[NJLibertyboy]

I hope so too. I at least heard out Mike Huckabee when he came to town. I won't vote for him, but I gave him the opportunity to speak. I liked his personality and his faith, that is always a plus. However, we just don't agree on policy.

I hope people use this as an opportunity to hear from people who don't agree. Ron Paul is a Christian, and I think people forget that sometimes. We deserve to hear him out not only as a speaker, but a fellow believer in Jesus Christ.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Sorry, I left for HPU and forgot this thread was here
1. Well Scorcho, Thanks for stalking me and Ron Paul is a great candidate for you to vote for, youre just like him. Cant stick to the argument and if you do its just worthless crap.

2. This is the man that said that 9/11 Was America's fault and America did it.

3. and i think its a great idea to get rid of the department of energy, and the department of education, and any other wing of federal government.


Im not posting on this thread anymore cause its insane. Its insane to have this nut job at LU to speak. And I hope people read the facts and protest him the same way the Paul supporters protested huckabee. Go ahead Waste your vote.

[LUconn]

I think a lot of people get him confused with his supporters. He does have a large contingent of conspiracy theorist nutjobs. But that's not him.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

I think a lot of people get him confused with his supporters. He does have a large contingent of conspiracy theorist nutjobs. But that's not him.

Had I not heard him say it out of his own mouth, then i would agree with you.

[El Scorcho]

1. Well Scorcho, Thanks for stalking me and Ron Paul is a great candidate for you to vote for, youre just like him. Cant stick to the argument and if you do its just worthless crap.

If you're referring to knowing what your AIM name is, I didn't stalk you. You post it on FlameFans right below everything you write, every time you write it.

I stuck to the argument and offered a tempered viewpoint with real content. I didn't call anyone names, I didn't attack anyone personally and I even admitted when I made a mistake. You, on the other hand, called names (of both Paul and now me as well) and just regurgitate things you think you've heard somewhere without providing any evidence.

I'm not going to argue with you because I think you're showing a lot of immaturity, ignorance and a serious lack of tact. I hope that you someday find a way to communicate with other people in a decent way. This conversation has been anything but.

Now back to the land of the unofficially shunned...

[Rocketfan]

I think a lot of people get him confused with his supporters. He does have a large contingent of conspiracy theorist nutjobs. But that's not him.

Had I not heard him say it out of his own mouth, then i would agree with you.

I thought you weren't posting again?

[NJLibertyboy]

Ron Paul never said 9/11 was our fault. He blamed it on the terrorists. But he said we have to look for motive and our constant involvement with the middle-east is part of the problem.

If you don't like his view on it, then the 9/11 Commission and the CIA's own reports are wrong too.

2ndly - The Ron Paul people came out and supported their candidate. Sorry they exercised their 1st amendment rights. We can't do that now either? I thought it was just our right to privacy the government took away.

[thepostman]

I think a lot of people get him confused with his supporters. He does have a large contingent of conspiracy theorist nutjobs. But that's not him.

Had I not heard him say it out of his own mouth, then i would agree with you.

show me a link/video to prove this because what you say is exactly what the "conservatives" on fox news say too, and they do the same thing without showing video or quotes....he doesn't believe that...and you are wrong if you think he does....

[NJLibertyboy]

- I think this is what he is talking about.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQQ05XtAQ4 - Ron Paul's explanation

[4everfsu]

Problem with Ron Paul in this video where he said Reagen said we could not understand the mideast mindset. Well once RR was elected President the Iranian let go of our hostages because they knew what RR would do, not what Carter would not do. So basically at least the mideast then understood our mindset
Funny RP talks about blowback, again would we want some to be our commander in chief who is going to worry about any blowback for any actions we take againist anyone.
Again he is a nut in my book!
I like what McCain said after 09/11, something along the line of "God may forgive you, but we will not nor will we forget."

[NJLibertyboy]

Ron Paul voted for taking action against Al-Quaida in Afghanistan. However, he voted No to the war in Iraq because the basis for going was wrong.

Jimmy Carter and the army did try several rescue missions and it failed.

Negotiations actually opened up between Iran and the US after Iraq attacked Iran and they were short on troops and resources, this was back in September 1980, before Carter left office, and negotiations were completed through the Algerians. Coincidentally, they were released, by no effort of Ronald Reagan on January 20th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

I'm not saying Carter was right, what I am saying is that you have your story wrong, as do most people on this issue.

Not worrying about blowback in dangerous. Ron Paul points out that at this point we are stationed in sovereign countries all over the world, in places where people do not want us. Would you like it if China was stationed over here and we wanted them to leave and they wouldn't? When you impose your will on sovereign nations, bad things happen, and people won't take it.

[ALUmnus]

And if you studied the history of the rise of Nazi power, they hated the church and all things religion, and eventually all but outlawed it. The religious leaders were the only ones speaking out against the Nazis and the only ones who attempted to resist them.

Because the History of the Holocaust was my last class to take at Liberty and was taught by someone who got his Doctorate on the issue i think I can comment.....

All I will say is......YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! What the eff are you smoking....the church was INVOLVED with the Holocaust. The ONLY religious group to stand up against Nazism in all of Europe and the US were the MORMONS!!! (those bastards!!). I do not know where you got that info, b/c the church was very much involved, and Americans were behind Hitler and the NAzi's until the 1940's....

