[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Sorry, I was too mad to post last night, but here it is

TeeJay played like he wanted to Be there, Alex played like he wanted to be there, but I dont think anyone else did.

Smitty Started hott and attacked the hole first thing and I was so excited cause thats what we have needed, but they locked him up.

We had a terrible gameplan.

I think our coach was more concerned on tricking Eddie and the other coaches with the Kenny George Back and forth thing.

For some reason we made no adjustments, I know sometimes you dont need to, but we did.

Kenny played really well in a lot of minutes, I thought he was going to Die, but he did his job (Looked Scary)

KJ Garland is still a bum, just a lucky bum

Smithson is amazing in that gym.... He can do whatever he wants in there it looks like

There was so poor officiating, but not nearly as bad as the last time we were there

Ohman did a wonderful job of doing nothing productive, and so did Anderson

I want to know why Rell Didnt play more than that! That really pisses me off, he is a lockdown defender and can hit an open 3

I think that when we subbed Alex out it should have been for russ and made them leave George in, because if they saw size with size they wouldhave have a choice, we would kill them in the post if they didnt have george

We got raped on the boards

I dont think BJ played bad, but it def wasnt the BJ of late, he will be ok tho

It sure looks to me like we are improving by "Leaps and bounds"

but hey, Live by the 3, die by the 3

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

It was funny. but stupid coaching

[SuperJon]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

It was funny. but stupid coaching

Disagree completely, and everyone I've talked to that has either played or coached in college (not a shot at you, I've just asked different people to help form my own opinion) said it was a great game plan, we just didn't execute.

[LUconn]

how on earth was that a great gameplan? 4 UNCA guys had no reason to move inside the 3 point line. How were we supposed to get open looks with nobody keeping them honest on the inside? If there's a 100% possibility that you're going to shoot a 3 pointer, that's not hard to defend.

[kingaling42]

thesportscritic
Scorched Earth

SJ i well.......like you sometimes ........jk. but if you go back and read some of my posts i did slowly change my mind about their guards. To me they are decent but they are not all that. their guards out played ours and they deserved to win the ball game. they didn't impress me when they came to the Vines Center back a few weeks ago. I don't really care if they were injured because if memory serves me right one of them was injured that evening and didn't play much or at all. They got those bounces because they are at home where they are comfortable at anyway.

Actually Bryan Smithson had one injury prior to the LU game at the Vines Center (plantar fasciitis) and then early in that game he tweaked his other ankle-, granted he played a bunch of minutes but with 2 "knocked up" ankle/foot issues - I think you have to understand he was limited in his athletic type of game. I understand you only saw him up there and last night or perhaps all 3 times this year- did you see the Carolina game against their guards?? He torched the Tarheels from all over the court as he has done all year when healthy- As SuperJon eluded and I expand- Bryan is lightning quick and blows by defenders all the time, can shoot anywhere- especially long and mid-range jumpers, and if you sleep on him around the rim because he's only 6'- well he's dunked on many guys the past 2 years- you should check out some of his YouTube dunks- it's ahhh-mazing for his height..

With KJ- I know you guys are sore with him from earlier in the year- but KJ makes the engine run as a point guard should- he's also a potent scorer from not only beyond the arc but his driving ability combined with the floater and tear drop shot in the lane (lots of practice trying to shoot over Kenny in practice) is unblockable and a signature move.. We will truly have a tough time replacing them next year- but that's for another time!

These 2 guards are the best guard tandem IMHO (yes I'm a UNCA fan and biased) in the BSC- they have scored, set up other guys and lead the #1 team all year long with more consistency than any other duo in the league

So far as the argument about IF Kenny wasn't on the court- What gives?? OK then let us take every teams game changing player out and have that argument- that seems dumb- Carolina isn't the #1 team without Tyler H, etc, etc.. Kenny is more than simply a very tall guy with a jersey- his basketball IQ shows as you get past his size and actually watch him play. His ability to involve other guys is the separating factor- he's a good team player not just someone depositing balls into the hoop occasionally- though that's cool too!

I do believe for those folks previously questioning Bryan, KJ, and Kenny's BSC awards should have a better idea of why they were selected to All-BSC teams and individual player awards

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

It was funny. but stupid coaching

Disagree completely, and everyone I've talked to that has either played or coached in college (not a shot at you, I've just asked different people to help form my own opinion) said it was a great game plan, we just didn't execute.

I thought some of it was good in the beginning to take them off their game, but when you do it for 20 min all your doing is focusing on that and not on our coaching of whats going on on the floor. All I know Is to take them off their game for a bit its cool, but We need to have more focus than that than to play circus games, It was just part of a bad game plan

[SuperJon]

how on earth was that a great gameplan? 4 UNCA guys had no reason to move inside the 3 point line. How were we supposed to get open looks with nobody keeping them honest on the inside? If there's a 100% possibility that you're going to shoot a 3 pointer, that's not hard to defend.

