[blwall1416]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

If you're talking about whether he was out of bounds or not, that is NOT reviewable.

The ONLY situations in which a replay can be used are:

1. Free Throws
2. Scoring
3. Timing
4. Determination if a flagrant foul occurred.

The officials shall NOT use the replay to determine:

1. Who committed a foul or whether a foul occurred (exception flagrant)
2. Basket interference or goaltending.
3. A violation (ie. Out of Bounds)
4. Whether the ball was released before the sounding of the shot clock.

This is where fans can get frustrated....because Billy Packer or Dickie V give them wrong information during broadcasts & then when it happens, every one goes nuts. I HATE when broadcasters screw up the rules interpretation.

I was told that they did review that play.......checking for timing issues & the possibility of a flagrant foul. But again, I wasn't there.....didn't see it....so I can't say for sure.

[hurricane fan]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

If you're talking about whether he was out of bounds or not, that is NOT reviewable.

The ONLY situations in which a replay can be used are:

4. Determination if a flagrant foul occurred.

Coach McKay asked them to review it and the head official refused.

[blwall1416]

Coach McKay asked them to review it and the head official refused.

The only thing I can think of then is that the crew felt it wasn't necessary to review....but again, I wasn't there & didn't hear their conversation. I'd be interested in finding out why he chose not to look at it.

[Hold My Own]

By the rules...wouldnt that have to be an intentional foul though??? He clearly wasnt going for the ball...

[Kolzilla41]

Let's just say the only "balls " in that place were on the basketball rack.

[rjhenz]

As I said before and I agree with DLP_man about this whole situation. Yes the refs were bad, but I don't think we can sit here and say they cost us the game. If we did want we needed to do, we wouldn't be talking about the refs right now. We had a chance to put Radford away and we let them get back in the game instead of putting the game away. In the 2nd half we had the lead from the 7:31 mark to 34 seconds left except for one spot where Radford took a 1 pt lead for a few seconds. We had our lead up to 6. We let them tie the game up in the last seconds. If KO was any where close as to being on like he was tonight against High Point, we win the game. 3-11 from 3 when chances are that Radford got most of the rebounds to the missed shots, that didn't help. We missed our free throws... and the list goes on. I just feel it is a little bit of an excuse to say the refs cost us the game when their were chances to do a few little things better to win the game ourselves. The refs did make terrible calls, but we can make them our scapegoat. If we did what we needed to do in the first place the refs are never an issue.

[coolhandluke]

As I said before and I agree with DLP_man about this whole situation. Yes the refs were bad, but I don't think we can sit here and say they cost us the game. If we did want we needed to do, we wouldn't be talking about the refs right now. We had a chance to put Radford away and we let them get back in the game instead of putting the game away. In the 2nd half we had the lead from the 7:31 mark to 34 seconds left except for one spot where Radford took a 1 pt lead for a few seconds. We had our lead up to 6. We let them tie the game up in the last seconds. If KO was any where close as to being on like he was tonight against High Point, we win the game. 3-11 from 3 when chances are that Radford got most of the rebounds to the missed shots, that didn't help. We missed our free throws... and the list goes on. I just feel it is a little bit of an excuse to say the refs cost us the game when their were chances to do a few little things better to win the game ourselves. The refs did make terrible calls, but we can make them our scapegoat. If we did what we needed to do in the first place the refs are never an issue.

Yes, had we made more of our free throws and shots, then we would have one the game. There's my John Madden comment.

But we didn't make them, and we still should have won the game. That play at the end of the game where Brolin got DDTed by that ogre really killed us because had he scored, or got his free throws, we could have won the game in regulation. It was a very even game all the way through and Radford played great, but we did too and we got screwed!

[Hold My Own]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

[Hold My Own]

On that same note...I guess tonight shows BF could have blown the dunk under the basket?