WOW!!! You need to get your facts straight!!! the church was behind Hitler.....sad but true

Wow, dickens, one class sure does qualify you as the expert. I think you need to do some extra-curricular reading.

Try these, full of sources that refute the Nazi propoganda that's sadly still being taught today:

http://brucewwalker.com/more.php?id=21_0_1_5_M

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/ ... anity.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/ ... azi_a.html

[LUconn]

that's interesting reading

[jack_sparrow81]

This is extremely disapointing. It stupid stuff like this that hesitates me on sending money back in the school. I could careless if you cronies vote for this keebler elf or whoever, but having him speak at the school is obscerd. This is the same guy that has been a speaker of a 9-11 conspirator meeting. This guy needs to get his head out of his . Anyone that agrees with him cutting the CIA and rest of his nonsense is in the same boat for all I care.

[jmdickens]

Because the History of the Holocaust was my last class to take at Liberty and was taught by someone who got his Doctorate on the issue i think I can comment.....

All I will say is......YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! What the eff are you smoking....the church was INVOLVED with the Holocaust. The ONLY religious group to stand up against Nazism in all of Europe and the US were the MORMONS!!! (those bastards!!). I do not know where you got that info, b/c the church was very much involved, and Americans were behind Hitler and the NAzi's until the 1940's....

WOW!!! You need to get your facts straight!!! the church was behind Hitler.....sad but true

Wow, dickens, one class sure does qualify you as the expert. I think you need to do some extra-curricular reading.

Try these, full of sources that refute the Nazi propoganda that's sadly still being taught today:

http://brucewwalker.com/more.php?id=21_0_1_5_M

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/ ... anity.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/ ... azi_a.html

I'll stick by my post.....

My evidence came from a Baptist minister who received his PHD and taught at UVA. I was in the class last semester, and I will believe a professor over a website.

once, again....you are wrong

[ALUmnus]

nah nahny poopoo

if that makes any sense

[4everfsu]

If Jimmy Carter had won his second term, the hostages would have stayed another four years in Iran. Carter could not even get the rescue mission off the ground so to speak.

[NJLibertyboy]

The negotiations starts before the elections in September of 1980, before the elections

Once again, Ronald Reagan, and I repeat, had nothing to do with the hostages being released.

Once again, I'm not a fan of Jimmy Carter but people need to get their facts straight.

[Baldspot]

On top of everything else I was surprised no one has mentioned any Paul's well documented racist statements. That's all I could think about when he told Tim Russert the Civil War was a waste of time.

[NJLibertyboy]

Hey Jack, he doesn't agree with the 9/11 conspiracy theory. He came because they asked him too. He spoke to them because he blamed our bad foreign policy for some of the motives of the terrorists.

You just called him a keebler elf instead of debating policy, who is the one that needs to get his head out of his ...

The CIA has done alot of good for us. They are part of the reason the Middle-East hates us, because we've gotten involved in their business, gave Osama his weapons, took a democratic leader out and replaced him with a dictator, and we haven't found Osama yet. He has no problem with intelligence gathering, but he has problems with us getting involved in the affairs of private countries.

And if you are hesitant on giving money to the school because they ask for people who want to have honest dialogue, that is ashame, especially when that candidate believes in constitutional government and a Christian just-war theory.

[NJLibertyboy]

He said Lincoln using the civil war to fight slavery was bad, because slavery was being eliminated throughout the world with non-violence.

[4everfsu]

I wonder why Iran started the negotiation before the election in 1980, maybe because they knew if they didn't, Reagen would have kicked their asses if elected. If you don't think Reagen election didn't have anything to do with the hostages being released, keep on dreaming of Ron Paul being the next president. You obviously didn't live during this period of US history. Carter trried to make America into the weak country at that time, he tried to make Americans being ashamed of being an American. Reagen reversed that. If I am not mistaken the hostages were released a couple of hours after Reagen was sworn in. So keep on smoking whatever you have.
BTW the US and Iran was negotiating probably from the start of the hostage situation.

[NJLibertyboy]

No, they started it negotiations because Iraq started a war with them and they didn't want to be bothered with having to deal with a war and handle hostages. The Carter Administration, through the secretary of state and the algerians negotiated for the release. It was only be sheer consequence that they were released after Reagan was Inaugerated.

As I stated before, I'm not a Jimmy Carter fan, but people need to understand history and stop giving Ronald Reagan credit for a situation he had virtually no part in. His administration spun it that way. I asked my parents, including my father, the biggest Reagan fan in the world, and he agreed.

Once again, personal insults mean nothing. I'm not smoking anything. I just see where this country is going and instead of calling people names, I've giving real reasons for why I feel the way I do.

[4everfsu]

Ok if you Daddy says so it must be right

[NJLibertyboy]

I've also read numerous books on the issue. This is something I did papers on. Once again, discuss the issue without the attitude.

You know what, I am done with this topic, because it is obvious some people are too immature to understand that some of their preconcieved notions about certain people and things are wrong, and instead of discussing them like Christian adults, they throw tantrums and call people names.

I've tried that to discuss these issues like an adult, but obviously some of you don't want too. This may sound harsh, but I've debated thick-headed liberals who had more taste and sense than many of you, and that says something. God Bless and have a good night.