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By A.G.
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Trust me--it ain't "PERCEIVED." Many of the schools are fed up with LCA raiding local talent. It isn't due to competetiveness, because, in most sports, LCA would get waxed.

Of course, I find it highly ironic that LCA is the only school on The Mountain that will recruit locally...

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LCA Claims 'Boycott' by Local Public Schools

By Ted Allen and Matt Busse
The News & Advance
May 16, 2006


A perceived boycott by area public high schools against Liberty Christian Academy’s athletic program has prompted the chairman of the private school’s legal counsel to draft a letter to local school superintendents demanding that it be lifted.

Mat Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, said he and LCA officials believe public schools in eight districts are refusing to schedule athletic events in or out of season involving the Bulldogs.

“Whether it is motivated by personal bias or anticompetitive activity - we believe it’s both - it must stop because it’s hurting everybody,” Staver said at a Tuesday afternoon news conference.

Staver said Liberty Counsel, an Orlando, Fla.-based legal advocacy group with an office in Liberty University’s law school, sent letters this week to school superintendents in eight divisions: the counties of Bedford, Nelson, Prince Edward, Campbell, Appomattox, Pittsylvania and Amherst plus the city of Lynchburg.

The letters demand the districts stop the “illegal boycott” or face a lawsuit, Staver said.

LCA Superintendent Harvey Klamm said his school had formed competitive rivalries with area public schools until recently.

“What we’re finding has been developing over the course of the winter and now into the spring is that schools are telling us they will no longer schedule us,” he said, referring to golf, tennis or any one of the major sports. “We’ve had a good relationship with the public schools for years and now they’re basically closing the door to any participation with us.”

LCA athletic director Frank Rocco said those rivalries may have turned from friendly to not-so-friendly due to the Bulldogs’ development as a contender.

“The private school athletic programs are really becoming a very competitive formidable entity in athletics in this area and in some ways, the public schools just don’t want to acknowledge that and coexist with that,” he said, noting other private school teams, including Holy Cross and Virginia Episcopal School, are also being excluded. “They are all agreeing to just not play the private schools.”

Rocco added that the alleged boycott hurts both the Bulldogs and public schools alike.

“This is not a football thing,” said Rocco, who has coached LCA to two consecutive Virginia Independent Schools Division II football state championships. “We’ve run cross country, we’ve golfed, we’ve played softball, we’ve played tennis with every one of these schools, but now we can’t play. It’s a bad situation for LCA, but it’s a bad situation for Central Virginia athletics.”

In early February, LCA applied to become a member of the Virginia High School League (VHSL), stating it was required by law to open its membership to non-public schools. That request was denied, but the school plans to continue to pursue that case in the future.

“The boycott is actually the reason that LCA is pursuing membership in the VHSL,” Jerry Falwell Jr. said. “At the time they were working on the VHSL membership (proposal), it became clear to our lawyers that a boycott was being organized and they thought it would be better to take steps to end it first (before attempting to join the VHSL).”

Falwell Jr. said VHSL bylaws discourage members from scheduling games against non-members.

“They are only able to play private schools if they get permission from the VHSL first,” he said. “The VHSL, the way it’s set up in itself, is a violation of state antitrust laws. These schools are saying ‘We’re not going to ask permission, we’re going to boycott LCA,’ which makes it even more of an antitrust violation.”

E.C. Glass athletic director Chip Berry said Lynchburg City Superintendent Paul McKendrick will refer the letter to the schools’ own legal counselors.

“Our school system took the letter and they’re letting our attorneys look at it to find out if they have any legal ground,” Berry said.

He acknowledged that Glass has excluded LCA in its athletic scheduling, as have some Seminole District schools, due to conflicting rules of operation used by the public schools and private schools.

“I know the Seminole schools have said they don’t want to play them, (though) I don’t know that the whole district as a district has come together and said they won’t play LCA,” Berry said. “The key thing is the different set of rules that the schools play by.”

He said, under VHSL guidelines, public schools have the prerogative to schedule non-district competition against any school they wish.

“If the Seminole schools chose not to schedule E.C. Glass, there’s nothing we could do about it,” Berry said.

“It’s one of those things, nobody has to play anybody,” Brookville athletic director John Vasvary added. “That’s up to each individual school. We choose who we play and don’t play.”

With eight teams in the Seminole District, those schools have a very limited number of non-district slots available.

“With how our season is set up, we have a hard time scheduling teams outside of our district,” Vasvary said. “We would choose to play people that operate along the same boundaries that we do.”

Staver said he and LCA officials think “a handful of individual coaches or athletic directors” are encouraging the boycott, which he said includes the threat of ostracizing any public school that agrees to play LCA.