So who knows what would have happened

[coolhandluke]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

[rjhenz]

As I said before and I agree with DLP_man about this whole situation. Yes the refs were bad, but I don't think we can sit here and say they cost us the game. If we did want we needed to do, we wouldn't be talking about the refs right now. We had a chance to put Radford away and we let them get back in the game instead of putting the game away. In the 2nd half we had the lead from the 7:31 mark to 34 seconds left except for one spot where Radford took a 1 pt lead for a few seconds. We had our lead up to 6. We let them tie the game up in the last seconds. If KO was any where close as to being on like he was tonight against High Point, we win the game. 3-11 from 3 when chances are that Radford got most of the rebounds to the missed shots, that didn't help. We missed our free throws... and the list goes on. I just feel it is a little bit of an excuse to say the refs cost us the game when their were chances to do a few little things better to win the game ourselves. The refs did make terrible calls, but we can make them our scapegoat. If we did what we needed to do in the first place the refs are never an issue.

Yes, had we made more of our free throws and shots, then we would have one the game. There's my John Madden comment.

But we didn't make them, and we still should have won the game. That play at the end of the game where Brolin got DDTed by that ogre really killed us because had he scored, or got his free throws, we could have won the game in regulation. It was a very even game all the way through and Radford played great, but we did too and we got screwed!

Your right that is a terrible call but your telling me that you are depending on the ref to you win you the game. You go ahead and do that, you'll find yourself in the same situation as the Radford game, sometimes on the winning end and sometimes on the losing. If we got the job done with the Free Throws (which there is no reason why we can't shoot at least 65 to 70%, they are free for one and 2 uncontested shots) we shot 55%, better shot selection we are not in that position. We didn't get the job done when we needed to and we put ourselves in the position where that bad call hurt. I don't disagree with any of you that it wasn't a terrible call but that is not why we lost.

[rjhenz]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

tell me when a teams shoots a 100 % from the line, and show me where I implied that we should shoot a 100% from the line. If we did enough to win why didn't we? the refs? If we did enough to win the refs wouldn't even be an issue. The team played hard and played good, I was proud of them and they did deserved to win every bit as Radford but, we had some things we could of did a little better and we didn't.

[coolhandluke]

As I said before and I agree with DLP_man about this whole situation. Yes the refs were bad, but I don't think we can sit here and say they cost us the game. If we did want we needed to do, we wouldn't be talking about the refs right now. We had a chance to put Radford away and we let them get back in the game instead of putting the game away. In the 2nd half we had the lead from the 7:31 mark to 34 seconds left except for one spot where Radford took a 1 pt lead for a few seconds. We had our lead up to 6. We let them tie the game up in the last seconds. If KO was any where close as to being on like he was tonight against High Point, we win the game. 3-11 from 3 when chances are that Radford got most of the rebounds to the missed shots, that didn't help. We missed our free throws... and the list goes on. I just feel it is a little bit of an excuse to say the refs cost us the game when their were chances to do a few little things better to win the game ourselves. The refs did make terrible calls, but we can make them our scapegoat. If we did what we needed to do in the first place the refs are never an issue.

Yes, had we made more of our free throws and shots, then we would have one the game. There's my John Madden comment.

But we didn't make them, and we still should have won the game. That play at the end of the game where Brolin got DDTed by that ogre really killed us because had he scored, or got his free throws, we could have won the game in regulation. It was a very even game all the way through and Radford played great, but we did too and we got screwed!

Your right that is a terrible call but your telling me that you are depending on the ref to you win you the game. You go ahead and do that, you'll find yourself in the same situation as the Radford game, sometimes on the winning end and sometimes on the losing. If we got the job done with the Free Throws (which there is no reason why we can't shoot at least 65 to 70%, they are free for one and 2 uncontested shots) we shot 55%, better shot selection we are not in that position. We didn't get the job done when we needed to and we put ourselves in the position where that bad call hurt. I don't disagree with any of you that it wasn't a terrible call but that is not why we lost.

I'm not depending on the ref to win us the game. I'm depending on the ref to make the right call in that situation to give us a chance to win the game. Had brolin not been fouled, he might have scored and won the game for us. Had the foul been called he could have made one of his free throws and one the game.

Then again he could have missed that shot or both free throws and then we still go to overtime. Point is, the ref made a call that didn't even give us the opportunity to win the game. That's when this type of thing hurts the most.

