[RagingTireFire]

I'm dying to know where you got that quote, wall. I'm guessing it had this guy's picture attached to it.

[FlamingChick]

Artificial sweeteners are more dangerous than regular sugar. It's best you never drink diet sodas or any flavored water with aspartame or sucralose.

yeah, that's what a lot of folks say, but I rely on the FDA. There have been no findings of a toxic affect of sucralose in over 110 studies on humans and animals, so the FDA has deemed it safe for human consumption. I believe that is why there are a lot of products out there that are now sweetened with splenda, instead of aspartame, which actually carries a warning on its label because there have been some adverse reactions to the phenylalanine it contains among people who have the genetic disease phenylketonuria (PKU).

[HenryGale]

As pertaining to food, if God made it, eat it. If man made it, don't eat it.

Marijuana is a naturally occurring substance

[Rocketfan]

Artificial sweeteners are more dangerous than regular sugar.

Sure, if you're dumping massive doses directly into your veins. Any nutritionist will tell you that, short of cyanide and snake venom, regular sugar is pretty much the most unhealthy substance on earth.

If your talking about natural sugar that is not the case.

[Rocketfan]

I'm dying to know where you got that quote, wall. I'm guessing it had this guy's picture attached to it.

Well RTF, ive read the book. Im assuming you haven't but it appears you have already drawn your conclusions.

[Rocketfan]

Artificial sweeteners are more dangerous than regular sugar. It's best you never drink diet sodas or any flavored water with aspartame or sucralose.

yeah, that's what a lot of folks say, but I rely on the FDA.

I wouldn't rely on those guys for anything. How many "safe" things have been put out on the market only to be pulled back months on years later because horrid side effects were found.

[RagingTireFire]

Well RTF, ive read the book. Im assuming you haven't but it appears you have already drawn your conclusions.

I've already gone through this whole conversation with my parents. Allow me to hit the high points:

• Trudeau's criminal conviction for credit card fraud and larceny charges
  Trudeau's on-going battles with the SEC and Federal Trade Commission who also accuse him of fraud
  Trudeau's complete lack of medical or research training
  Trudeau's use of false endorsements to market his products

Basically, the guy is a con man who makes his money off of conspiracy theories and people who just don't think things through. 20/20 did an interview with this guy last year and John Stossel completely lit him up. The FTC no longer allows Trudeau to sell anything other than his books and that's only b/c Trudeau pled the 1st Amendment saying that his books are for "entertainment purposes" only.

[FlamingChick]

Artificial sweeteners are more dangerous than regular sugar. It's best you never drink diet sodas or any flavored water with aspartame or sucralose.

yeah, that's what a lot of folks say, but I rely on the FDA.

I wouldn't rely on those guys for anything. How many "safe" things have been put out on the market only to be pulled back months on years later because horrid side effects were found.

Umm true, I guess I rely moreso on them than some of the other books written by doctors b/c I've worked in the Clinical Research environment, so I know how much time goes into researching a substance before it is approved and sent to the marketplace. Of course, you wont know a lot of the long-term side effects that may be present say 20 years down the road, but that's why they continue to monitor stuff even after it hits the markets--and if there's a problem, it's taken off the market.

[blwall1416]

I'm dying to know where you got that quote, wall. I'm guessing it had this guy's picture attached to it.

Then you would have guessed wrong. I got that quote from a medical doctor, not an author.

[RagingTireFire]

Then you would have guessed wrong. I got that quote from a medical doctor, not an author.

Got a link?

[blwall1416]

Umm true, I guess I rely moreso on them than some of the other books written by doctors b/c I've worked in the Clinical Research environment, so I know how much time goes into researching a substance before it is approved and sent to the marketplace. Of course, you wont know a lot of the long-term side effects that may be present say 20 years down the road, but that's why they continue to monitor stuff even after it hits the markets--and if there's a problem, it's taken off the market.

Like this:

A pair of entrepreneurs tried unsuccessfully to create a natural sweetener based on a West African berry called Synsepalum Dulcificum, for instance.

