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By WoW1933
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#122926
I was in the FOC this week on a sunny day, overlooking the field, and it looked shimmery from inside the building. I would contend that from any angle, the turf is bad. The person I was chatting with knew that the manufacturer of the turf is frustrated with our installation...Is there a warranty of some sort?

I considered the camera angles as well, but it looks like they would have to be in a blimp looking down on the field. One day, brother, one day....The Goodyear blimp will be floating above whilst the Flames take on Notre Dame...
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By Fumblerooskies
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#122932
WoW1933 wrote:One day, brother, one day....The Goodyear blimp will be floating above whilst the Flames take on Notre Dame...
Is ND dropping down to I-AA??
By HenryGale
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#122935
Fumblerooskies wrote:
WoW1933 wrote:One day, brother, one day....The Goodyear blimp will be floating above whilst the Flames take on Notre Dame...
Is ND dropping down to I-AA??
FCS????
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By PAmedic
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WoW1933 wrote: The person I was chatting with knew that the manufacturer of the turf is frustrated with our installation...Is there a warranty of some sort?
could it have anything to do with the fact that they were under the gun for installation (as far as the time frame) ?

and if it WAS not up to standard- would the company not be responsible to pull it up and re-do it?
By The Dude
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#122994
The lighting at Williams Stadium is terrible. Watching any of the first few night games there this year it looked dark and there were huge shadows cast by the players in one direction which proves the lighting wasn't equal on both sides of the stadium. Plus, I've seen other stadiums with fieldturf and they have equipment that brushes and cleans the field before and after each game. Apparently LU failed to purchase this equipment and the turf didn't get brushed and kept like it was supposed to resulting in flattened blades, which combined with the poor lighting made it look extemely shiny and wet, even in person.
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By El Scorcho
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The Dude wrote:Apparently LU failed to purchase this equipment and the turf didn't get brushed and kept like it was supposed to resulting in flattened blades, which combined with the poor lighting made it look extemely shiny and wet, even in person.
Is that so?
By The Dude
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El Scorcho wrote:
The Dude wrote:Apparently LU failed to purchase this equipment and the turf didn't get brushed and kept like it was supposed to resulting in flattened blades, which combined with the poor lighting made it look extemely shiny and wet, even in person.
Is that so?
Here's an article I ran across:

Protecting your turf: a primer to properly maintain your synthetic playing field
Coach and Athletic Director, by Kevin Newell

Unlike that famous infomercial that boasts, "Just set it, and forget it," the same cannot be said of a synthetic playing field. Much like the care and upkeep of a traditional grass field, there is maintenance protocol when it comes to artificial grass. Albeit limited.

While specific guidelines vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, the message is clear: "It's all about grooming. That's the bottom line," says Crystal Parsons, marketing coordinator for Sprinturf. "You need to be able to groom the field in order to get the optimum playing performance."

Grooming basically consists of rejuvenating the synthetic fibers of the field and the rubber and/or sand infill that succumb to the constant foot traffic from events that run the gamut from football games to band practice, following by a general sprucing up of the playing surface itself. For schools and facilities making such a large investment in a field, it's a small price to pay to maintain that investment.

"I would be remiss if I didn't start out by saying that the maintenance is extremely minimal," says Jim Dobmeier, president of A-Turf. "Anywhere from one to four times a month would be within the normal range of what we call, grooming the field. It sounds a little ridiculous, but it's not unlike a person combing their hair. It gives the fibers a little bit of fluffiness and it touches some of the upper levels of the infill, without disturbing it."

FieldTurf, the industry leader in synthetic surfacing, suggests a complete grooming of the field should be done every four to six weeks. This is accomplished by a multi-purpose piece of maintenance equipment that sweeps the field of debris, aerates the surface, uses tines for a deep clean, and brushes the surface.

GreensGroomer Worldwide, the industry leader, manufactures one such product. Its Synthetic Sports Turf Groomer works with all fill material currently used, in both wet and dry conditions. The patented brush design lifts turf fibers leaving them in a plush, upright position and moves fill to low spots or depressions left after play. The company's complementary GreensSlicer Spring Tine Rake combs through the fill material, relieving compaction and assuring a soft, level playing surface.

"The brush is terrific for standing the turf fibers in their upright position, but the spring tine rake has huge benefits for compaction issues," says Tom Moore, national sales manager for GreensGroomer Worldwide. "It literally combs down through that fill level and really fluffs it up, if you will. It has an infinite adjustment for the desired level of aggressiveness. There's a carriage bolt on either end of the tines--there are three rows of 28 tines spaced 7/8 inch apart for thorough coverage. For each row you loosen the bolt on either end and swing it forward or back to whatever position you desire."......