[coolhandluke]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

tell me when a teams shoots a 100 % from the line, and show me where I implied that we should shoot a 100% from the line.

That's called hyperbole. He was using that for dramatic effect. We played a heck of a game and put overselves in the position to win. The refs took that away from us.

You must be a ref if you are defending these horrible refs this much!

[rjhenz]

Yes, had we made more of our free throws and shots, then we would have one the game. There's my John Madden comment.

But we didn't make them, and we still should have won the game. That play at the end of the game where Brolin got DDTed by that ogre really killed us because had he scored, or got his free throws, we could have won the game in regulation. It was a very even game all the way through and Radford played great, but we did too and we got screwed!

Your right that is a terrible call but your telling me that you are depending on the ref to you win you the game. You go ahead and do that, you'll find yourself in the same situation as the Radford game, sometimes on the winning end and sometimes on the losing. If we got the job done with the Free Throws (which there is no reason why we can't shoot at least 65 to 70%, they are free for one and 2 uncontested shots) we shot 55%, better shot selection we are not in that position. We didn't get the job done when we needed to and we put ourselves in the position where that bad call hurt. I don't disagree with any of you that it wasn't a terrible call but that is not why we lost.

I'm not depending on the ref to win us the game. I'm depending on the ref to make the right call in that situation to give us a chance to win the game. Had brolin not been fouled, he might have scored and won the game for us. Had the foul been called he could have made one of his free throws and one the game.

Then again he could have missed that shot or both free throws and then we still go to overtime. Point is, the ref made a call that didn't even give us the opportunity to win the game. That's when this type of thing hurts the most.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but as someone who played sports for 17 years, the refs aren't always going to make the right call (Radford game as an example) and yes those calls do hurt and burn... I agree I was ticked about it when I was watching it, I wanted to head butt my tv. With that being said I knew as a player (talking about when I use to play sports) if we (as a team) did what we were suppose to do, the refs didn't have to be an issue. I just feel the same goes for this situation. I just think there were some little things that LU could of did better and that call doesn't matter, they aren't in that situation.

Well... with this all being said, your not going to change your mind and I'm not going to change mine. Time to move on. It was fun going back in forth no hard feeling on my side.

[Hold My Own]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

tell me when a teams shoots a 100 % from the line, and show me where I implied that we should shoot a 100% from the line. If we did enough to win why didn't we? the refs? If we did enough to win the refs wouldn't even be an issue. The team played hard and played good, I was proud of them and they did deserved to win every bit as Radford but, we had some things we could of did a little better and
we didn't.

Ok...so where is the line though...what is the point that you would say "Ok, LU did enough to win but it was taken away"

[rjhenz]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

tell me when a teams shoots a 100 % from the line, and show me where I implied that we should shoot a 100% from the line.

That's called hyperbole. He was using that for dramatic effect. We played a heck of a game and put overselves in the position to win. The refs took that away from us.

You must be a ref if you are defending these horrible refs this much!

The refs were bad, horrible, I've said that already. I'm not defending them. that is a funny thought.

[rjhenz]

I mean sure...we could have shot 100% from the field and stolen the ball every time they inbounded


but seriously, that can be said for anytime any game...fact is we did enough to win and didnt

tell me when a teams shoots a 100 % from the line, and show me where I implied that we should shoot a 100% from the line. If we did enough to win why didn't we? the refs? If we did enough to win the refs wouldn't even be an issue. The team played hard and played good, I was proud of them and they did deserved to win every bit as Radford but, we had some things we could of did a little better and
we didn't.

Ok...so where is the line though...what is the point that you would say "Ok, LU did enough to win but it was taken away"

I don't think we can say it was taken away cause we don't know what would of happen if the call was made, as that was pointed out. We don't know if BF would of hit those free throws. Then we go into saying well we weren't given the chance to win then. If we are going to say that, then that is why I talked about depending on the refs to win. Now we are depending on them to make the right call (which no ref is going to do all the time, and yes sometimes they are horrible calls or horrible no calls) which happened in this case. If as a team you make that one extra play or do this a little different, what happened in the Radford game doesn't become an issue.