I think we should've shot more mid-range jumpers, but we had open looks, we just didn't know them down. Jeremy, Kyle, Anthony, and BJ shot 27% on the game. They normally shoot 43% between them. We just didn't execute offensively. We missed four free throws at the end of the game that would've put us right back in the game. Had we made those, it's a completely different story and Asheville doesn't run away with things.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

how on earth was that a great gameplan? 4 UNCA guys had no reason to move inside the 3 point line. How were we supposed to get open looks with nobody keeping them honest on the inside? If there's a 100% possibility that you're going to shoot a 3 pointer, that's not hard to defend.

Amen

[checkmate]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

Taking Alex out of the game for more than a segment or two is not to our advantage. Alex is a great post and could have created many problems in a variety of ways that weren't explored. Play your game and it would not be an 18 point season ending blowout.

[Rocketfan]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

It was funny. but stupid coaching

Disagree completely, and everyone I've talked to that has either played or coached in college (not a shot at you, I've just asked different people to help form my own opinion) said it was a great game plan, we just didn't execute.

Your not talking to enough people....it worked a few times, but at some point you gotta attack him and not try to keep getting him to run back and forth to the check in table....

[SuperJon]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

Taking Alex out of the game for more than a segment or two is not to our advantage. Alex is a great post and could have created many problems in a variety of ways that weren't explored. Play your game and it would not be an 18 point season ending blowout.

Did you watch the game? How is he supposed to play his game against Kenny George? I'm asking that seriously.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

Taking Alex out of the game for more than a segment or two is not to our advantage. Alex is a great post and could have created many problems in a variety of ways that weren't explored. Play your game and it would not be an 18 point season ending blowout.

Did you watch the game? How is he supposed to play his game against Kenny George? I'm asking that seriously.

You set low screens...

You could tell TeeJay to dribble to the baseline under the basket and stand there and make George face him and ave guy crash to the basket because he cant react quick enough... You put Rell or Russ In to set screens.... There is so much you can do besides Jack 3's

[checkmate]

Did anyone think the cat and mouse thing with Kenny George and Alex was "over-coaching?" I thought it was a great game plan, but Asheville's beat writer is saying it was over-coaching. I disagree with him, but wanted to see if anyone agreed.

Taking Alex out of the game for more than a segment or two is not to our advantage. Alex is a great post and could have created many problems in a variety of ways that weren't explored. Play your game and it would not be an 18 point season ending blowout.

Did you watch the game? How is he supposed to play his game against Kenny George? I'm asking that seriously.

I don't get paid a couple hundred thousand a year....but I know AM was 6/9 fgs, 1/2 3fgs, and 5/5 fts for 18 pts in 26 mins. Ohman and Anderson were 3/14 in 55 minutes. We got smashed 38/19 on the glass. It look like we were running a circus instead of a competitive gameplan. AM is tough to guard facing up at 10-12 ft. drive and draw some body instead of a late possession fade away prayer.

[checkmate]

Also run him hard for four straight trips and bienbach will take him out. Instead of letting him rest in the lane while we run, dribble and circle with no purpose.

[SuperJon]

We didn't have late possession fade away prayers. We drove to the basket and looked to kick out to someone open. Some possessions it took longer than others.

Alex can't face up Kenny George because the only play to shoot a mid-range jumped against him if he's guarding you is just inside the three point line. He can alter or block everything else.

Once again, had we actually knocked down the good looks that we had, we wouldn't have lost this game. If anyone thinks the score is indicative of how we played they didn't watch the game or have a vendetta.

[olldflame]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

HAHAHAHAHHA We Didnt take advantage of perimeter looks at all... Look at the stat line.

[Rocketfan]

We didn't have late possession fade away prayers.

Now thats not true, although some of it can be left up to a bit on interpretation....TJ and BJ both took some fade away shots late in the shot clock. Anderson was always fading one way or the other all night it seemed. He didn't have his standard time to set and shot, instead he tried to shot off screens and thats never been his game this year that ive seen.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

We didn't have late possession fade away prayers. We drove to the basket and looked to kick out to someone open. Some possessions it took longer than others.

Alex can't face up Kenny George because the only play to shoot a mid-range jumped against him if he's guarding you is just inside the three point line. He can alter or block everything else.

Once again, had we actually knocked down the good looks that we had, we wouldn't have lost this game. If anyone thinks the score is indicative of how we played they didn't watch the game or have a vendetta.

Your first point, Agreed.

Second point, Sure he can turn an face him... and play out high enough to make a guard help and then find the open man.

Third point, Thanks John Madden haha "Whoever scores the most points wins" haha sorry, I think the score shows of how we played, look at their FG% and look at ours, Look at their defense and look at ours, Look at their points in the paint and look at ours, If you look at the overall game, we were dominated and it shows.

[checkmate]

We didn't have late possession fade away prayers. We drove to the basket and looked to kick out to someone open. Some possessions it took longer than others.

Alex can't face up Kenny George because the only play to shoot a mid-range jumped against him if he's guarding you is just inside the three point line. He can alter or block everything else.

Once again, had we actually knocked down the good looks that we had, we wouldn't have lost this game. If anyone thinks the score is indicative of how we played they didn't watch the game or have a vendetta.

