[ATrain]

No way, build a parking deck and get rid of the other lots. They make the campus look 100% worse. At the least get rid of the lot in front of Demoss and just plant grass. No fountain though. Atrain will put soap in it.

LOL...only if I'm gonna be the first one that does it

And brokeback, those goodies in DeMoss have been added.

[Brokeback Flamer]

No way, build a parking deck and get rid of the other lots. They make the campus look 100% worse. At the least get rid of the lot in front of Demoss and just plant grass. No fountain though. Atrain will put soap in it.

LOL...only if I'm gonna be the first one that does it

And brokeback, those goodies in DeMoss have been added.

If they ahve then COOL BEANS it only took a few years. But I think my point is still valid. When was DeMoss "chrisened" and when were they added?
What about floors 3 and 4? Have they started occupying them yet? This has the POTENTIAL to be an awesome academic "cornerstone" (even though most campus is emphasized to Ericcsson now) and hope it ends up right!

[LUconn]

It's not like they were happily building along and then boom, we ran out of money. I guess we'll leave it as is. The other 2 floors were for future expansion. Although there is no money for that expansion at the moment. But you're making it out to be some blunder.

[thesportscritic]

I am too honestly. I know Dr Kerr wanted to have a bit of news like that (and the fact taht they are changing over to fied turf) as a draw for incoming freshmen interested in teh band program (you have any idea how sore people were after a performance on the turf last year or the last couple years?)

Know what you mean BJ. I marched on that turf when I was in marching band at LCA. Had to deal with that for 6 years.

[Hold My Own]

yes all rooms are smart rooms now....but guys 1st remember that Demos was built WAY before we knew we'd be getting a million sq ft.....also when it was built, why would you build just 2 floors knowing (without campus north) that in just a few years you'll have to add floors? That would be a lot more trouble then to build some rooms and throw in some chairs & a freaking computer so brokeback doesnt have anything to yell about

[Flamesfanva]

Good point HMO. The N Campus was a gift out of the blue and very much appreciated and needed.

[Brokeback Flamer]

[quote="Hold My Own"]yes all rooms are smart rooms now....but guys 1st remember that Demos was built WAY before we knew we'd be getting a million sq ft.....also when it was built, why would you build just 2 floors knowing (without campus north) that in just a few years you'll have to add floors? That would be a lot more trouble then to build some rooms and throw in some chairs & a freaking computer so brokeback doesnt have anything to yell about [/quote


That is sort of my point HMO. DeMoss was built before the whole additional campus was even a possibility. DeMoss was only finished through 2 floors. Floors 3 and 4 were not "fireproofed" and not give COO for them. So the question is WHY? Why not wait until you have all the money you need or at least 80% of the money you need and then finish the job? My point is that this is a pattern here. I am very glad that they now have smart class rooms, even if they are a few years later then promised. If, at the time, DeMoss was our only big capital project why wasnt' it completely funded?

[LUconn]

I'm not sure if you were at the school before Demoss floors 2-4 were there, but I had the luxury of attending before, during construction and after (pats self on back). Anyway, there was no way the school could function any longer with that amount of space. They had to bring in a few classroom trailers until the floors were complete as well. And you think their aren't enough computers in Demoss to go around now? The computer lab was 3 rows of about 10 computers in the science hall before and 2 classrooms. There was at least a 45 minute wait for one every day. So they had to get building immediatly. The top 2 floors are for the future. I really don't think they're in a rush to get them finished. Now I'll jump on your downer point of view and say, they probably won't start them until after it's painfully obvious that they do need them finished. They're usually 1 step behind in that department causing a few years of suffering.

[Libertine]

According to what the IT guys here have told me, the 3rd & 4th floors of DeMoss are not used because they are uninhabitable. According to them, the contractor cut a corner and used a weaker steel that would not support the weight of people, offices, desks, etc., on those top 2 floors.
However, this strikes me as something of an LU urban legend that gets passed around among university employees much like freshman whisper about rumors of orgies in the Prayer Chapel. As far as I know, we are not suing Kodiak, the contractor, and in fact they've been the contractor on numerous LU jobs since then, including LaHaye and the new Ops Center.

Also, as far as the dorms go, a previous poster was correct. If you build a new house, it's going to shift, settle and crack for the first few years. A dormitory is no different.

[LUconn]

we are not suing Kodiak, the contractor, and in fact they've been the contractor on numerous LU jobs since then, including LaHaye and the new Ops Center.

exactly

employees much like freshman whisper about rumors of orgies in the Prayer Chapel.

what??? I've never heard that one before. I wonder if people at all colleges have this junk that get pass around.

[Brokeback Flamer]

I'm not sure if you were at the school before Demoss floors 2-4 were there, but I had the luxury of attending before, during construction and after (pats self on back). Anyway, there was no way the school could function any longer with that amount of space. They had to bring in a few classroom trailers until the floors were complete as well. And you think their aren't enough computers in Demoss to go around now? The computer lab was 3 rows of about 10 computers in the science hall before and 2 classrooms. There was at least a 45 minute wait for one every day. So they had to get building immediatly. The top 2 floors are for the future. I really don't think they're in a rush to get them finished. Now I'll jump on your downer point of view and say, they probably won't start them until after it's painfully obvious that they do need them finished. They're usually 1 step behind in that department causing a few years of suffering.