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Since we installed the new turf, have you ever seen it being maintained in such a fashion? I heard the company recommended us doing so.
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By El Scorcho
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The Dude wrote:Since we installed the new turf, have you ever seen it being maintained in such a fashion?
Um, I kind of work in hole with no windows behind several locked doors, so I don't see much of anything.

I was asking, hoping someone who is in a position to see such things could verify your assertion. It would seem odd to me that we'd spend so much money on turf and then do absolutely no maintenance on it. Especially cleaning, given how staph infections can spring up when blood comes into contact with synthetic turf.
By Knucklehead
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Last tuesday at 1:35:24 am a guy named Bubba was out with a hand rake, and a wire hair brush fixin the field up right. He spat upon the stubborn spots. As for the glare, I have offered several cans of Rosco Dulling Spray. This miracle Aerosol liquid has saved many a Television lighting guy from ridicule and tongue lashing over the years. :roll:
By TIMSCAR20
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I've seen the "Zambonie Machine" at work. I have seen it in action on more than one occasion. We definitely have a rake machine or whatever you want to call it. That is not the answer to why it looks shiny on TV. I do agree that the stadium could definitely use a lot more light though. Not sure if that would help. I think the Camera angles if they were higher would help too but I don't know what we can do about that other than to expand the stadium.
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By WoW1933
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#123035
I've seen the maintenence crews on a fairly regular basis out there with a grooming machine... Also, I've been told that they give the field a pretty good raking or scrubbing or whatever before each game.

I would bet if more sand and rubber pellets were added, the blades of turf would shorten, and therefore stand up, instead of lying flat, causing the light reflections, or as we see it, the icy glare.

I never noticed the one-sided lighting shadow issue, but if it's in fact there, then we've got a lighting problem. Of course, if we amp up the lights, we'd have more intense reflection on the field! I guess....

Essentially, I don't know what I'm talking about.
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By El Scorcho
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Alrighty, then. That answers my question.

Sorry to "The Dude", but I'm gonna have to throw the :BS on you.
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By WoW1933
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El Scorcho: I can't help but notice that you've logged 16.7 million posts. Do you look at this thing 24 hours a day?
By LUconn
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what's more likely, the only guy with access to manipulate the messageboard made up his own post count, or he posted over a million times?


Hint:
16777215
[100.00% of total / 25003.30 posts per day]
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By El Scorcho
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WoW1933 wrote:El Scorcho: I can't help but notice that you've logged 16.7 million posts. Do you look at this thing 24 hours a day?
I have a cybernetic link to FlameFans.com. This message board actually runs on my brain.

16777215 is actually the maximum post count currently allowed in the database by the phpBB application. I, obviously, altered the database. Because I can.
By Knucklehead
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El Scorcho wrote:
WoW1933 wrote:El Scorcho: I can't help but notice that you've logged 16.7 million posts. Do you look at this thing 24 hours a day?
I have a cybernetic link to FlameFans.com. This message board actually runs on my brain.

16777215 is actually the maximum post count currently allowed in the database by the phpBB application. I, obviously, altered the database. Because I can.
I thought for a minute you had less of a life than SJ! :P
By SuperJon
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Not possible, unless he's also taking 17 credit hours and working from home.
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By El Scorcho
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Knucklehead wrote:I thought for a minute you had less of a life than SJ! :P
Nah. I actually altered my post count because I had so few compared to some people. And, again, because I could.
By Knucklehead
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SuperJon wrote:Not possible, unless he's also taking 17 credit hours and working from home.
That's all?
Pitiful. :lol:

Seriously, your dedication (sickness) is unrivaled!
By The Dude
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El Scorcho wrote:Alrighty, then. That answers my question.

Sorry to "The Dude", but I'm gonna have to throw the :BS on you.
Just passing along what I've heard.

About the machine people have seen, have we had it the whole time or did it show up after the first televised game when the field looked so bad?
By TIMSCAR20
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The Dude wrote:
El Scorcho wrote:Alrighty, then. That answers my question.

Sorry to "The Dude", but I'm gonna have to throw the :BS on you.
Just passing along what I've heard.

About the machine people have seen, have we had it the whole time or did it show up after the first televised game when the field looked so bad?
We've had it since the beginning.
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By WoW1933
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I have a cybernetic link to FlameFans.com. This message board actually runs on my brain.
Geez....And I can barely figure out how the quotes work on this thing....
By The Dude
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SCAR wrote:
The Dude wrote:
El Scorcho wrote:Alrighty, then. That answers my question.

Sorry to "The Dude", but I'm gonna have to throw the :BS on you.
Just passing along what I've heard.

About the machine people have seen, have we had it the whole time or did it show up after the first televised game when the field looked so bad?
We've had it since the beginning.
The real machine, or just the little thing they pull behind a gator?
By SuperJon
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#124481
It was raked before the game this morning.
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