I've spoken with the alumni I know, and we discussed what rules would be good to flex or eliminate...

As for dress code: Bring on the shorts, while the ties created an atmosphere, there is plenty of working years having to wear a tie/polo to make up for being able to sport shorts for four years in school. The one benefit to the ties/collared shirts thing is that once you graduated you didn't have to go on a Marshall's/TJ Maxx shopping binge to be able to show up for work (usually wipes out your first paycheck.)

As for curfew: 2 o'clock on campus (reasonable) and once on campus you are responsible for yourself--have too many nights of 2 1/2 hour sleep, you'll find yourself migrating to an earlier bedtime. (Also, elimination of signing out to go anywhere for the weekends, students are adults and responsible for themselves...if the same student lived in town they could leave whenever they wanted to--if liability is an issue have student and parent sign a waiver during application process.)

One thing that was a general consensus cocnerned the cumbersome nuisance of hall meeting at 10 pm on Thursday because of the time. Since some still liked the community aspect of the meeting and logistics component (delineating information, etc.) instead of scrapping it, move it to Wednesdays in place of Convo since most people are already up and about. Have Convo twice a week (Monday/Friday) with a prescribed tiered amount of Convo's one must attend (Freshman 90%, Sophomores 75%, Juniors 60%, Seniors 50%--by the time one is a senior many are taking a few classes and working or doing internships or student teaching, etc.--also helps alleviate the crowding problem. I think Baylor, Messiah and other universities with Convos with tiered attendance.) How many times was required Hall meeting a nuisance when trying to finish up a paper or meet with a team for a project, or for the nurses and student teachers who were just ready to go to bed about half-way through an overzealous RA's marathon hall meeting. This slight adjustment would retain the things that make a Hall meeting productive and useful and eliminate unnecessary intrusion on one's evening time.

[TallyW]

What nonsense.

Retention and enrollment has been going well (see the post about the high-rise dorm). I'd seriously doubt that LU is growing simply because of the dress code. That is a shallow argument. Yes it adds to the overall change in atmosphere but it's not a sole reason.

As for some of the other concerns... they are alleviated with a disciplined schedule.

[Sly Fox]

I understand the feelings of current students regarding the dress code. Hey, I felt the same way when I was on campus with a much stricter code than now exists. But looking back I am glad I was taught the discipline (ouch, taboo word for today's students) that came from dressing professionally. I believe it gave our students an advantage entering the workforce that was evident in the hiring process. I understand social standards have changed over time and you can find work dressed like a slob. But the discipline is invaluable once your on your career path (as opposed to working a job ... there's a BIG difference). But that is just one man's opinion and frankly its not that important in light of other proposed changes.

The idea of further diminishing the role of convo (chapel for us old hags) is something I find much more distasteful. I understand the logistical challenges but considering the constant lowering of religious requirements of the school to appease accreditors. But we have to draw the line somewhere as to what is our Spirtual foundation. But I realize that is a rather unpopular mindset on campus these days it seems.

[cheerbren]

I loved the dress code when I was there and realize now that it is what makes LU different. I also think that back in the day having to attend chapel/church 6 times a week was a bit much but sitting through them in my dazed haze from lack of sleep really did make me listen to some very good teaching. The curfew and signing out was not much of an issue of mine as I like sleep and liked a time frame as to when to start homework which was always midnight.

[ALUmnus]

I love the age-old argument that students are adults and the rules treat them like children, so ditch the rules. Well, they've been doing that, and the only thing it has proved is that the students can't handle it like adults, and instead, are acting like children. They need to bring back some of the rules, because honestly, some of the things that I'm seeing and hearing around campus disgust me from a Christian perspective. I had to wear a tie all four years I was there, started out when TVs weren't allowed, beards weren't allowed, etc, etc. But guess what? People can handle it, and the school was still growing at an amazing rate. I have a feeling that Jerry is playing dumb with what's happening to the school morally and socially, and would be appalled if he know what Liberty is turning into.

[bigsmooth]

what things are you seeing and hearing that bother you? im just curious. as a semi-old hag, i personally liked the dress code thing, but i too understand times change and kids these days are "softer".

[givemethemic]

Softer? NO we are just smarter!!!!!! My best buddy is a stock analyst in Philly and he never has to wear a tie. Times have changed and we can be different from public university's but I think that what you wear has nothing to do with how succesful you will be!!!! I still got love for you Smoothie you know your my boy

[LUconn]

I don't think the point of the dress code ever had any correlation with post-college success.

[bigsmooth]

smarter???? easy GMTM....you are in no position to be making that comment. .....GIMME THE TYPO brother. and GMTM, despite the fact that many places of business have less formal dress codes, many still require ties. apperances are everything. sometimes people will talk or not talk to you depending on how you dress....hmmm. popped up collared pink shirt hanging out or a nice brooks brothers suit??? i know my answer. you would have never made at LU back in the day my friend...love ya too my man!

[givemethemic]

You know I am just giving you a hard time... I have had to deal with dress codes ever since grdae school, so I all I owe is collard shirts and dress shirts and ties!!! I really could honestly care less about the dress code now, my jaw dropped when they said that we could wear jeans this past year!!!! Smoothie you are smarter then what I had previously given you credit for... Brooks Brothers are the best clothes that $$$$ can buy, it's all in the name baby!!!!

[Guest]

as a 21-year-old at this great unviersity, i think i pertains as much to females as males that having a dress code does teach us what i means to be professional in a work atmosphere. while i do agree with the member above who stated that the goal of the dress code probably wasn't post-grad success, it does teach a valable lesson on professionalism.

Girls on our campus don't know how to dress properly too often, and the same holds true for guys. so when opportunities arise when dressing up a level or two is necessary, we just don't know how, or how to carry ourselves when we do. Girls don't know how to be modest in skirts, guys look to uncomfortable when dressed up, and in both cases, performance falters.

While it may not have been the goal, I think there are valuable lessons to be learned from dressing to a higher standard now. And while it isn't fair, what we wear does have an influence on what others think of us. That's just the way the world is. Can't argue that.

[A.G.]

I think you are missing the whole point of a dress code: DISCIPLINE. If you are more disciplined in dress, then that "should" carry over to the other aspects of your life. Look at the public schools that have instituted dress codes--school discipline improves. There is certainly nothing wrong with looking nice.