I have been w/LU since well before DeMoss. You are right, it was awful, especially computer access. Maybe I am not expressing my view clearly, so I will try again.
DeMoss is an impressive building on the outside. But at the time it was built there was no plan to move to Ericcsson and was our only big capital project. We had a HUGE need for more classroom space and DeMoss was "supposed" to fill that ticket. Yet with the lack of funding they could only do a half - way (being gracious) job. Is it better then what it was? Sure, no question IS it as good as it needs to be? No way. Once again my point is this. Why don't we do things the right way THE FIRST time instead of always trying to make do? I have pointed it out with the OP CENTER (original purpose of thread) and I was just brining up DeMoss as an archetype of this mentality. I am not dogging LU "because I can" (to use anothers phrase) I just wish they held themselves to the old JF standard "If it is Christian, it should be BETTER" Of course, not being as religious I would just settle for "If it is Christian, it should be at least standard"

[Libertine]

what??? I've never heard that one before. I wonder if people at all colleges have this junk that get pass around.

You're kidding right? You've never heard this stuff? Orgies in the Prayer Chapel was just the beginning. You never heard about the ghost in the Ravine? Lynchburg PD's high speed chase of a robbery suspect up through the Walmart entrance and past the guardshack with gunfire being exchanged the whole way? The Bald Spot was caused by arsonists from Lynchburg College trying to start a forest fire that would take out LU? That the Circle dorms were never designed to be used during winter? That Lovett, Jr. was secretly gay? OK, that last one turned out to be true, but there've been rumors of the illicit and the nonsensical swirling around this place since as far back as I can remember.

Back before Campus North and when DeMoss was 1 story, we used to tell freshmen that LU's pool was on the roof. I don't know what to tell them now.

[LUconn]

actually, I remember walking back from class one day and the old LUPD blazer (which doesnt exist anymore, they got a cherokee now I think) came flying by me going like 50mph. They were in fact chasing a criminal in a car. I don't remember exactly what the guy did. It wasn't anything too spectacular but LUPD did make the arrest and handed him over to LPD.

[Libertine]

Wow! Something actually happened!

When I was on campus, the biggest thing that happened w/ LUPD was when a trainee somehow tipped his patrol car up in the air going over the sidewalk by the Liberty Bell willow trees. Both back wheels came off the ground 5 feet in the air and he couldn't move. I think the entire force turned out for that one but mainly for traffic control because students were stopping in the middle of the street to laugh at the poor guy.

[Hold My Own]

Brokeback, if campus north was not here then the money we used on that would have gone to the top 2 floors of Demos


Do you really want them to only build 2 levels knowing that in just a year or two, another 2 floors will have to be built? You know that's not economical, they did the most practical thing possible, nothing was done half way again it would have been completed right now if north didn't fall in our lap.....and it still will be done just not in the immediate future, and when we do start to complete it and those top 2 floors weren't there people would be saying, "I cant believe they didn't have the foresight to see that we'd need more rooms at Demos, why didn't they just do it all at once!"

[LUconn]

I think broke back is not saying that it's "half done" as in only 2 of 4 stories are completed. I think he's using "half-done" as in it is not as good as it should be.

[Brokeback Flamer]

I think broke back is not saying that it's "half done" as in only 2 of 4 stories are completed. I think he's using "half-done" as in it is not as good as it should be.

Thank you LU, that is what I am trying to say. Also, the point that is missed here is I am NOT tying the two in together. I am saying funding for the DeMoss should be and should have been a seperate issue from Campus North. Unless we are using designated funds for DeMoss to work on campus North. (We'd never do THAT would we!!) The money for DeMoss should have been raised BEFORE we started building DeMoss (However, caveat is made in all fund raising activities of this time for 80%). It wasnt. Now we have more expansion and DeMoss is left in the lurch.

[Libertine]

I wouldn't necessarily say DeMoss is left in the lurch. It's not like there's some Committee for the DeMoss Building that we need to satisfy. To me, it's about prescient needs. We needed the 2nd floor of DeMoss immediately. When the Ericsson property came to us, the 3rd & 4th floors were put on hold because the new facility allowed the ministries to fulfill other broader needs that those 2 floors could not (ie., extra student facilities, a busting-at-the-seams LCA, an administrative complex, separated law school, et al). Bear in mind that DeMoss has been a multi-story building for less than five years. I think that if we never come back to and never do anything more with that space then, yes, it'll be a travesty but, for now at least, it's way too early to make any kind of pronouncement like that.

[bigsmooth]

hey guys this is a great discussion, but let's start a new thread not on the football board. this is new ops center thread. thanks!

[BJWilliams]

Itll be interesting to hear what AD Barber has to say about this on the tailgate show tomorrow

[SuperJon]

Way to be a moderator.

[Flamesfanva]

The below is the side that will face the field.



The other side facing the N. Campus.



Floor Plans

[BJWilliams]

Way to be a moderator.

Thanks...course that's up to Sly or one of the administrators whether or not I get that title

[LU'sbestmanger]

looks like the ops center is going to be better than what i thought

[PeterParker]

Those are good pics...the school should have a site where one could go to see all kinds of renderings like that for the various current projects and for the future "dream" projects (academic, athletic, residential and aesthetic layout.)