Though LCA officials have tried to discuss the issue with area schools to no avail, Staver said, he hopes the threat of legal action will help.

“It’s interesting how things change when legal counsel gets involved,” he said. “We’re serious about this.”
By LUconn
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What a bunch of babies. They're forcing us to stoop down to legal action because they're a bunch of spoiled sore losers.
By A.G.
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It's LCA that is the sore losers. Get over it and keep playing your namby-pamby private schools.
By Hold My Own
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I told yall it was just a matter of time before legal actions were taken!


I dont know AG...mean we both know how awful the VIC is....I mean, you'll never know what ou have until you put it to the test

Although, there will have to be a lot of changes in order to meet the chriteria that is needed to play in the public school leagues....no more foreign ball players (at least for 4 years, they will only be allowed 1 year as a foreign exchange)
By givemethemic
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There is a lot more to come with this story... Spring League is a prime example, the Privates have always played in the league and they were not allowed in (Not just LCA) That is one of the factors here, but I will be able to shed some light on this story pretty soon...
By LUconn
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They're forcing LCA's hand, A.G. This is amounting to some type of collusion. I'm all for the freedom for them to choose who they want to play, which is why I bet LCA will lose this, but what's the point other than to hurt LCA? This bascially is a little kid who is losing at his own game so he takes his toys and goes home. Sure he's allowed to do it, but nobody likes that kid.
By Libertine
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Frankly, I can see the local school's point but that doesn't make them right. Virginia is one of only two states in the entire country that have a statewide rule not allowing public schools and private schools to compete within the same leagues. The rule itself is what needs to be overturned. Yes, LCA recruits athletes. So does every other private school in the country. The backlash from the public schools is understandable but, just because the VHSL schools haven't had to deal with it until now doesn't mean they should be immune in perpetuity.
The real problem for the central VA VHSL schools is that the local ADs and coaches know they're fighting an uphill battle to begin with. The high-school talent here is pretty thin. Yes, this area has produced a few big names but, across the board, the talent pool isn't deep enough for a team to withstand their star defecting to a private program. Around here, one player makes that big of a difference.
Add on top of that that the local school boards have done area athletics very few favors. McKendrick in Lynchburg is a good guy but McCormick, the prior superintendent, along with the Lynchburg school board have been running area athletics into the ground for years. Campbell County has no money and the Bedford County admin is an absolute joke. In Roanoke, just look at the mess that Victory Stadium has become. These coaches and ADs aren't stupid and they know that LCA has advantages they cannot hope to compete with and if LCA is allowed to grow into a state power, their programs will go from nearly irrelevant to completely invisible.
I feel for the VHSL guys, I really do. But, frankly, this is a losing battle. It is collusion and it is discrimination. That point's not even being debated by anyone and, given their resources, there is no question that LCA will take this as far as they have to in order to win the court battle. In the end, the VHSL schools will find themselves competing with LCA, VES, et al on the same fields and for the same talent. In my opinion, the best thing they can do is drop the backroom shenanigans and enjoy getting their licks in now.
Last edited by Libertine on May 17th, 2006, 12:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By Libertine
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A.G. wrote: Of course, I find it highly ironic that LCA is the only school on The Mountain that will recruit locally...
For the record, we do recruit locally. Off the top of my head, I can think of several guys on our roster who are local guys:
Chris Luck (Liberty HS), Mario Cosby (EC Glass), Pierre Penn (Heritage), Brandon Turner (Gretna). Last year, we also had Noah Crouch (Amherst), Markus Ferguson (Heritage), Kevin Moon (Gretna), Beau Austin (Cave Spring). Add to that the random handful of LCA guys we always have. Before injuries, too much home cooking and family tragedy ended his career here, we also had John Davis from EC Glass, who when we landed him, was one of the city's big high school names at the time.
As a general rule, any coach with an ounce of gray matter is going to go after the kids in his own backyard, but you take talent where you can get it. We're not going to pass up a good prospect from elsewhere so we can grab a local third- or fourth-tier player just to say we have local players.
By LUconn
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I played football in HS up in Connecticut, and we got waxed by private schools on a yearly basis. We also beat a couple here and there as well. It wasn't really a big deal either way. The private schools on average would have a better team, but not always. It was the big city public schools that went to the playoffs every year. How is that fair? Why isn't something being done about that? Let's divide up the talent pool equally and bus them to different schools so everybody's equal! Hooray for Central VA and hooray for communism!
By Hold My Own
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we just let the really good ones get away AG....get a clue! WU isnt any good at baseball, neither is JMU, UVa, VCU and I'm done listing teams that have had some local talent on thier team, then we'll list all the Football schools UNC, PITT, UVa, VT...etc etc....bt I think that will all end soon
By givemethemic
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did you just say that UVA was not good in baseball!!!! I pray that your kidding they just happen to be #6 in the country and beat #16 ODU on the road last night and took 2 out of 3 this weekend from my beloved Tar Heels!!!
By Libertine
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In HMO's defense, UVa being good in baseball is a fairly recent phenomenon.
By A.G.
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I know HMO just didn't say WU and VCU aren't any good in baseball....