However, in 1974 the FDA ruled that their natural product was a food additive that needed years of testing before it could be used commercially. Now here’s the kicker: that very same year, the FDA approved the dangerous artificial sweetener aspartame.

Or this:

In 1989, the FDA received over 4,000 complaints from people who described adverse reactions. Because the FDA conveniently lists aspartame as a "food additive", it removes the legal requirement for adverse effect reporting to any Federal agency and the necessity for safety monitoring processes. Research also indicates that aspartame, when combined with glutamine products (such as MSG, widely used in foods) increase the likelihood of brain damage occurring in children.

Once more:

Fraudulent Claims of Aspartame as a "Diet Aid"

Interestingly, even the American Cancer Society confirmed that users of artificial sweeteners gained more weight than those who didn't use the products, further undermining the supposed "purpose" for the existence of aspartame in the food.

The major selling point of aspartame is as a diet aid, and it has been demonstrated that the use of this product actually causes people to consume more food. Normally, when a significant quantity of carbohydrate are consumed, serotonin levels rise in the brain. This is manifested as a relaxed feeling after a meal. When aspartame is ingested with carbohydrates, such as having a sandwich with a diet drink, aspartame causes the brain to cease production of serotonin, meaning that the feeling of having had enough never materializes. You then eat more foods, many containing aspartame, and the cycle continues. Monsanto's profit from its NutraSweet Division was $993 million in 1990.

[blwall1416]

Then you would have guessed wrong. I got that quote from a medical doctor, not an author.

Got a link?

Dr. Joseph Mercola

www.mercola.com

[blwall1416]

As pertaining to food, if God made it, eat it. If man made it, don't eat it.

Marijuana is a naturally occurring substance

That's why I said food.

[RagingTireFire]

Then you would have guessed wrong. I got that quote from a medical doctor, not an author.

Got a link?

Dr. Joseph Mercola

www.mercola.com

You can't be serious.

[Fumblerooskies]

Then you would have guessed wrong. I got that quote from a medical doctor, not an author.

Got a link?

Dr. Joseph Mercola

www.mercola.com

Yeahhhhh....that's a real reliable dude:

http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

or perhaps this:
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/pro ... cola.shtml

[blwall1416]

Got a link?

Dr. Joseph Mercola

www.mercola.com

You can't be serious.

Look at his recommendations, plus The Maker's Diet, & you can't tell me your life would be better without it.

[blwall1416]

Got a link?

Dr. Joseph Mercola

www.mercola.com

Yeahhhhh....that's a real reliable dude:

http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

or perhaps this:
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/pro ... cola.shtml

I'm not talking about any products they push. Just referring to the general diet.

And this whole thing is in reference to the fact that natural sugar has to be better for your body than chemically altered sweeteners. That's all I'm getting at.

[RagingTireFire]

Look at his recommendations, plus The Maker's Diet, & you can't tell me your life would be better without it.

Given the fact that he's making those recommendations just to sell me something, yeah, I'll pass. I like my food cooked, thank you.

[blwall1416]

Look at his recommendations, plus The Maker's Diet, & you can't tell me your life would be better without it.

Given the fact that he's making those recommendations just to sell me something, yeah, I'll pass. I like my food cooked, thank you.

Hey, knock yourself out. I like my food cooked too.....except for steak...you can't overcook a steak....that's just horrible.

[RagingTireFire]

Look at his recommendations, plus The Maker's Diet, & you can't tell me your life would be better without it.

Given the fact that he's making those recommendations just to sell me something, yeah, I'll pass. I like my food cooked, thank you.

Hey, knock yourself out. I like my food cooked too.....except for steak...you can't overcook a steak....that's just horrible.

Oddly enough, I like my steak just this side of mooing.

[blwall1416]

Oddly enough, I like my steak just this side of mooing.

In my best Dr. Frankenstein voice: "We agreed!! We agreed!!"

[phoenix]

This is what I'm doing for Lent this year -- http://www.churchyear.net/lentfathers.html