[ToTheLeft]

saying "you are being somewhat obnoxious in this thread" is an insult? really? sorry. didn't mean it as such and didn't know you would be so sensitive. Honestly it is just quite obnoxious when someone can hardly post a thing without YOU responding: whether you were being spoken to or not.

as for the mean, judgemental, and crazy: i take back the....umm....well let me re word: you are acting Mean, judgemental, and crazy.

It's an open forum, and this is a topic I am passionate about. It's an issue of people distorting the truth, and I am not ever okay with that. I don't care what the situation is.

And if trying to convey the truth to people who claim to be Christians (and I am sorry if you do not claim to be a Christian, that would be yet another misunderstanding, even tho as you said we haven't disagreed on anything, but I obviously have to cover all my bases so no one gets upset) but yet who disregard the truth of Scripture is judgmental, then I am proud to be judgmental. I am not sure how I was mean, and if I was it was no meaner than what you said. Still not sure how crazy comes into this...

[Rocketfan]

What makes you say that?

Remember you asked for this.....You are the biggest crier this board has ever seen, females included. It baffles me that you make fun of anyone for "Crying". Plus your pickin on a girl for goodness sake, have you been hangin out with Flamesbball84 or something? Its one thing to have some give and take, but we all know you can't take it, so when you want to dish it i find it pretty amusing. Almost like your short term memory doesn't work or you have multiple personality disorder.

How was I making fun or picking on someone? She called ME out!

and I take a lot more crap than you can even imagine. But I am not turning this into some sob story about me, the main point of this thread was going just fine until someone decided to call me out and you guys started making this personal about me. I said her question was dumb, and as i already said, her attacking me with her harsh language made me think I needed to defend myself, and I am sorry for misunderstanding.

And I hope you realize making fun of someone with a mental disorder is just about as bad as me making fun of you for wearing glasses or being white. It's not like its something I choose if in fact I did have a mental condition, it's kinda screwed up to make fun of people about that stuff.

If a girl calling you somewhat obnoxious is calling you out....you got a lot to learn. Your sensitive pants are cutting off the circulation to your brain i think. A lot more "personal" things are thrown around on this board than that, and we both know it. I didn't make fun of you, the only thing i said is your "dishing it out was amusing". But you flip flop so constantly daily something is going on, so i merely gave some examples, your completly all over the map.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, if who I am discredits my position then I am done.

It was fun guys.

[jcmanson]

Countdown to Beej's rant... 3...2...1...

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

[jcmanson]

I doubt anyone read my post about what Jerry himself had to say about the rules, but whatever.

I did, now what do I get?

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

This is a funny conversation, not to say were all horrible sinners, and though most will say TTL hasnt exactly been doing it out of love. But to me the last two pages of this thread have come down to the majority of people saying

"Its funny you could see the speck in my eye, im not denying its there, but I mean, its just funny you could see it, being as theres a 4x4 coming out of your eye."

I honestly believe that if you ever think to yourself you 'understand' God or christianity, then you dont get it at all, and by doing so, you are in a way saying "I understand this, that means i must be above it or better than it." Even if you disagree with someone or something, look at it from their point of view and try and understand what they are saying. I doubt anyone read my post about what Jerry himself had to say about the rules, because alot of what has been said by people on both sides was said in that already, but whatever.

Maybe if the majority of us took half the time we spend on FlameFans and filled it with reading a Bible there wouldnt need to be the threads like this, or the ones that always get closed, on and on and on

[SuperJon]

No one said we were not submitting to authority. We're all obeying the rules. We just disagree with them so we are challenging them. No one said we were going against them. While they are the rules, we will follow them. We just don't agree with them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. To say otherwise is about as legalistic as it gets.

From your statements, you should never go 1mph over the speed limit, and I know for a fact that you do. If you're going to say that, you better live it completely.

Obviously people aren't obeying all the rules, otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist.

That's not my question. You were saying those of us that were following the rules yet still challenging were doing something wrong. I want to know how that is wrong. We're not breaking the rules, we're not trying to bend the rules. Instead, we are obeying them and questioning them at the same time. Why is that wrong?

[SuperJon]

Well, if who I am discredits my position then I am done.

It was fun guys.

I think that's the third time you've quit the board.

[thepostman]

and I take a lot more crap than you can even imagine. .

BJ???

sorry...you just made it so easy!

[Knucklehead]

[4everfsu]

Well if TTL has multiple personality like some people say on this board. At least one thing he will have over some people here, he will be right most of the time.

[sweetnahmah1]

This is a funny conversation, not to say were all horrible sinners, and though most will say TTL hasnt exactly been doing it out of love. But to me the last two pages of this thread have come down to the majority of people saying

"Its funny you could see the speck in my eye, im not denying its there, but I mean, its just funny you could see it, being as theres a 4x4 coming out of your eye."

I honestly believe that if you ever think to yourself you 'understand' God or christianity, then you dont get it at all, and by doing so, you are in a way saying "I understand this, that means i must be above it or better than it." Even if you disagree with someone or something, look at it from their point of view and try and understand what they are saying. I doubt anyone read my post about what Jerry himself had to say about the rules, because alot of what has been said by people on both sides was said in that already, but whatever.

Maybe if the majority of us took half the time we spend on FlameFans and filled it with reading a Bible there wouldnt need to be the threads like this, or the ones that always get closed, on and on and on

SHIP IT!


Now where's my BIBLE?

[ToTheLeft]

No one said we were not submitting to authority. We're all obeying the rules. We just disagree with them so we are challenging them. No one said we were going against them. While they are the rules, we will follow them. We just don't agree with them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. To say otherwise is about as legalistic as it gets.