OK--football HAS made strides in local recruiting. Did not mean to hijack the thread I started.

Back to the topic at hand. Libertine makes great points all through his post. Perhaps there IS a fear factor among the local publics to "keep the little guy down." If they are forced to compete in the weaker than the Dogwood VIC, then the really GOOD athletes will stay away (as it is now, excptt for football, many of the LCA's were small fish in the AA pond but dominate the VIC). So, if the schools fight the fight to keep LCA out, that will allow them to keep the top-flight athletes who would better compete against better players. Thanks, Libertine, I had not looked at it that way, before.
By Hold My Own
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I'm sorry, I should have prenoted my comments with sarcasim is about to be dropped....no, IMO every team I mentioned is good at every sport that I mentioned
By LUconn
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liar!
Hold My Own wrote: Football schools UNC, UVa,
By Hold My Own
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well, compared to our football team!

or you were calling me a liar about having no local talent so UNC (Hamlet, TE) UVa (Buttler, OL.....Pennigius sp? OL) and that's without looking at a roster
By givemethemic
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yeah Vic Hall sucked too... Don't forget about the whole LCA factor... a lot of kids see LCA as a 2nd chance i.e grades or maybe an injury. Darren McKenize was Brookville's star running back and he got hurt this past season and is now at LCA to get another year. A lot of kids know that Coach Rocco is a winner i.e (24-0 and 2 state rings) and more importantly that they have a great chance to go play college football at some level if they come to LCA. Rocco has a done a great job at selling his players, college coaches are in all the time looking and wanting his players....
By thesportscritic
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Rocco has done a great job at LCA. Good points GMTM. I am glad to see LCA fighting this discrimination mess that is being built up by other schools. I think they (public schools) are scared that we will beat them in some sports.
By thesportscritic
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I think the football program at LCA sells itself without recruiting.
By jimflamesfan
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Like I said in another thread somewhere, when I was in highschool in PA, private schools were allowed to play in the same districts as public schools.

The public schools will try to say that its unfair, b/c they're able to "recruit" from any area. But really, all HS can "recruit" in a sense, b/c parents normally base one of the factors on where they live based on what school district it is in.

Secondly, it is more unfair to the parents and atheletes that happen to want them to have a private education, to penalize them by not allowing them to have fair competition with the other public schools.

I went to a public HS, and I had no problem playing against private schools. People also have to remember, this isn't a LCA only issue...VES and Timberlake Christian, and other schools would benefit as well.
By Hold My Own
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if this thing goes through, I PRAY TC stays put!
By A.G.
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HMO--you really had me going with your comment. Great sarcasm, though. I didn't think you had jumped ship on me.
By Libertine
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jimflamesfan wrote:People also have to remember, this isn't a LCA only issue...VES and Timberlake Christian, and other schools would benefit as well.
Not to mention St. Anne's Belfield and Atlantic Shores who also have relatively competitive programs.
By - brokeback flamer -
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A nice side bar discussion to this is the infighting inside the VIC. There are several schools, TC being one of them, who feel that they are not able to compete with the LCA's VES Carlisle b/c of the recruiting issue and are looking to subdivid THAT league. So it is not just VHSL schools who are upset over this issue. The "second chance" issue was brought up and that is a good and bad thing. If an athlete gets a 5th year after attending another school then that is a different set of standards. Plus, the academic criteria is a little more "fluid" at LCA then some other schools. I know of at least 2 athletes who were ineligible at their public school but WERE eligible at LCA. THAT is gonna rub some administrators the wrong way.
Also, having come from a state where Private and Puclic schools could belong to the State Athletic Association and it wasn't the panacea you would think. Schools still would not play us b/c we were a private school. So what do you do? You get the games you can and win what you can. Life is rough.
Im not sure why LCA wanted to go through the legal route, but that is their perrogative. (Cue Bobby Brown Music) but I am not sure where the legal standing is to win this suit. If these teams don't wanna play em then why should they have too?
HMO made a great point a few months back stating the LCA wants to become another Oak Hill. That would be GREAT, but Oak Hill's "A" team isn't part of the VHSL either.
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By Brokeback Flamer
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