I got no vendetta, We got beat by eigthteen and they dribbled out the last minute. IF is a big word open to all kinds of imaginary possiblities. KG can not move if you get him at 10' or as tbggr said screen him. But again you are committed to defending anything this athletic administration or staff does. I appreciate the dialogue but this could have been a one possession game not a blowout, with AM cheering 10-12 more minutes than he should have. Even the ESPN guys were critical of his lack of touches.

[checkmate]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

of course and if Coach Bienbach would have only scheduled us for a game of H-O-R-S-E we might have won.

[RagingTireFire]

KG can not move if you get him at 10' or as tbggr said screen him. But again you are committed to defending anything this athletic administration or staff does. I appreciate the dialogue but this could have been a one possession game not a blowout, with AM cheering 10-12 more minutes than he should have. Even the ESPN guys were critical of his lack of touches.

Well, if ESPN says it...

That's just dumb. George -- in case you hadn't heard -- is nearly 8 feet tall. There's no reason for him to come 10' away from the basket at all. You also can't screen him down low b/c he's tall enough to simply reach over whoever the unfortunate screen man is and his wingspan is wide enough to alter shots even with the screen.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

KG can not move if you get him at 10' or as tbggr said screen him. But again you are committed to defending anything this athletic administration or staff does. I appreciate the dialogue but this could have been a one possession game not a blowout, with AM cheering 10-12 more minutes than he should have. Even the ESPN guys were critical of his lack of touches.

Well, if ESPN says it...

That's just dumb. George -- in case you hadn't heard -- is nearly 8 feet tall. There's no reason for him to come 10' away from the basket at all. You also can't screen him down low b/c he's tall enough to simply reach over whoever the unfortunate screen man is and his wingspan is wide enough to alter shots even with the screen.

Well obviously you have never seen him play because he does come 10' away from the basket when needed. And its not the screen that stops him, its the switch on the screen and the roll off the screen. Theres so many aspects to a good screen and if rell was Screening he might be able to draw a charge as well... All we are sying is there are many different ways to play against him, not just jack 3's

[kingaling42]

Honestly- I'm not sure what the fascination with setting screens 10 to 15 ft out on Kenny would have done for you guys exactly- it would have been a change of pace from relying so heavily on 3's all night- typically sooner or later the percentages play out.. You guys weren't making open shots so shooting with some pressure even if you got a size advantage in a pick and switch scenario, doesn't seem to solve much if you're not shooting well.. The 5 guard line up worked for much of the game- you guys made a bunch of open threes for a while as Kenny isn't leaving the paint much- it worked until it got amusing with your coaches trying to be too cute at times with the substitutions and then you guys started missing those same shots late in the game although we didn't give up as many open looks late- the other thing that hurt in terms of the final score was when you guys pressed us- our guards dissected the pressure and led to some easy points and dunks off tip passes- plus we make free throws in the clutch.

So far as the KG strategy- Think about this way- Kenny doesn't guard anybody closely- so he's a good 5 feet away at least. He doesn't have to with his size and wingspan and secondly because players would drive around him. At ten feet out and considering his wingspan of 8 1/2 feet he can block shots by taking one (small) step wherever they drive him- granted he's slow but he's not that slow!! He keeps his hands straight up so he doesn't pick up many fouls (he hasn't been in foul trouble all year folks!) Earlier this year AZ Reid in the first HPU game tried to shoot a jumper just a foot or so beyond the free throw line at 16 feet out- Kenny in the middle of the paint and prob 8 feet away blocks it easily.. Next possession Reid gets Kenny off his feet (not much jump but he got the big fella to commit) inside the FT line and drives to the rim- Kenny recovers, takes one good step and blocks it on the glass with both hands..

Screening him also brings another one of our guys into the fold- if you screen Kenny that close to the basket which he doesn't drift too much further out of the lane he can still alter shots and he effectively can defend 2 guys from shooting inside of 10 feet- plus we'd have another defender somewhere in the mix.. You guys have seen what he did last year up there as many of you have stated- He's just a game changing player and like I said last night- you guys really NEVER challenged him

[checkmate]

KG can not move if you get him at 10' or as tbggr said screen him. But again you are committed to defending anything this athletic administration or staff does. I appreciate the dialogue but this could have been a one possession game not a blowout, with AM cheering 10-12 more minutes than he should have. Even the ESPN guys were critical of his lack of touches.

Well, if ESPN says it...

That's just dumb. George -- in case you hadn't heard -- is nearly 8 feet tall. There's no reason for him to come 10' away from the basket at all. You also can't screen him down low b/c he's tall enough to simply reach over whoever the unfortunate screen man is and his wingspan is wide enough to alter shots even with the screen.

Well obviously you have never seen him play because he does come 10' away from the basket when needed. And its not the screen that stops him, its the switch on the screen and the roll off the screen. Theres so many aspects to a good screen and if rell was Screening he might be able to draw a charge as well... All we are sying is there are many different ways to play against him, not just jack 3's

You keep this up and you be branded like grm and yours truly. Like I have said with some on here facts don't matter but if they argue fantasy long enough, throw enough $$ in to promoting it, enough people may swallow it for new and improved.