From your statements, you should never go 1mph over the speed limit, and I know for a fact that you do. If you're going to say that, you better live it completely.

Obviously people aren't obeying all the rules, otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist.

That's not my question. You were saying those of us that were following the rules yet still challenging were doing something wrong. I want to know how that is wrong. We're not breaking the rules, we're not trying to bend the rules. Instead, we are obeying them and questioning them at the same time. Why is that wrong?

I think you turned this into an issue against you. And to say that you follow the rules is laughable at best, no one does.

And challenging the rules when there is no Biblical basis for it isn't really justified. I mean, you are free to disagree with them, but then that comes back to the main question... why are you here? If the rules here don't suit you, then don't try to change Liberty to suit you. You agreed to the rules when you enrolled. Again, I have said that already, but I don't think anyone really gets it. By coming here, you submit yourself to the rules here. If you don't like the rules, it;s your fault, not LU's. LU has no reason to change who they are. If change is needed, changes will be made. A couple people who don't like having to cut their hair isn't grounds for the rules to be changed. A group of students who want to hang out after curfew responsibly is not grounds for the rules to be changed. God's rules don't change, and God has said, like we have quoted from the BIBLE (which seems to have gone unnoticed) that it is going against God to go against Authority, unless the authority is clearly not in line with God's teaching.

This should be ESPECIALLY true at Liberty. It is Christian men and women who hire and fire people here, so everyone in authority was put there not only by God's sovereign power, but thru the wisdom of Godly men like Jr., Jonathan, Ron Godwin, Elmer Towns, Doc, etc...

If you want to disagree, that's fine. But don't expect anyone to change for you because you don't like the rules that you personally signed up for. That's like signing up to play football but getting ticked off that they won't let you go offsides or hold every play. The rules are the rules and you knew them before you got here.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, if who I am discredits my position then I am done.

It was fun guys.

I think that's the third time you've quit the board.

There was a hint of sarcasm in that one...

I never claimed to be anyone other than a person who screws up but is grateful that Christ forgives me every time I fail.

To say that I am crazy or judgmental or whatever is fine, call me whatever you want. But show me one moment where I stepped outside the truth (outside of the misunderstanding with justagirl, which I apologized for, and I still don't feel I was out of line at all.).

I'll be waiting.

[ATrain]

Challenging/Questioning is not going against authority...and saying the LW shouldn't change b/c God doesn't change His rules is laughable, at best. The Bible is the infallible, unchangeable Word of God, the LW was a rulebook written by men and women who are prone to error. Saying the rules that are made by fallible men and women shouldn't change is just ridiculous. The Founding Fathers of this land understood this when they scrapped the Articles of Confederation in favor of the Constitution, and designed the Constitution to be amended so that it could change as time progressed. The LW should be treated the same way in that regard.

[ToTheLeft]

If you respectfully bring the issue up with someone in charge, that's fine. It still comes back to the issue of WHY WOULD YOU BE HERE if you don't like the rules. I still don't get that. If you come here and expect Liberty to change for you that's just wrong. If you have an issue and a legitimate argument for a certain rule being unfair or unjust that's one thing. But just not liking them and wanting to be like everyone else isn't much of a reason...

[SuperJon]

And challenging the rules when there is no Biblical basis for it isn't really justified.

What if there's no Biblical basis for the rule itself?

I mean, you are free to disagree with them, but then that comes back to the main question... why are you here?

Because I wanted to be in a Christian environment. I didn't like some of the rules from the first time I heard about them but this is where I knew I was being called to.

[quote="ToTheLeft"If the rules here don't suit you, then don't try to change Liberty to suit you.[/quote]

I'm not trying to change them to suit me. I'm trying to change some so that it will attract other students who want to be in a Christian environment but don't want to be treated like little kids. I know a lot of people who love the purpose of Liberty but can't stand to be in a place that tries to control every little thing they do. They want to live in the world, not in a bubble.

[ToTheLeft]

Then don't come here. We have too many people for our facilities as it is, considering all the incoming applications. If you don't want to live in a "bubble", which is ridiculous anyways since its not like you don't get to experience the real world while at LU, then don't come here. It really, truly is as simple as that.

[sweetnahmah1]

They want to live in the world, not in a bubble.

[SuperJon]

Then don't come here. We have too many people for our facilities as it is, considering all the incoming applications. If you don't want to live in a "bubble", which is ridiculous anyways since its not like you don't get to experience the real world while at LU, then don't come here. It really, truly is as simple as that.

Good God that was dumb. I shouldn't come to where God was leading me to simply because I disagree with some stupid rules? Ask any alumnus if Liberty is a bubble and see what they say. There's a reason they say things like, "It's amazing when you get out of the Liberty Bubble and see what the world is really like." Ask someone who's gone before you if Liberty is a bubble.

[4everfsu]

I can say my time at LU was not in a bubble, but then I worked full time as well as went to school full time so I knew about the world the same time being at LBC. But then that is what I experienced.

[Cider Jim]

so cider, students who parked in any space other than their designated ones, were sinning?

I'm not a theologian (or a dean of students) so I cannot address the sin question, but I will say such an action is wrong and should be deserving of a parking fine.

When I was going to UVa as a graduate student, I would have never dreamed of parking in a faculty lot there, but I knew of LU alumni who did so at UVa (and they learned it here on our campus first).

[SuperJon]

I can say my time at LU was not in a bubble, but then I worked full time as well as went to school full time so I knew about the world the same time being at LBC. But then that is what I experienced.

The majority of the students here don't do that though. That's what we mean when we say when they finally get out of the Liberty bubble.

[SuperJon]

You can agree with the rules as much as you want. However, to say that people that don't agree with the rules shouldn't be here is so far out there and so far from the truth it's funny.