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El Scorcho wrote:post at your own risk.
jcmanson wrote:Andy Pettitte was a shocker to me. He is a comitted Christian from everything I know. Just didn't think he would of done that. But we're all humans.Its one mans word against another.....there isn't even a paper trial for this guy.....if he bought steriods FOLLOW THE FREAKIN $$$$$$ OR DON'T PUBLISH THIS CRAP.
RagingTireFire wrote:Oh, this is going to get interesting. Selig thinks he's just been handed a big stick with which to beat down the union. Unfortunately, he's only going to whack himself in the head with it.He is such a joke. I turned my back and acted like nothing happened, and now I'm mad and ready to do something. What a joke.
El Scorcho wrote:The list so far..Apparently this TV station I quoted yesterday is in trouble today for using the wrong list. They were the first to break a full list. It was just the wrong one.
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafael Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose Canseco, Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia,Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Sc hoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Kerry Woodhttp://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
Ed Dantes wrote:Mitchell Report representation, from ESPN.com:Speaking of the dreaded "*", when are the teams who have cheaters on their teams returning their rings? You laugh, but think of Marion Jones' relay teammates who had to return their gold medals and give them to the second place teams who probably had drug cheats running for them. Everyone gets on Track and Cycling for being full of athletes on roids, when in actuallity, they are simply leading the way. Baseball is SLOWLY coming around. It will be fun to watch the NFL crumble if they ever decide to get their act together. (Don't even try to argue that every sport is dirty EXCEPT for football. That argument won't work here.)
Yankees - 22*
Orioles - 18
Angels - 16
Mets - 15
Dodgers - 15
Rangers - 15
* - if someone played just one game, he counts as a player for that team. Jose Canseco played just a few games for the Yanks, yet he is counted as one of the 22.
* - I just wanted to put an asterix by the Yankees.
Rocketfan wrote:I agree w/ you here.jcmanson wrote:Andy Pettitte was a shocker to me. He is a comitted Christian from everything I know. Just didn't think he would of done that. But we're all humans.Its one mans word against another.....there isn't even a paper trial for this guy.....if he bought steriods FOLLOW THE FREAKIN $$$$$$ OR DON'T PUBLISH THIS CRAP.
01LUGrad wrote:I agree with everything you say here. I just hate the Yankees.Ed Dantes wrote:Mitchell Report representation, from ESPN.com:Speaking of the dreaded "*", when are the teams who have cheaters on their teams returning their rings? You laugh, but think of Marion Jones' relay teammates who had to return their gold medals and give them to the second place teams who probably had drug cheats running for them. Everyone gets on Track and Cycling for being full of athletes on roids, when in actuallity, they are simply leading the way. Baseball is SLOWLY coming around. It will be fun to watch the NFL crumble if they ever decide to get their act together. (Don't even try to argue that every sport is dirty EXCEPT for football. That argument won't work here.)
Yankees - 22*
Orioles - 18
Angels - 16
Mets - 15
Dodgers - 15
Rangers - 15
* - if someone played just one game, he counts as a player for that team. Jose Canseco played just a few games for the Yanks, yet he is counted as one of the 22.
* - I just wanted to put an asterix by the Yankees.
Fumblerooskies wrote:I have respect for David Justice coming out with vehement denial...and not so with Clemens who went through his lawyer. I now have more respect for Pettitte for coming clean, as well.I think its smart for Clemens to come out thru his lawyer....with all these allegations and no evidence yet except one mans word, there could be some legal issues down the road. A lot of people gave vehemant denials and were still using, remember Raffy? so for you to say that gains your respect is just absurd.
Fumblerooskies wrote:I have respect for David Justice coming out with vehement denial...and not so with Clemens who went through his lawyer. I now have more respect for Pettitte for coming clean, as well.If I were Clemens right now -- or any other player on the list for that matter -- I'd be doing absolutely everything through my lawyer.
Player A is a long-time star for a team that has won multiple titles. Great guy. Beloved by fans and teammates alike. Then finds himself connected with an HGH story he can't escape.
So he admits it. Admits he bought it. Admits he took it. Admits he did that over a long period of time, during which his team won championships and he was an All-Star. Admits he "sent the wrong message" to kids and to the public. Admits he's "very, very embarrassed."
But Player A also says he wants to make it clear he never used steroids. And the only reason he used HGH was because he was hurt and wanted to get back on the field to help his team.
OK, now let's move on to Player B -- another terrific player for teams that did nothing but win. Another likeable guy. Fan favorite. Clubhouse favorite. Then looks up one day and hears his name all over TV and radio, linked to HGH use.
So Player B takes some time to think about how he should react, then confesses. Confesses by saying he was injured at the time. Confesses by saying he felt an obligation to get back and help his team. Confesses by saying he'd heard a lot of talk about the healing properties of HGH, so he tried it briefly, then stopped.
But Player B wakes up the next morning to find a headline that says: "PLEASE SPARE US."
Player A, on the other hand, is greeted by headlines like this one: "DON'T SINGLE OUT (PLAYER A)."
Hmmmm. What's up with that?
Two indistinguishable stories. Two very different reactions. Why is that, anyway?
Well, you probably figured out that Player B is Pettitte, a fellow who plays baseball for a living.
Player A, on the other hand, is New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison, a guy who plays in that Teflon National Football League, in which all those chiseled bodies are clearly on the up and up.
Where's the outrage over Rodney Harrison, huh? We've been waiting for it to show up in some form, any form, for weeks now. We're still waiting. We'll probably wait a lifetime.
- By jbock13