We don't have to worry about that call if we take care of our business in certain aspects. That is why I talked about the free throws and other shots and so on... cause those things did take place, they did happen, they could of changed the outcome of the game, but we missed 45 % of the free throws, had some bad shot selection at times. To me that doesn't say LU played bad, they played really good and hard, hard enough to win, but there is always in any game things we could do a little better. I just think free throw are always key in any basketball game that is why I'm focusing on them so much. We hit any one of those 8 we missed and we win the game, those free throws did happen and we did have chances with those.

I'm just have a hard time with blaming the refs for a game. That goes with any sport. It makes me think of when I played sports no matter how bad the refs where, after a game I could go back and see where my play or our teams play could of been better or effected the outcome, regardless of the refs bad calls. Cause there is always some thing you could of do better.

Like I said early, i'm done debating this, the game is over and we can't change it, no one is going to change there opinion or mind. It was fun debating, no hard feelings on my side.

[coolhandluke]

see that's where you are wrong. While I don't want to blame the refs for this loss, I do believe that they made a horrible call that caused the game to go into overtime. The correct call in that situation would have been an intentional or flagrant and we should have had the two free throws and possession of the ball. So because they screwed up the call, it takes the potential winning possession away from us and gives it to Radford.

So a screwed up call by a ref took away the chance to win the game. Would we have capitalized on that and made the free throws or made the shot? Who knows? But the thing is, we never had the chance. The inconsistent calls makes this tough to swallow. If they called an intentional on Seth in that overtime period, then how is this play with Brolin not an intentional? You have to call it the same both ways.

I understand the argument that we should have made our free throws, but even when though we had an off night, we hung in there and fought hard and in the end we put ourselves in the position to win the game and the ref just absolutely blew a call that he was right on top of and single handedly caused the last possession to go to Radford and consequently overtime. Then in overtime two starters fouled out and we were forced to play Tyler Baker and Johnny Stephene, who are really good, but struggling with confidence issues right now. In that situation, we were at a disadvantage and therefor lost the game in the second OT.

And we also have to remember that Radford struggled from the line and missed shots too. If Radford had shot really well from the line and had a much better shooting percentage than us, then yes, your argument is a good one. But we both had similar numbers and that tells you that we did enough to put ourselves in position to win the game, and we had that stripped away from us.

[coolhandluke]

I understand the argument that we should have made our free throws, but even when though we had an off night, we hung in there and fought hard and in the end we put ourselves in the position to win the game and the ref just absolutely blew a call that he was right on top of and single handedly caused the last possession to go to Radford and consequently overtime. Then in overtime two starters fouled out and we were forced to play Tyler Baker and Johnny Stephene, who are really good, but struggling with confidence issues right now. In that situation, we were at a disadvantage and therefor lost the game in the second OT.
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I think this is the best run on sentence ever. haha. But I don't really care about being grammatically correct right now! Its late.

[jcmanson]

Are we STILL talking about this?!

[LCA&LU Mom]

Are we STILL talking about this?!

• let.
  it.
  go.

["R" i "]

[EDIT] This is the guy that had the play on Brolin at the end of regulation. He has had one other game for us. It was the Winthrop loss. I am in no way blaming this guy, just sayin it gives me reason not to like him even more, as a fan.

If you watch the play over, he was so "straight lined" (brolin was coming directly at him), you are supposed to take a step back so you can actually see the foot hit the line. OR NOT HIT THE LINE.

Way to go. I am sure the commsioner of officials for the big south, Nolan Fine, will have something to say. He has only worked 4 games in the Big South and 14 NCAA I games. I suggest middle school games. No replays or Video Camaras.

[TIMSCAR20]

As much as I think this was a bad call, i don't think we should be calling this guy out in public. Just my opinion but this is this guy's living.

[Hold My Own]

Believe it or not we're going to see them again....if we're lucky....I say that b/c this crew is already scheduled to do the Championship game...hopefully that changes but as of right now they are in the books